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Coming back after a long while and I need some advice.
Well I did 2 more threads like this in the past since I constantly leave the game and then come back when I am bored,but I don't want that to happen again,I want to bond with the character I will create.
So coming to the "need advice" part:
I want to create full damage based solo-play character and I heard about the race changes,the race should be compatible with my class.
I like high elves but I can be anything if that makes my character even more powerful.
I prefer stamina builds over magicka and I generally hate tanks and supportive roles.
I played nightblade for a long time and that kind of play bores me,for now I am thinking StamDK or something in those lines
PS:My character is most likely going to be a vampire.
So coming to the "need advice" part:
I want to create full damage based solo-play character and I heard about the race changes,the race should be compatible with my class.
I like high elves but I can be anything if that makes my character even more powerful.
I prefer stamina builds over magicka and I generally hate tanks and supportive roles.
I played nightblade for a long time and that kind of play bores me,for now I am thinking StamDK or something in those lines
PS:My character is most likely going to be a vampire.
"I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a
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Veesk✭✭✭✭At the end of the day it’s really about following your gut and playing what appeals to you, whatever you think is fun. High Elves are more suited for magicka builds, but that doesn’t mean you can’t make it work if that is your favorite. Go for stamdk if you think it looks fun.1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StamDK is one of my favourite stamina classes, go for it.
As for the race i picked a bosmer and works really well.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want to do solo content, i.e. questing, it really doesn't matter what race/class combo you choose. That starts to matter if you do PVP or top tier PVE.
I adore my Breton Stam Sorc for DPS and she obliterates quest content, even though she's laughably non-meta.
StamDK is fun, if somewhat limited in stam class skills. I liked the DOTs, but the rest was the usual DW/bow build for me.
If you want a stamina build that can be self-sufficient for questing without using PVP skills or magicka class skill, Stam Warden has the most variety in terms of stam skills.
When it comes to vampire...my experience is that vampire was better for Mag characters, while werewolf was much better on a stam character, but that may just be me.
Edited: I come back to this thread to discover the OP wanted to know a build for PVP and didn't say so.
OP, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish entirely.
For PVP, yeah, you want your race to match your build for best results. Altmer are good for magicka builds because of their stamina return passive, but if you prefer Stamina builds, I would lean towards using a Redguard, Orc, or Dunmer. I would not recommend an Altmer Stam build.
Stamblades and Stam Wardens are your best bet for stamina builds, right now, and assuming you like the playstyle. The others can potentially be devastating, but they take more effort to make work well. I personally prefer Stam Warden because its much, much more well-rounded and adaptable to the variety of situations I'm likely to find as I play in Cyrodiil. Stam Warden also seems very easy to fit into a decent group in Battlegrounds.
But I find it comes down to which playstyle you prefer, and as others have said, no class or build is going to make you great at solo play unless you put the effort in with that class to become great at solo play.Edited by VaranisArano on May 19, 2019 12:59PM1 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well I did 2 more threads like this in the past since I constantly leave the game and then come back when I am bored,but I don't want that to happen again,I want to bond with the character I will create.
So coming to the "need advice" part:
I want to create full damage based solo-play character and I heard about the race changes,the race should be compatible with my class.
I like high elves but I can be anything if that makes my character even more powerful.
I prefer stamina builds over magicka and I generally hate tanks and supportive roles.
I played nightblade for a long time and that kind of play bores me,for now I am thinking StamDK or something in those lines
PS:My character is most likely going to be a vampire.
Then go Stamplar, Wood elf with the Kristofereso GHOST build.
Hig burst
Hig mobility
Vampire
Loads of fun
But keep in mind tgat is not a meta build and is far from easy to use, but once you get used is the best build i've ever played period.
Ceck his youtube for more but basically the build is
2 Slimecraw (minor brutality bonus)
5 Griphon (10% bonus damage to crit and minor expedition on attack without cooldown)
5 Swordsinger (+400 something bonus damage to 2h)
1 Random bow with stamina recovery on back bar (or better the master bow if you have it)
You can easy reach 6k WD mantaining a really hig mobility
The build requires advanced skills in Animation Cancel but in a couple of weeks you can learn everything and melt everything.
https://youtu.be/iizdMXnf6fQ
Just to add something... Thus build is so anti-meta that i believe i'm the only one using it in Vivec PC EU.
