Battlegrounds are Mindless and Unbalanced, They Aren't Worthy of a Daily Quest.

Linaleah · May 2019

I will freely admit that I'm mediocre to kinda bad at most things in this game. but... I did get several of my healers their purge and warhorn via battlegrounds and my experience was that non brain dead healers can quite literally make of break the match, let alone good ones, so there has GOT to be an ability for opposing team to shut them down at least temporarily. otherwise, teams without healers have no chance against teams WITH healers. in every mmo I've ever played and pvped in? healers get focused. that is part of the strategy, otherwise, heaving a healer is what unbalances the match the most.

LordTareq · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

So, after playing for a couple months me and my group of friends is well into the game. We all got full impen sets and gear, we know how to play our classes well.

But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless. What the developers have essentially done is removed any viable role a healer has from the battlegrounds. It really isn't fair to other players for healers to queue, as BG's are now a pure DPS game. You can spam your heal button all you want for your teammates and you will run out of resources in seconds because a heal that should do 10-15k+ with crits does 3k. Players will then three shot you to make it worse. I shouldn't be getting three shot while blocking with 30k resistances and a full impen set, but hey, I do, my friends do, and really skilled players do.

I really don't think BG's should count for a daily with the current state of balance. Tank's can survive BG's, barely, healer's are useless, and melees run rampant and mindlessly. I dunno, its my two cents, but as new players we just feel like its a stain on what is a fantastic game. We probably wont do them much anymore aside from basically being required to if we want to earn our fair share of daily experience.

I would recommend removing the debuffs to healing and quit isolating 25% of your player base who enjoys healing. It's a joke. If a healer is making a dps's life hard, its because they are DOING THEIR JOB - NOT because it is broken. DPS if anything, is indeed, broken - or atleast currently un-counterable. You then factor in the broken ideology of werewolfs and it all becomes a joke pretty quickly. Let's all pretend for a second that werewolfs are balanced. Yeah bro, let me just pull out my poison before he three shots me and my mates after fearing us for 10 seconds.

*rant off* fix it.

Git gud

Halcyon_blue · May 2019

If it helps, I think that the biggest mindset leap to make in this game, especially in BG's, is that due to team size the paradigm of a 'pure' healer isn't going to be optimal - standing back and trying to do reactive and layered heals only, while a valid strategy (especially with strong dps teammates) is situational and should be complemented by dps'ing.

You can still contribute strongly, but a bg's healer should still be helping with potl, reach, oppression (I'm coming from a templar perspective!), elemental weapon etc will help with spikes. Be adaptive and find out what works for you, but a just spamming springs or BOL in isolation will not be helpful and isn't the best way to play in other contexts either.

ESO doesn't have a pre-cast dedicated healing paradigm; instead you need to help via weaving, rotations and careful switching between focused healing vs dps spiking as the situation calls for. And this isn't just in bg's, this goes for dungeons as well.

If you are juggling the above, you *will* make a significant difference, and more than likely top medals - even as healer - as well as receiving compliments from your team mates and creating am much more enjoyable experience for all.

I hope that helps and have fun!

Kidgangster101 · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.

I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.

Unless you learn.to read what others have been posting you will clearly be waiting a very long time as they have answered you lol. And it truly sounds like you don't have a clue of what your talking about at all.

Pvp healing is very different. Build for survivability at all costs because you are really the tank/healer of the group so everyone will run right for you. If you sit still of course your.going to die in seconds but that's to multiple people hitting you and if your dying to just 1 person it is a l2p issue.

Pvp isnt pve, ai isn't that smart where human players will think and try to anticipate what you will do. If you fall for their tricks you lose 1v1 all the time as a healer

Instead of insulting the players that have been playing for years while you only played a few months maybe you should ask for help and ask how to improve your game. Someone who thinks they are good but then dies a lot is someone that can't admit they need to get better and have a hurt ego lol.

