Magdk - PvP Tank Healer

thedude33 · May 2019

This is my third creation of a tank healer for PvP

First was a magblade. Regular heals. Healthy Offering burst heal and Dark Cloak for self heal. Great CCs. 50k health. Lots of fun
Second was mag sorc. Regular heals. Clanfear burst heal. Good CC. Streak plus negate. 50k health. Lots of fun
Just got my magdk to 50. I can use regular heals but I'm not sure if I have enough self heals with Green Blood

I like to be able to take a beating. Heal people around me and have some CC. With the DK I might be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole?

Open to suggestions.

Thanks

Iskiab · May 2019

Should work no problem. There was another thread about DK healers where people posted what they use irrc. Only issue I remember them mentioning is the small area of some of their ground effects.... even smaller then refreshing path.

I’d setup like a magdk but use a resto staff. You could try focusing on Ult generation and definitely use blood spawn, maybe fire + resto or resto + sword and board. If being tanky is your thing as a healer being a DK should be one of the best class choices.

Just use wings a lot and I think you’ll be fine, magdks are already one of the tankiest magicka classes so imagine they’d make one of the best tanky healers.

Sustain might be an issue, but that’s really easy to fix with magicka recovery glyphs or Breton.

thedude33 · May 2019

Searching for info on this is tougher than finding a hens tooth. This might be a bad idea

EtTuBrutus · May 2019

Describe tank and healer. Bc if you're av tank, youre a terrible healer as u lack the stats to make your heals effective.

That being said, i have a pretty fun and effective guard tank/ heal support build. Got a video if u wanna see the effectiveness of the heals.

Iskiab · May 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Describe tank and healer. Bc if you're av tank, youre a terrible healer as u lack the stats to make your heals effective.

That being said, i have a pretty fun and effective guard tank/ heal support build. Got a video if u wanna see the effectiveness of the heals.

In pvp being a tank and healer are synonymous. Against competent opponents you’re going to the your opponent’s primary target.

A healer who can’t even keep themselves up has no chance of contributing to the team. Being tanky is more important than healing output.

That’s why for new pvp healers the first thing I tell them is you should be able to duel someone and stay alive indefinitely without using an ultimate, and you should have enough defense that you’re ungankable.

EtTuBrutus · May 2019

Even a stacked springs with a build like that couldn't be effective at healing others that are being focused. It could be support tho.

Op, dragon blood is great. In this build i got a 20 something i think. The build is meant for tower farming so my small man can hold thier ground even in bombs although, good is open field making it harder to tank and heal. Ive got about 4k hps on a tank build, that's also rooting and maiming to further assist the team. It's also a guard build. Pm if u want the video/ build.

thedude33 · May 2019

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Even a stacked springs with a build like that couldn't be effective at healing others that are being focused. It could be support tho.

Op, dragon blood is great. In this build i got a 20 something i think. The build is meant for tower farming so my small man can hold thier ground even in bombs although, good is open field making it harder to tank and heal. Ive got about 4k hps on a tank build, that's also rooting and maiming to further assist the team. It's also a guard build. Pm if u want the video/ build.

Sure, that would be great to take a look.

My Sorc tank only uses destro heals. I only have 29k magicka but the heals keep people up, but your right, not when getting focused. That usually gets peoples attention and they come after me. The clanfear heal keeps me up easy, while the guys I was earlier healing get to go on offense. It works because I can burst heal myself. Same with NB with a very nice burst heal ( until patch)

This doesn't work for me without some type of burst self heal and was worried DB wasn't enough.

Honestly, it's a nuisance build. Some healing, CC and a pain in the a$$ to kill.

Iskiab · May 2019

That’s the best way to do it, healing will force people to come after you, then be a pain in the butt to take down.

If someone’s being focused there isn’t much you can do, that’s true even if the classes with the best burst healing. Luckily most pvpers don’t focus fire and a lot play pvp like mini duels.

If someone is being focused I’ve found it more effective to try and peel rather then heal through the focus fire. This can be tricky to do though when you’re the primary target, so they’ll switch targets to you. Aoe cc tends to be pbaoe so be ready for a couple dawnbreakers, permafrost or Soul Assault in the face after peeling.

exeeter702 · May 2019

Pariah/fort brass + naga shaman
1pc chudan 1pc pirate skele
Brp resto staff
Argonian

Cauterize, obsidian shard and fragmented sheild are your friends. Stand in cinder storm and coag blood + ward ally to tank pressure.