So far i've not seen anyone with the griphon bonus on the field.Edited by Tonnopesce on May 18, 2019 6:33PMSignature2 -
Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here."I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.Edited by coop500 on May 18, 2019 6:53PMHoping for more playable races4 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you want to PvP on PC EU Vivec (the 30-day CP campaign), at prime time, my advice is: Don't come back. The lag has gotten worse over the past months and now there are frequent disconnections. Save yourself the aggravation and play a different game.0 -
ThanatosXR✭✭✭Go to the store
Pick a box that says Call of Duty
???
Profit
Sure as hell dont need more dps2 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
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Thanatos, is that you? No danger. If he goes solo stam DK, he'll end up half a tank, like Bubosh.ThanatosXR wrote: »Go to the store
Pick a box that says Call of Duty
???
Profit
Sure as hell dont need more dps0 -
This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls."I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls.
I attempted to give honest advice but if you rather just call me a troll then so be it. No class will hold your hand and make you great without putting in the effort.Hoping for more playable races10 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls.
Just wow.
Anyway, you can be better than 80% of the players with any class if you put enough effort.2 -
This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls.
I attempted to give honest advice but if you rather just call me a troll then so be it. No class will hold your hand and make you great without putting in the effort.
First off I wasn't calling you a troll specifically I was talking about the general community which includes you,and my true question is,which class will output the most damage if you "put real effort" to it,and don't even think about saying that all classes are equal and can do the same damage if played right bla bla etc. we both know that is total bs."I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
GusTheWizard✭✭✭✭If you’re going for Stam, nightblade and warden are the best maybe even necro not sure yet.
For magic, nightblade, Templar and sorc are all pretty much in line.1 -
GusTheWizard wrote: »If you’re going for Stam, nightblade and warden are the best maybe even necro not sure yet.
For magic, nightblade, Templar and sorc are all pretty much in line.
Finally a good answer,I never heard of warden being that strong though,are you sure about that?"I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭GusTheWizard wrote: »If you’re going for Stam, nightblade and warden are the best maybe even necro not sure yet.
For magic, nightblade, Templar and sorc are all pretty much in line.
Finally a good answer,I never heard of warden being that strong though,are you sure about that?
Picky, aren't you?
My advice is, that instead of asking for the shortcut, you just go ahead and follow your gut and put in the hard yards, like everyone else has.
"i was too distracted to learn and now I want to be the best player evah, so show me how " really doesn't cut it here.
*** off.9 -
Androconium wrote: »GusTheWizard wrote: »If you’re going for Stam, nightblade and warden are the best maybe even necro not sure yet.
For magic, nightblade, Templar and sorc are all pretty much in line.
Finally a good answer,I never heard of warden being that strong though,are you sure about that?
Picky, aren't you?
My advice is, that instead of asking for the shortcut, you just go ahead and follow your gut and put in the hard yards, like everyone else has.
"i was too distracted to learn and now I want to be the best player evah, so show me how " really doesn't cut it here.
*** off.
Oh I do have "experiences" as you call it,getting destroyed by stamblades and magsorcs in PvP with same gear as me or not having the best/good damage on trials etc. ,and following your "gut" seems primitive to my eyes,I can just collect all of others' experiences and make a good character for myself.Your advice is a bad one and I don't want to waste time trying all of the classes."I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
fred4✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you truly want to play solo, not small-scale, have high damage and decent survivability, go magsorc. Slot one pet, the twilight. Combine Pirate Skeleton with Necropotence and either Bright Throat or Armor Master. The latter gives you the option to use a Master destro front bar. For a full damage spec use Zaan or possibly Skoria.
ZOS' attempts at balancing sorc have resulted in that class being as strong as ever, but have nerfed magblade survivability outside of cloak (assuming you use Cloak and not the tanking morph). You can't build a magblade that combines similar damage, sustain AND healing / tankiness, IMO. Nothing against magblade - I play one - but for open world you end up making more compromises than on sorc. Cloak is strong, but in a straight up fight against a sorc using a detection potion, the sorc is IMO likely to win and, perhaps, easier to play.