Sp1dHQ · May 2019

Jesus, what a salty topic starter. If you are getting destroyed, it doesn’t mean you can be toxic to responders here.
Heals are not effective in BG? On what MMR are you playing? Even in noCP environment healers can be so cancerous, if built correctly. If you say, that you are burning out of resources as a healer in few secs, it clearly shows, that you are not nearly “good at your class” as you say in initial post. In high MMR fights an organised group with healer is very hard to beat. The only thing you could do is to focus one target with your group, or time ur abilities together and ult dump slamming huge aoe on enemy team at the same time. You CANNOT “mindlessly dps”, you will never get a kill, because “nerfed healers” will sustain a group for eternity. So all your complains are from lowbie perspective, you have no idea, what is happening in high MMR, thus, all your points are far from the real situation
Here are advices on playing as a healer in BG:
1) When you start to spam burts healing (warden mushrooms, breath of life), you will lose stamina in few secs, as you said. Your best healing is from resto staff and cheap class skills. Burst heal is for “oh, crap” moments, don’t spam it.
2) NoCP build is very important. You can’t be successful with light armor pve build. Impen is not going to save you, as you assume. Healer must be super tanky. There are no unkillable builds in noCP, but there are unkillable build in 2v1 scenario for enough time to get help from teammates. In 1v1 you might kill them in few minutes, but BG is not a duel. You need to be tanky with good mana regen. I tried heavy impregnable armor (it gives crit resist) full sturdy all tristat, shackelbreaker/bright-throat and defensive monster set/earthgore. Heal-block-heal-block. With build like this you will see, how “underperfoming healers are in bg”.
3) Your best friend is heavy attack with resto couples with heavy armor passives. This regens so much, you can sustain forever.
4) Don’t forget that this is a team-oriented game mode. Don’t assume that you can survive alone that long. Your group has to support you sometimes with cleanse/stamina healing. You have to stay together and kill targets quickly with ult dumping and focusing 1 target. When there is an opportunity you have to know how to go offensive, you have to provide debuffs and aoe all the time.

As for 50% healing reduction , it is ok. You don’t know what are you asking for. Now in high MMr games mostly last till time runs out. It is all because of healers. Without this reduction all games will be with 0 kills. In CP campaign ppl are already so tanky with good healing power, so it is a chore to fight there. Duels are lasting for 10 mins and it is really boring. Don’t bring this garbage to noCP pls.
You also said that there is no need for a healer atm and you can mindlessly go with melee dd...go and try to even come close to a fight of organised group with healer with other group. You will die from aoe and 10 permafrosts in 1 sec without your own healer...

spartaxoxo · May 2019

All dailies are mindless. So it sounds like they fit right in. There are so many dailies in ESO there's no real reason to do them all. Just do the ones you like or need and skip the rest.

MrBrownstone · May 2019

Why does this guy still believe that healing is nerfed and dps is not while the Battle Spirit effect clearly states that both healing and damage are halved?

Jeremy · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

So, after playing for a couple months me and my group of friends is well into the game. We all got full impen sets and gear, we know how to play our classes well.

But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless. What the developers have essentially done is removed any viable role a healer has from the battlegrounds. It really isn't fair to other players for healers to queue, as BG's are now a pure DPS game. You can spam your heal button all you want for your teammates and you will run out of resources in seconds because a heal that should do 10-15k+ with crits does 3k. Players will then three shot you to make it worse. I shouldn't be getting three shot while blocking with 30k resistances and a full impen set, but hey, I do, my friends do, and really skilled players do.

I really don't think BG's should count for a daily with the current state of balance. Tank's can survive BG's, barely, healer's are useless, and melees run rampant and mindlessly. I dunno, its my two cents, but as new players we just feel like its a stain on what is a fantastic game. We probably wont do them much anymore aside from basically being required to if we want to earn our fair share of daily experience.

I would recommend removing the debuffs to healing and quit isolating 25% of your player base who enjoys healing. It's a joke. If a healer is making a dps's life hard, its because they are DOING THEIR JOB - NOT because it is broken. DPS if anything, is indeed, broken - or atleast currently un-counterable. You then factor in the broken ideology of werewolfs and it all becomes a joke pretty quickly. Let's all pretend for a second that werewolfs are balanced. Yeah bro, let me just pull out my poison before he three shots me and my mates after fearing us for 10 seconds.

*rant off* fix it.

This post sounds eerily similar to a thread I made myself after dabbling in PvP for a few months on this game where I came to pretty much the same conclusions you did. Trying to play as a healer on this game in PvP is "broken" - which is a good way to describe it actually. It's extremely weak compared to other MMORPGs I have played and unless you have an army protecting you any well played DPS is going to obliterate you.

You're going to have those who tell you this is a "L2P issue". But it's not. Healing on this game just isn't an effective counter to damage on this game like it is in other MMORPGs. So unless you happen to have your own squadron of bodyguards or just enjoy being a damage dealer's wet dream I wouldn't recommend you play as a healer on this game in PvP. You're just going to suffer as a result while wasting away your magicka bar in some futile attempt to stay alive.

This is actually the first MMORPG I have ever played where I did not play as a healer in PvP in fact. I tried to make it work too.
Tried every build I could think of. None of it impressed me. So I would do yourself a favor and play as something else. I also tip my hat to those who do play as healers in this game's PvP. I honestly don't know how you put up with it. Because if you think PvP healers are good on this game you should try it on other games. You would literally be blown away.