Absolutely can work, but to produce powerful healing figures when healing people in pvp you wont be running around with 50k hp, thats for damn sure.

thedude33 · May 2019

exeeter702 wrote: »

Pariah/fort brass + naga shaman
1pc chudan 1pc pirate skele
Brp resto staff
Argonian

Cauterize, obsidian shard and fragmented sheild are your friends. Stand in cinder storm and coag blood + ward ally to tank pressure.

Absolutely can work, but to produce powerful healing figures when healing people in pvp you wont be running around with 50k hp, thats for damn sure.

I only have 30k magicka so can't take advantage of this advice. My healing is secondary healing. I know it's not the best.

I'm not very good so I need the HPs to stay alive. Although maybe your way using light armor I would stay alive longer.

What is BRP?

HowlKimchi · May 2019

as a tanky magDK you should be mitigating *a lot* of damage compared to nbs and sorcs. As such you shouldn't need as high burst heals because you're getting damaged for less.

It's definitely possible to make a magdk healer/tank pvp build, you just need a different approach/perspective than with magsorcs and magblade healers (which are pretty similar relative to magdk tank healers)

The damage shield morph of leap is amazing. an AOE burst, with CC, with 100% health damage shield, AND it gives resources back. Maybe focus on ult gen more this time around.

exeeter702 · May 2019

thedude33 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Pariah/fort brass + naga shaman
1pc chudan 1pc pirate skele
Brp resto staff
Argonian

Cauterize, obsidian shard and fragmented sheild are your friends. Stand in cinder storm and coag blood + ward ally to tank pressure.

Absolutely can work, but to produce powerful healing figures when healing people in pvp you wont be running around with 50k hp, thats for damn sure.

I only have 30k magicka so can't take advantage of this advice. My healing is secondary healing. I know it's not the best.

I'm not very good so I need the HPs to stay alive. Although maybe your way using light armor I would stay alive longer.

What is BRP?

Perhaps inhave misunderstood what you are asking for here. When you say tanky healer are you reffering to a tank that self heals to stay alive? Or are you reffering to a healer (keeping allies alive) that is built to be tanky with little damage? Because the former is absolutely useless all things considered.

Black rose prison restoration staff

exeeter702 · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

as a tanky magDK you should be mitigating *a lot* of damage compared to nbs and sorcs. As such you shouldn't need as high burst heals because you're getting damaged for less.

It's definitely possible to make a magdk healer/tank pvp build, you just need a different approach/perspective than with magsorcs and magblade healers (which are pretty similar relative to magdk tank healers)

The damage shield morph of leap is amazing. an AOE burst, with CC, with 100% health damage shield, AND it gives resources back. Maybe focus on ult gen more this time around.

The only inherent damage mitigation dks have over nbs or sorcs is iron skin and scaled armor passives, both of which are made up with in other ways via minor protection cloak and bound armaments, its just that no one ever builds nbs and sorcs to actually be tanky. The differences are very minor in actual practice.

thedude33 · May 2019

exeeter702 wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Pariah/fort brass + naga shaman
1pc chudan 1pc pirate skele
Brp resto staff
Argonian

Cauterize, obsidian shard and fragmented sheild are your friends. Stand in cinder storm and coag blood + ward ally to tank pressure.

Absolutely can work, but to produce powerful healing figures when healing people in pvp you wont be running around with 50k hp, thats for damn sure.

I only have 30k magicka so can't take advantage of this advice. My healing is secondary healing. I know it's not the best.

I'm not very good so I need the HPs to stay alive. Although maybe your way using light armor I would stay alive longer.

What is BRP?

Perhaps inhave misunderstood what you are asking for here. When you say tanky healer are you reffering to a tank that self heals to stay alive? Or are you reffering to a healer (keeping allies alive) that is built to be tanky with little damage? Because the former is absolutely useless all things considered.

Black rose prison restoration staff

I'm a healer that heals others. My heals aren't as large as they are in pve because I have given up some things to be more tanky.

Edit: ..and I guess I'm doing something right because the hate tells are starting.

HowlKimchi · May 2019

exeeter702 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

as a tanky magDK you should be mitigating *a lot* of damage compared to nbs and sorcs. As such you shouldn't need as high burst heals because you're getting damaged for less.

It's definitely possible to make a magdk healer/tank pvp build, you just need a different approach/perspective than with magsorcs and magblade healers (which are pretty similar relative to magdk tank healers)

The damage shield morph of leap is amazing. an AOE burst, with CC, with 100% health damage shield, AND it gives resources back. Maybe focus on ult gen more this time around.

The only inherent damage mitigation dks have over nbs or sorcs is iron skin and scaled armor passives, both of which are made up with in other ways via minor protection cloak and bound armaments, its just that no one ever builds nbs and sorcs to actually be tanky. The differences are very minor in actual practice.

