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Sigh ... WW is finally nerfed to the ground for PvE :( Makes no sense to transform.
Lisutaris
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Bleeding ticks were awful, too strong in PvP and also messed up because of the refresh.... yeah, we can agree on that....
... But now WW does 10-20% less dmg than before.... (depends on sets and playstyle)
From the PvE perspective ... why should I even transform ??? Before Elsweyr... it was somehow balanced and still fun (DPS wise).
Increase the ww bleed BIG TIME or adjust the other dmg sources. Bleeding dmg got nerfed ~ -50% (combat metrics ftw), and NOTHING... really NOTHING buffed?
Before any1 tells me to stop whining, because ww can selfheal and got better resistances ... A good DD is way more tanky and supporting (only him/herself) in terms of selfhealing/buffing.
I don't it to be overpowered ... but ... maybe useful
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... But now WW does 10-20% less dmg than before.... (depends on sets and playstyle)
From the PvE perspective ... why should I even transform ??? Before Elsweyr... it was somehow balanced and still fun (DPS wise).
Increase the ww bleed BIG TIME or adjust the other dmg sources. Bleeding dmg got nerfed ~ -50% (combat metrics ftw), and NOTHING... really NOTHING buffed?
Before any1 tells me to stop whining, because ww can selfheal and got better resistances ... A good DD is way more tanky and supporting (only him/herself) in terms of selfhealing/buffing.
I don't it to be overpowered ... but ... maybe useful
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Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Of course it screwed over PvE, they nearly always do. But all hail the mighty PvP, right? That's apparently all that matters.63 -
sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭This doesn't "screw" anyone, yes your number are mildly lower but that doesn't change whether or not you can complete any content. NPCs are still going to do the same preprogrammed mechanics that you'll have to react to, and you'll still with persistence and grit be able to kill them.10 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭50k light attack spam. Guess it's time to learn a proper rotation now...Edited by mairwen85 on May 20, 2019 5:01PM26 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭This doesn't "screw" anyone, yes your number are mildly lower but that doesn't change whether or not you can complete any content. NPCs are still going to do the same preprogrammed mechanics that you'll have to react to, and you'll still with persistence and grit be able to kill them.
Ofc, but you can also finish VMA with the broom....
The problem is ... why should I do it? Do I want to transform to WW because i benefit from it? Well, it is an ULTIMATE ability, so yes... would be cool xD.
If it's just for RP or looking like a doggo... there's a section for skins ^^'
Cheese would be nice to have yea, as a WW player! I fully agree... it's whining, because I feel very very sad about it. There is only one positive thing about it.... my cat can be a cat instead of a dog.... better immersion with elsweyr ... woho
(main, and even before Wolfhunter high dps was possible, if you accept to get some incoming dmg as well... would call that fair and sqaure in terms of gameplay). 5 -
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Yes! I think this hits it directly on the head. This is a good change imo. More complicated rotations should award greater dps. Good move!7 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »
Yes! I think this hits it directly on the head. This is a good change imo. More complicated rotations should award greater dps. Good move!
Would not call less than 40k top tier... Also, those high numbers would be relequen + blood moon on a target dummy (maybe even molag kena?). In an actual fight with some movement and changing focus-targets.... show me parse or it never happened ^^
Those numbers also sound like BIS traits and everything in golden... just saying.Edited by Lisutaris on May 20, 2019 5:13PM9 -
Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Werewolf can still pull 50k dps on a 6 milCaius
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Why are you trying to put caveats on parses?
Of course gold and bis traits, who the hell dps's without that now? Its not week1 release of game!
Its called min/maxing not just below maxing because blah blah blah.
WW was over performing pve and pvp, to just stand there and hit 50k with LA spam is stupid!
Correct move, if you don't understand why they nerfed it then you don't understand the game, people who know how to use it will still make it perform if they want to. (Just like the rest of the nerfed stuff).13 -
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you could make a simple rule like any unblockable or burst damage is reduced in pvp by 25% or something like that1 -
Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
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Here is an optimized Werewolf set up for light attack spam, Kena/Rele/Blood moon the only ability used is Claws weaved in when duration expires not during a Blood moon proc.
Here is the same set up utilizing howl weaving when Kena proc is up and Blood moon proc is down. Notice a boost in dps.
Here we completely drop Blood moon for essence thief, this set will increase all damage while restoring extra stamina for increased weaving of howls. As you can see Weaving abilities on a werewolf is not a bad idea.