Tonnopesce · May 2019

A good no CP healer can keep up all the group for enought time to kill all the opponents.
No CP pvp is all about avoid damage, not heal up; LOS, rolldoge, shields, block are your best friends there.
A pure damage PVP build can easily get 10k crit even in no CP but if you block at the right moment that 10k attack become a 2-3k on a dd and 2-300 on a tank.
Probably @op your teammates rely too much on the healer, BG is still pvp everyone need to sustain alone even for a while, having a dedicated healer is a bonus to a group but is not needed.

When i play bg's i do it mainly on my stamplar (Kristofer eso "Ghost" build whith some tweaks for no cp) and my only heal is rally.
Believe me i can survive enought alone without a healer.

Vandril · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

skiidzman wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Sounds like an l2p issue. I have no trouble healing myself when im not even built to it.

Sounds like a dps that doesn't want to actually have skill to play.

???? the fact that I can survive with my self heals even if I am built to inflict damage makes me skilless?

What class? Build? Setup? You could be a tank for all I know with full defense going. Because I know for a fact you aren't going to heal through 2-3 dps on you, you are blatantly lying at that point. Honestly I think you just play DPS and don't wanna have to deal with real healers.

Well, yeah. Why would you believe ANYONE should be able to heal through 2-3 DPS on them? Because they shouldn't.

Kel · May 2019

https://youtu.be/fivoJWXZP4U

https://youtu.be/JDd6Qx44pE4

https://youtu.be/mylZh3D0PoE

https://youtu.be/jBAvtUmseyo

Nightblade, sorc, warden, and yes, a DK healer.

Healing in battlegrounds is just fine. It just takes practice and experience.

You're not just going to walk into PvP, slap on some impen, and be great at it. Like anything else, it takes time.

Runkorko · May 2019

l2p issue.
Learn the use/meaning of cleanse.
Spaming heals/skills is nor good.
And to be short- just l2p.
Patience and practice is what you need.

JayAstrophel · May 2019

Yeah, friend, damage is reduced in BG as well as healing. BGs can be super fun but you’re not always going to do well - still, keep going out there and trying with your healers! I’ve seen amazing healers that have helped magnificently in matches.

Runkorko · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.

I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.

Dude just go get some rest tho. Both dps and heals are equaly nerfed in pvp.
The fact you get killed its your foult. Healers are not imorrtal / even if templars are very close to immortality/
If your teammates just sit in the fray spaming dps skills, waiting you to keep them alive- its their foult.
Go home now hommie, and l2p. Nuff waiting.

GrimClaw · May 2019

Healers are useless if the DD are useless. Healing crappy DD is a waste of time and same as not healing.

Tirps · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.

I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.

Nuff said. Also damage is being affected by armor and other resistances and cps. Also FYI you lose stats in no cp and yours heals and damage is weaker.

frozzzen101 · May 2019

Only real problem with healers is that they require teammates that can actually do some damage. But if you go as a healer and get put in competentish group, you will steamroll over other two teams because they simply cannot brawl with you, and once put on defensive they will just crumble.

But nice job community, it's always nice to see opinionated

skiidzman wrote: »

low-IQ brain dead

OP who can't even get his fact straight put back in his place.

I'm proud of you all.

MentalxHammer · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hrm. You're inaccurate on many subjects and I think it's largely due to your lack of non-CP PvP experience.

Tanks do rather well. Healers can make a massive difference.

You cannot however simply slot impen and play these roles well.

Same with dps.

400k-1mil healing is common for a BG healer depending on the player's around them.
I personally have an "Unkillable" BG sorc tank thread and video

There's absolutely no need to buff healing

Still waiting on that video showing how OP you are.

Waffenacht has been a strong PvPer for years before you even began playing this game. Dude you need to calm tf down, play this game for another year and you will realize how bogus this thread is. Just accept that you are mistaken and don't rage at every forumgoer who points it out...

electromagnets · May 2019

OP, turn your ego off for a minute and listen to the overwhelming feedback you’re getting. You stated that you’ve been playing for a few months and many of the people responding to your ignorant, crybaby thread have been playing since launch.

You haven’t listed what sets or skills you’re running, nor what your noob friends are running that’s getting them killed as well.

Check yourself and listen to your elders, boy.