Magicka templar is damn strong in duels. Build with Pirate Skeleton, 2 light armor damage sets and Protective jewelry. No shields, but this setup feels tanky on magplar, while their unbuffed Sweeps tooltip is still 12K. Typical setups include Amber Plasm + Overwhelming Surge front bar + vMA resto back bar (me). Another variation: Spinner + Spell Strategist back bar + weapon set lightning staff front bar (Master, vMA, ...). Another nifty setup includes being a vampire and using both Mist Form and Meditate (Psijic skill), combined with the Cyrodiil's Light set. Search Phalanx build on YouTube.
Magicka templar pretty much neutralises a magsorc in a duel by having strong damage, while they just stick Total Dark on the pet, which heals the templar. The problem, in open world, is IMO that they are sitting ducks. As a 1vXer you will very likely be forced to depend on Mist Form, although the revised Race Against Time skill mitigates that a little. Still, I would only recommend templars for (small) group play. By the way, J-Beam was nerfed, but is now buffed again, and quite strong.
Magden is also strong, just underrated. Like sorc, it lends itself to a magicka stacking Necropotence build. It's quite easy to get a magden to 50K+ magicka, in CP, with good sustain (at least on a Breton), and 25K+ HP. This means Dampen is a decent shield. Living Trellis is a very good healing skill that synergises well with shields. The problem with magden is that it lacks an execute, outside the cumbersome bear. Lacking Streak and Cloak it is, IMO, also a sitting duck, like templar, and thus more suited to groups.
Ice control builds are a thing and a particular speciality of warden. It's ice ulti catches many a nightblade. Ice Blockade is not uncommon on magden and occasionally used by magplars and mag DKs. This may change on Monday, though, with the changes to mobility in Elsweyr.
I don't play mag DKs.
Moving on to stamina, stamblade has been really strong for open world solo play. Since Snipe had recently been buffed, I see even many melee magblades doing combos with Snipe, in addition to Poison Injection, before they move into melee range. This will all change in Elsweyr, as stamblades will be heavily altered. Who knows how they will perform then.
Stamden is regarded by many as the strongest all round stamina class, maybe not exactly for soloing, but certainly in small groups. Their mobility isn't the best, but they have everything else. Major Fracture. Burst from Shalks. AOE damage. A burst heal, allowing them to choose Forward Momentum, instead of Rally. Warden, as a whole, is a tanky class, due to healing from passives and certain buff skills. They also get permanent Minor Protection and Major Protection from ice ult.
I still see many stam DKs. The Deadly Strike set was recently changed, which suits DKs. Still wouldn't rate them as top damage dealers, though. Their playstyles can vary, but 1H+S / 2H is probably typical. Tanky Reverb Bash defile builds are common.
Stamsorc kind of is what it is. It's stamina morphs are all really strong skills, but few, thus limiting build variety. The Implosion passive was reworked. They lack burst, unless you are comfortable with a Dizzying Swing build. Speed builds are still viable and, of course they have streak. I don't play mine much. My overall impression - more so from reading - is that they are not top tier. One thing that's interesting is the removal of gap closer minimum distances, in Elsweyr, which will allow stamsorc to have guaranteed heals by spamming Crit Rush.
Stamplar is another class I know little about. Jabs damage is strong, they have a burst skill (Power of the Light), and of course the cleanse. I went out with Troll King, Steadfast Hero and Bone Pirate (medium build) and was pleasantly surprised by the combination of tankiness and damage. This class is a speciality of Kristofer ESO's, on YouTube, who plays squishy burst / mobility builds WITHOUT Jabs or any true spammable.Edited by fred4 on May 18, 2019 10:44PM1 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Androconium wrote: »GusTheWizard wrote: »If you’re going for Stam, nightblade and warden are the best maybe even necro not sure yet.
For magic, nightblade, Templar and sorc are all pretty much in line.
Finally a good answer,I never heard of warden being that strong though,are you sure about that?
Picky, aren't you?
My advice is, that instead of asking for the shortcut, you just go ahead and follow your gut and put in the hard yards, like everyone else has.
"i was too distracted to learn and now I want to be the best player evah, so show me how " really doesn't cut it here.
*** off.
Oh I do have "experiences" as you call it,getting destroyed by stamblades and magsorcs in PvP with same gear as me or not having the best/good damage on trials etc. ,and following your "gut" seems primitive to my eyes,I can just collect all of others' experiences and make a good character for myself.Your advice is a bad one and I don't want to waste time trying all of the classes.
I didn't call anything "experiences".
You're too lazy to learn for yourself.
Being to lazy to read won't help you.
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coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls.