You're forgetting wings, the ability to hold block longer because of sources of stam regeneration outside recovery via passives, aoe minor maim with talons.

Aside from mitigation, you also have lots of sources of healing and health recovery, that adds up to a whole lot of sustained healing.

exeeter702 · May 2019

thedude33 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Pariah/fort brass + naga shaman
1pc chudan 1pc pirate skele
Brp resto staff
Argonian

Cauterize, obsidian shard and fragmented sheild are your friends. Stand in cinder storm and coag blood + ward ally to tank pressure.

Absolutely can work, but to produce powerful healing figures when healing people in pvp you wont be running around with 50k hp, thats for damn sure.

I only have 30k magicka so can't take advantage of this advice. My healing is secondary healing. I know it's not the best.

I'm not very good so I need the HPs to stay alive. Although maybe your way using light armor I would stay alive longer.

What is BRP?

Perhaps inhave misunderstood what you are asking for here. When you say tanky healer are you reffering to a tank that self heals to stay alive? Or are you reffering to a healer (keeping allies alive) that is built to be tanky with little damage? Because the former is absolutely useless all things considered.

Black rose prison restoration staff

I'm a healer that heals others. My heals aren't as large as they are in pve because I have given up some things to be more tanky.

Being tanky can be achieved through building for resistance cap. Healing is cut in half accross the board in pvp so no need to refer to pve values, we all understand here. 30k magicka in no cp is fine. Building for 50k hp is legitimate overkill, 28 to 30k is the upper limit imo. Dks have very potent burst heals im regards to how they scale ie. both cauterize and obsidian shard offer alot of bang for buck, the trade off is that they are a little slower in application.

Cauterize upon activation with fire its burst heal so you can let it passively fire off and activate it when needed. Obsidian shard has a very high healing tool tip but needs to strike an enemy before it heals an ally, both the projectile and the heal have there own ranges, effectively making the heals reach 50+ meters. Cushion these two spells with mutagen in small scale and springs in large scale along side ward ally.

Dks have the unique advantage of having an on demand major mending, keeping this up ensures max uptime on helping hands and mountains blessing passives as well as obviously bolstering your healing done.

Blackrose prison is a very easy 4 man trail on normal. The restoration staff from there is very very good on a dk. When you use steadfast ward, the recipient of the ward gains major vitality for 3 seconds. This is why you use the ward ally morph which ensures you always get the shield as well as an ally vs healing ward which is always a gamble in pvp since dont always get the ward.

This is what makes naga shaman such a good set for dk healers. Naga shaman plus brp resto means with fragmented shield and ward ally use, you are gaining major vit, minor vit, major mending and minor mending. Couple that with argonian, and a defensive resistance set with proper execution and you will be surprisingly tankly, especially under cinder storm and coag blood or spiked armor running which are draconic abiities thus cause you to take 12 percent increased healing thanks to the burning heart passive.

exeeter702 · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

HaruKamui wrote: »

as a tanky magDK you should be mitigating *a lot* of damage compared to nbs and sorcs. As such you shouldn't need as high burst heals because you're getting damaged for less.

It's definitely possible to make a magdk healer/tank pvp build, you just need a different approach/perspective than with magsorcs and magblade healers (which are pretty similar relative to magdk tank healers)

The damage shield morph of leap is amazing. an AOE burst, with CC, with 100% health damage shield, AND it gives resources back. Maybe focus on ult gen more this time around.

The only inherent damage mitigation dks have over nbs or sorcs is iron skin and scaled armor passives, both of which are made up with in other ways via minor protection cloak and bound armaments, its just that no one ever builds nbs and sorcs to actually be tanky. The differences are very minor in actual practice.

You're forgetting wings, the ability to hold block longer because of sources of stam regeneration outside recovery via passives, aoe minor maim with talons.

Aside from mitigation, you also have lots of sources of healing and health recovery, that adds up to a whole lot of sustained healing.

Wings is the outlier and was not forgotten. It is also an expensive upkeep and parralled by defensive options the other classes have.

Minor maim and healing assives arent unique to dks either Both of which nb has in droves. And a mag sorc built to tank aggression with shields is very tanky, you just dont see them because most sorcs build for high damage instead of building into a tanky healing role.

Veg · May 2019

if the devs end up making some set bonus where the healing you do to yourself is shared with allies then you can try it. Until then, enjoy being the invincible statue

https://youtu.be/MKw1nN51PSs

The only really strong spammable healing ability that dk's have is green dragon blood. It is a self heal : (