Runkorko · May 2019

There is a proof you can have fun with templar healer.
Assisting, doing dmg and healing in the same time.
In grp with randoms. In grps when even one of them needed to leave in the midle of BG and we still win.
I dont post it to show of. I post it to counter your complains.
See the personal score and tell me healer is not a cary.
Good luck with complaining and fighting everyone on forums.
https://imgur.com/a/99QvZiX
lvl is low and items i wear are not even crafted/ random pieces i get from instances.

mb10 · May 2019

You can’t just go from Cyro to BGs without altering your set up.

Your skills, sets everything needs to be catered to non cp so it takes more skill and thought process.

Imo all PVP should be non cp

HankTwo · May 2019

Dude, I know of magblade healers that consistently do 2+ million healing in high mmr battlegrounds. You know how much impact such a player has on the whole match? On top of that they are basically unkillable in a 1v1 and even challenging to kill with 3 people focusing, as long as they get some group support.

Runkorko · May 2019

mb10 wrote: »

You can’t just go from Cyro to BGs without altering your set up.

Your skills, sets everything needs to be catered to non cp so it takes more skill and thought process.

Imo all PVP should be non cp

Its perfect as it is.
Its for a player to choose.

Kadoin · May 2019

mb10 wrote: »

You can’t just go from Cyro to BGs without altering your set up.

Your skills, sets everything needs to be catered to non cp so it takes more skill and thought process.

Imo all PVP should be non cp

I don't know...I use the exact same build in CP and no-CP and it's just as strong. In fact, BGs is a playground for me

The best part is that even after the nerfs coming to that build in the next patch, it won't matter because I've already found something far better and it also works in no CP and CP just the same

CompM4s · May 2019

healing is viable in bg’s. I ran a warden healer and it worked out just fine. This is clearly a L2p issue. I saw that plenty of experienced players offered advice and you just continued to complain. Maybe you should research some builds or ask questions on how to make your healer viable.

ChunkyCat · May 2019

skiidzman wrote: »

But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless.

I stopped reading after “heals are worthless”.

No, no they are not. Heals are ridiculously strong. As a Stamina Warden, I can keep my team alive just using vigor, the Warden Stam heal, and the occasional Tree Ult.

You just have to be Tanky enough to stay alive and continue spamming the heals. It also helps when you can dish out damage along with the heals.

No offense, but this is usually when someone will throw out “Learn to Play” or “Get Good.”

If you’re not having fun, stop playing. Otherwise, it sounds like you need to tweak your gear and gain more experience playing your character.

Solariken · May 2019

Healers are not effective? Boy that is crazy talk, BG healers are like 40-man raid bosses and the sole reason so many games reach time limit without any team breaking 300 points.

skiidzman wrote: »

Truth is none of you have provided a reason why healing is nerfed and DPS is not.

I am still waiting. Waiting. And waiting.

Damage, healing, and damage shields are all reduced by the same amount in PvP (50%).

Just get more experience man you'll get better and start to have a great time.

Vapirko · May 2019

It can take months if not a year to learn to PvP well. Some people never catch on. A few months of playing this game in general is nothing.

ChunkyCat wrote: »

skiidzman wrote: »

But BG's just feel mindless. They aren't balanced - simply due to the fact that heals are worthless.

I stopped reading after “heals are worthless”.

No, no they are not. Heals are ridiculously strong. As a Stamina Warden, I can keep my team alive just using vigor, the Warden Stam heal, and the occasional Tree Ult.

You just have to be Tanky enough to stay alive and continue spamming the heals. It also helps when you can dish out damage along with the heals.

No offense, but this is usually when someone will throw out “Learn to Play” or “Get Good.”

If you’re not having fun, stop playing. Otherwise, it sounds like you need to tweak your gear and gain more experience playing your character.

When you get a serious answer from @ChunkyCat you know you’ve got something to learn lol.

ChunkyCat · May 2019

I had sex last night.

Kadoin · May 2019

The topic poster is probably is trying to use a tank build in no-CP and thinks he/she will still heal for large amounts with no drawbacks like in CP. Too bad for him/her, its not possible to really heal in no-CP without investing in spell power, mag, spell crit, and mag regen (or alternatives) unless you don't want to use proc sets. There's no CP to turn anyone into a healer, and not keeping major mending up has its consequences in no-CP (better carry a resto stave on one bar at least!)

Personally, I find that the effectiveness of my healing in CP and no-CP is not very different. While damage does outpace my healing more than it does in CP, that's only because of damaging proc sets and the damage reduction from CP. And I'm using a hybrid build that is not fully invested in healing, and its the same exact build in CP and no-CP!

I would honestly honestly say that healing in BGs doesn't need a buff or nerf. Some proc sets on live right now do need to be nerfed, but that's about it. Then again, some damaging proc sets need a nerf too in no-CP, yet they aren't getting them...