I attempted to give honest advice but if you rather just call me a troll then so be it. No class will hold your hand and make you great without putting in the effort.
First off I wasn't calling you a troll specifically I was talking about the general community which includes you,and my true question is,which class will output the most damage if you "put real effort" to it,and don't even think about saying that all classes are equal and can do the same damage if played right bla bla etc. we both know that is total bs.
PVP isn't about JUST damage, that's your biggest issue, you can't deal damage if you're dead.Hoping for more playable races3 -
Imza✭✭✭✭if you want an "exact" answer - ask an "exact" question.
it took me half way down the page to understand what you wanted.... don't blame everyone for not answering your question when you aren't asking for what you really want.8 -
If you truly want to play solo, not small-scale, have high damage and decent survivability, go magsorc. Slot one pet, the twilight. Combine Pirate Skeleton with Necropotence and either Bright Throat or Armor Master. The latter gives you the option to use a Master destro front bar. For a full damage spec use Zaan or possibly Skoria.
ZOS' attempts at balancing sorc have resulted in that class being as strong as ever, but have nerfed magblade survivability outside of cloak (assuming you use Cloak and not the tanking morph). You can't build a magblade that combines similar damage, sustain AND healing / tankiness, IMO. Nothing against magblade - I play one - but for open world you end up making more compromises than on sorc. Cloak is strong, but in a straight up fight against a sorc using a detection potion, the sorc is IMO likely to win and, perhaps, easier to play.
Magicka templar is damn strong in duels. Build with Pirate Skeleton, 2 light armor damage sets and Protective jewelry. No shields, but this setup feels tanky on magplar, while their unbuffed Sweeps tooltip is still 12K. Typical setups include Amber Plasm + Overwhelming Surge front bar + vMA resto back bar (me). Another variation: Spinner + Spell Strategist back bar + weapon set lightning staff front bar (Master, vMA, ...). Another nifty setup includes being a vampire and using both Mist Form and Meditate (Psijic skill), combined with the Cyrodiil's Light set. Search Phalanx build on YouTube.
Magicka templar pretty much neutralises a magsorc in a duel by having strong damage, while they just stick Total Dark on the pet, which heals the templar. The problem, in open world, is IMO that they are sitting ducks. As a 1vXer you will very likely be forced to depend on Mist Form, although the revised Race Against Time skill mitigates that a little. Still, I would only recommend templars for (small) group play. By the way, J-Beam was nerfed, but is now buffed again, and quite strong.
Magden is also strong, just underrated. Like sorc, it lends itself to a magicka stacking Necropotence build. It's quite easy to get a magden to 50K+ magicka, in CP, with good sustain (at least on a Breton), and 25K+ HP. This means Dampen is a decent shield. Living Trellis is a very good healing skill that synergises well with shields. The problem with magden is that it lacks an execute, outside the cumbersome bear. Lacking Streak and Cloak it is, IMO, also a sitting duck, like templar, and thus more suited to groups.
Ice control builds are a thing and a particular speciality of warden. It's ice ulti catches many a nightblade. Ice Blockade is not uncommon on magden and occasionally used by magplars and mag DKs. This may change on Monday, though, with the changes to mobility in Elsweyr.
I don't play mag DKs.
Moving on to stamina, stamblade has been really strong for open world solo play. Since Snipe had recently been buffed, I see even many melee magblades doing combos with Snipe, in addition to Poison Injection, before they move into melee range. This will all change in Elsweyr, as stamblades will be heavily altered. Who knows how they will perform then.
Stamden is regarded by many as the strongest all round stamina class, maybe not exactly for soloing, but certainly in small groups. Their mobility isn't the best, but they have everything else. Major Fracture. Burst from Shalks. AOE damage. A burst heal, allowing them to choose Forward Momentum, instead of Rally. Warden, as a whole, is a tanky class, due to healing from passives and certain buff skills. They also get permanent Minor Protection and Major Protection from ice ult.
I still see many stam DKs. The Deadly Strike set was recently changed, which suits DKs. Still wouldn't rate them as top damage dealers, though. Their playstyles can vary, but 1H+S / 2H is probably typical. Tanky Reverb Bash defile builds are common.