Caius
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I 100% agree on that, but I will say as someone who doesn't play WW does it even HAVE a rotation even in Trials gear? As far as I knew they were burst kings with garbage sustain and outside of the bleed not stellar DOTs.2 -
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Here is the 6 mil dummyCaius
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ccmedaddy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Chrlynsch Thanks for sharing your parses. How does the howl weaving rotation work exactly? Do you only spam howl while kena is up?Edited by ccmedaddy on May 20, 2019 5:49PM0 -
Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Chrlynsch Thanks for sharing your parses. How does the howl weaving rotation work exactly? Do you only spam howl while kena is up?
Howls are worked in while Kena is up and Bloodmoon is on cooldown.Caius
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Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭@Chrlynsch Thanks for sharing your parses. How does the howl weaving rotation work exactly? Do you only spam howl while kena is up?
Howls are worked in while Kena is up and Bloodmoon is on cooldown.
actual screens pls ^^
more now, less 3weeks ago
Would be nice to not spread false information. I can also post my trillion points from my AA run 3-4 years ago xDEdited by Lisutaris on May 20, 2019 6:05PM1 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭
*shrug* still does not count
we are not on pts nor in the pts forums.
No player who does not want to be a burden for their grp, would use bloodmoon in a trial grp. Ok, those never ressing, no target switching and not moving maybe.... but ... you get my point.Edited by Lisutaris on May 20, 2019 6:09PM0 -
crazywolfpusher✭✭✭Bleed nerf is big yeah but overall WW still strong for a 1 bar LA build.
Pack Leader should drop Thaumaturge to 0 and focus only on direct damage.
Weave Howl when Bloodmoon is on CD.
When BM procs just spam LA.
And ofc Relequen is a must have for any stam variation.
I dont think WW need more damage but maybe extra group utility and some kind of command for the pets like the new Daedric Pray.
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well what I really was hoping for is this (from PTS):
- Made several changes to “Gap Closer” abilities
- Removed all minimum ranges from these abilities
^ This means that you can use WW Punce close to your enemy. Why it is important ? Well.. It almost... ALMOST makes WW PvE Tank possible to do. Almost because Tormentor set:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Charge ability, you gain 3642 Physical and Spell Resistance and taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds.
^ Is currently bugged and does not proc from any Charge ability. So close, yet so far away 2 -
MaleAmazon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Increase the ww bleed BIG TIME or adjust the other dmg sources. Bleeding dmg got nerfed ~ -50% (combat metrics ftw), and NOTHING... really NOTHING buffed?
"Infectious Claws: Increased the damage of the initial hit of this ability and its morphs by approximately 36% to put it in line with our PBAoE standards."
And essence thief seems to be most usable on werewolf.Braindead LA rotation should not give top tier DPS in PvE.
Preset rotation is not exactly rocket science either. Werewolf is simpler than 2-bar play, but also more limited. The light attack spam wasn´t just because of the DPS - it was because you needed to conserve stamina for break free and roll... strafe, or whatever you would call it.
And werewolf seems reasonably fine. Kena, Chudan, Blood Moon, mixing things up from my other characters... I´ll keep mine.3 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭crazywolfpusher wrote: »Bleed nerf is big yeah but overall WW still strong for a 1 bar LA build.
Pack Leader should drop Thaumaturge to 0 and focus only on direct damage.
Weave Howl when Bloodmoon is on CD.
When BM procs just spam LA.
And ofc Relequen is a must have for any stam variation.
I dont think WW need more damage but maybe extra group utility and some kind of command for the pets like the new Daedric Pray.
Would make it more useful. Therefore thumbs up and approval . Sets like Bloodmoon shouldn't even exist, like they are now. It is strong, but reduces the utility for the grp even more... and ppl forget how to ressurect or do something else as ww instead of light attacks.... Heck, i love ww but how awesome would it be for the skills to be of more use and mixing them with LA and HA without losing massive dps.
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Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
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*shrug* still does not count we are not on pts nor in the pts forums.
No player who does not want to be a burden for their grp, would use bloodmoon in a trial grp. Ok, those never ressing, no target switching and not moving maybe.... but ... you get my point.
Lol, ok budCaius
Pack Leader of Scourge Alliance- First Fang of Hircine, The Beast of Bruma
PC NA7