Stamsorc kind of is what it is. It's stamina morphs are all really strong skills, but few, thus limiting build variety. The Implosion passive was reworked. They lack burst, unless you are comfortable with a Dizzying Swing build. Speed builds are still viable and, of course they have streak. I don't play mine much. My overall impression - more so from reading - is that they are not top tier. One thing that's interesting is the removal of gap closer minimum distances, in Elsweyr, which will allow stamsorc to have guaranteed heals by spamming Crit Rush.
Stamplar is another class I know little about. Jabs damage is strong, they have a burst skill (Power of the Light), and of course the cleanse. I went out with Troll King, Steadfast Hero and Bone Pirate (medium build) and was pleasantly surprised by the combination of tankiness and damage. This class is a speciality of Kristofer ESO's, on YouTube, who plays squishy burst / mobility builds WITHOUT Jabs or any true spammable.
The answer I wanted[edited to remove baiting comment]Edited by ZOS_RikardD on May 19, 2019 6:05PM"I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
if you want an "exact" answer - ask an "exact" question.
it took me half way down the page to understand what you wanted.... don't blame everyone for not answering your question when you aren't asking for what you really want.
"I want to create full damage based solo-play character."
"I prefer stamina builds over magicka and I generally hate tanks and supportive roles."
[edited to remove baiting commentary]Edited by ZOS_RikardD on May 19, 2019 5:05PM"I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a1 -
This community is not helping at all.Some of you misunderstood my statement when I said solo-play I want to be the best of the best and destroy people in pvp so "follow your gut" does not apply here.
if you wanna be 'best of the best' that's not gonna happen, everyone dies in PVP. We can tell you a million great builds but player skill comes into play more often than not. Practice makes perfect, as they say and that is never more true than right now.
No matter how good a player is though, one must expect to die regardless, either from a better player, bad luck, lag, or just your own human error.
Being better than %80 players will do just fine,in my time magsorcs were gods now I'm asking which class is simply better at dps thats all and it is not a hard question to answer but this community turned out to be trolls.
I attempted to give honest advice but if you rather just call me a troll then so be it. No class will hold your hand and make you great without putting in the effort.
First off I wasn't calling you a troll specifically I was talking about the general community which includes you,and my true question is,which class will output the most damage if you "put real effort" to it,and don't even think about saying that all classes are equal and can do the same damage if played right bla bla etc. we both know that is total bs.
PVP isn't about JUST damage, that's your biggest issue, you can't deal damage if you're dead.
They can't deal damage to me if they're dead also,your logic is weak."I swear to you gentlemen, that to be overly conscious is a sickness, a real, thorough sickness."
-Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky
"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?"
-Albert Einstein
“Hell isn't a fire pit but a museum of regrets.”
-Exurb1a0 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well this thread was fun, now I wonder when a mod is gonna do something about the OP being a total troll and telling people to 'go to hell' (and worse comments TBH) just for not saying what he wanted to hear?Hoping for more playable races3 -
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✭✭✭Well I did 2 more threads like this in the past since I constantly leave the game and then come back when I am bored,but I don't want that to happen again,I want to bond with the character I will create.
So coming to the "need advice" part:
I want to create full damage based solo-play character and I heard about the race changes,the race should be compatible with my class.
I like high elves but I can be anything if that makes my character even more powerful.
I prefer stamina builds over magicka and I generally hate tanks and supportive roles.
I played nightblade for a long time and that kind of play bores me,for now I am thinking StamDK or something in those lines
PS:My character is most likely going to be a vampire.
Check out Xynode builds I just found out about his site a few days ago and he is very thorough, lots of good reviews from Forums
His Easy Sorc build sounds like what you are looking for High Elf - Vampire
It's what I just started a new toon on.
EDIT: Missed the part about yu wanting stamina - still, he should have some great build ideas for what you want
Edited by barney2525 on May 19, 2019 5:54AM0 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you truly want to play solo, not small-scale, have high damage and decent survivability, go magsorc. Slot one pet, the twilight. Combine Pirate Skeleton with Necropotence and either Bright Throat or Armor Master. The latter gives you the option to use a Master destro front bar. For a full damage spec use Zaan or possibly Skoria.
ZOS' attempts at balancing sorc have resulted in that class being as strong as ever, but have nerfed magblade survivability outside of cloak (assuming you use Cloak and not the tanking morph). You can't build a magblade that combines similar damage, sustain AND healing / tankiness, IMO. Nothing against magblade - I play one - but for open world you end up making more compromises than on sorc. Cloak is strong, but in a straight up fight against a sorc using a detection potion, the sorc is IMO likely to win and, perhaps, easier to play.
Magicka templar is damn strong in duels. Build with Pirate Skeleton, 2 light armor damage sets and Protective jewelry. No shields, but this setup feels tanky on magplar, while their unbuffed Sweeps tooltip is still 12K. Typical setups include Amber Plasm + Overwhelming Surge front bar + vMA resto back bar (me). Another variation: Spinner + Spell Strategist back bar + weapon set lightning staff front bar (Master, vMA, ...). Another nifty setup includes being a vampire and using both Mist Form and Meditate (Psijic skill), combined with the Cyrodiil's Light set. Search Phalanx build on YouTube.
Magicka templar pretty much neutralises a magsorc in a duel by having strong damage, while they just stick Total Dark on the pet, which heals the templar. The problem, in open world, is IMO that they are sitting ducks. As a 1vXer you will very likely be forced to depend on Mist Form, although the revised Race Against Time skill mitigates that a little. Still, I would only recommend templars for (small) group play. By the way, J-Beam was nerfed, but is now buffed again, and quite strong.
Magden is also strong, just underrated. Like sorc, it lends itself to a magicka stacking Necropotence build. It's quite easy to get a magden to 50K+ magicka, in CP, with good sustain (at least on a Breton), and 25K+ HP. This means Dampen is a decent shield. Living Trellis is a very good healing skill that synergises well with shields. The problem with magden is that it lacks an execute, outside the cumbersome bear. Lacking Streak and Cloak it is, IMO, also a sitting duck, like templar, and thus more suited to groups.
Ice control builds are a thing and a particular speciality of warden. It's ice ulti catches many a nightblade. Ice Blockade is not uncommon on magden and occasionally used by magplars and mag DKs. This may change on Monday, though, with the changes to mobility in Elsweyr.
I don't play mag DKs.
Moving on to stamina, stamblade has been really strong for open world solo play. Since Snipe had recently been buffed, I see even many melee magblades doing combos with Snipe, in addition to Poison Injection, before they move into melee range. This will all change in Elsweyr, as stamblades will be heavily altered. Who knows how they will perform then.
Stamden is regarded by many as the strongest all round stamina class, maybe not exactly for soloing, but certainly in small groups. Their mobility isn't the best, but they have everything else. Major Fracture. Burst from Shalks. AOE damage. A burst heal, allowing them to choose Forward Momentum, instead of Rally. Warden, as a whole, is a tanky class, due to healing from passives and certain buff skills. They also get permanent Minor Protection and Major Protection from ice ult.
I still see many stam DKs. The Deadly Strike set was recently changed, which suits DKs. Still wouldn't rate them as top damage dealers, though. Their playstyles can vary, but 1H+S / 2H is probably typical. Tanky Reverb Bash defile builds are common.
Stamsorc kind of is what it is. It's stamina morphs are all really strong skills, but few, thus limiting build variety. The Implosion passive was reworked. They lack burst, unless you are comfortable with a Dizzying Swing build. Speed builds are still viable and, of course they have streak. I don't play mine much. My overall impression - more so from reading - is that they are not top tier. One thing that's interesting is the removal of gap closer minimum distances, in Elsweyr, which will allow stamsorc to have guaranteed heals by spamming Crit Rush.
Stamplar is another class I know little about. Jabs damage is strong, they have a burst skill (Power of the Light), and of course the cleanse. I went out with Troll King, Steadfast Hero and Bone Pirate (medium build) and was pleasantly surprised by the combination of tankiness and damage. This class is a speciality of Kristofer ESO's, on YouTube, who plays squishy burst / mobility builds WITHOUT Jabs or any true spammable.
The answer I wanted,the others can go to hell.
Wow dude...
Pretty rude.
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Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you truly want to play solo, not small-scale, have high damage and decent survivability, go magsorc. Slot one pet, the twilight. Combine Pirate Skeleton with Necropotence and either Bright Throat or Armor Master. The latter gives you the option to use a Master destro front bar. For a full damage spec use Zaan or possibly Skoria.
ZOS' attempts at balancing sorc have resulted in that class being as strong as ever, but have nerfed magblade survivability outside of cloak (assuming you use Cloak and not the tanking morph). You can't build a magblade that combines similar damage, sustain AND healing / tankiness, IMO. Nothing against magblade - I play one - but for open world you end up making more compromises than on sorc. Cloak is strong, but in a straight up fight against a sorc using a detection potion, the sorc is IMO likely to win and, perhaps, easier to play.
Magicka templar is damn strong in duels. Build with Pirate Skeleton, 2 light armor damage sets and Protective jewelry. No shields, but this setup feels tanky on magplar, while their unbuffed Sweeps tooltip is still 12K. Typical setups include Amber Plasm + Overwhelming Surge front bar + vMA resto back bar (me). Another variation: Spinner + Spell Strategist back bar + weapon set lightning staff front bar (Master, vMA, ...). Another nifty setup includes being a vampire and using both Mist Form and Meditate (Psijic skill), combined with the Cyrodiil's Light set. Search Phalanx build on YouTube.
Magicka templar pretty much neutralises a magsorc in a duel by having strong damage, while they just stick Total Dark on the pet, which heals the templar. The problem, in open world, is IMO that they are sitting ducks. As a 1vXer you will very likely be forced to depend on Mist Form, although the revised Race Against Time skill mitigates that a little. Still, I would only recommend templars for (small) group play. By the way, J-Beam was nerfed, but is now buffed again, and quite strong.
Magden is also strong, just underrated. Like sorc, it lends itself to a magicka stacking Necropotence build. It's quite easy to get a magden to 50K+ magicka, in CP, with good sustain (at least on a Breton), and 25K+ HP. This means Dampen is a decent shield. Living Trellis is a very good healing skill that synergises well with shields. The problem with magden is that it lacks an execute, outside the cumbersome bear. Lacking Streak and Cloak it is, IMO, also a sitting duck, like templar, and thus more suited to groups.
Ice control builds are a thing and a particular speciality of warden. It's ice ulti catches many a nightblade. Ice Blockade is not uncommon on magden and occasionally used by magplars and mag DKs. This may change on Monday, though, with the changes to mobility in Elsweyr.
I don't play mag DKs.
Moving on to stamina, stamblade has been really strong for open world solo play. Since Snipe had recently been buffed, I see even many melee magblades doing combos with Snipe, in addition to Poison Injection, before they move into melee range. This will all change in Elsweyr, as stamblades will be heavily altered. Who knows how they will perform then.
Stamden is regarded by many as the strongest all round stamina class, maybe not exactly for soloing, but certainly in small groups. Their mobility isn't the best, but they have everything else. Major Fracture. Burst from Shalks. AOE damage. A burst heal, allowing them to choose Forward Momentum, instead of Rally. Warden, as a whole, is a tanky class, due to healing from passives and certain buff skills. They also get permanent Minor Protection and Major Protection from ice ult.
I still see many stam DKs. The Deadly Strike set was recently changed, which suits DKs. Still wouldn't rate them as top damage dealers, though. Their playstyles can vary, but 1H+S / 2H is probably typical. Tanky Reverb Bash defile builds are common.
Stamsorc kind of is what it is. It's stamina morphs are all really strong skills, but few, thus limiting build variety. The Implosion passive was reworked. They lack burst, unless you are comfortable with a Dizzying Swing build. Speed builds are still viable and, of course they have streak. I don't play mine much. My overall impression - more so from reading - is that they are not top tier. One thing that's interesting is the removal of gap closer minimum distances, in Elsweyr, which will allow stamsorc to have guaranteed heals by spamming Crit Rush.
Stamplar is another class I know little about. Jabs damage is strong, they have a burst skill (Power of the Light), and of course the cleanse. I went out with Troll King, Steadfast Hero and Bone Pirate (medium build) and was pleasantly surprised by the combination of tankiness and damage. This class is a speciality of Kristofer ESO's, on YouTube, who plays squishy burst / mobility builds WITHOUT Jabs or any true spammable.
Thanks for the detailed response. I was just going to send it to the Alcast website, but decided that I wasn't that nice.0 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Best tip for making a character for YOU: Envision what YOU want too do, make that. And start with that and do what YOU want too do.
All of this - Follow this guide, do this, do that. Will all be part in why you dont 'connect' with you're character. As you are not playing YOUR character, you're following a guide.
I started with a clear vision; A High Elf mage. So, High Elf Sorcerer it was. Now I'm a meta chasing, number crunching, dummy humping elitist. But all within the role of an arrogant high elf mage. indeed.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.3
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