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Do you trust ZOS for balancing the game?
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Maybe if they invested more time & money, they could have balanced the game better.
But as it currently stands, balancing the game isn't even a priority for them.
They keep releasing new content with even more sets & classes(like Necromancer) while the game's balance is in bad shape.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The mythical balance. All this means is every class or race is the same. This leads to boring game play and what will help decrease the player base.3 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.The mythical balance. All this means is every class or race is the same. This leads to boring game play and what will help decrease the player base.
There is a difference between the same gameplay style for all and balance between all gameplay styles.
For example, Stamina Templar is bad in PVP when compared to Stamina Warden.
So ZOS needs to nerf/adjust the Warden to be more balanced.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.The mythical balance. All this means is every class or race is the same. This leads to boring game play and what will help decrease the player base.
I have noticed such an undercurrent here in the forum.
Most times, we see the "meta" claims. A particular race/class/attribute combination must be used, and balance comments and feedback tend to be addressed at breaking that up. Or preserving it, depending on your bent.
But yes, there is also the thought that any random combination should be able to do everything in the game with equal ease. I agree that this leads to boring games. I think that It is much more interesting to play a character acceptably well, even in the face of inherent disadvantages that reduce maximum potential, than it is to play the min/max meta or have the game ensure that all combinations cannot fail.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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sindalstar✭✭✭Yes.Im not really sure what this topic is supposed to do. Expose the balance team for being shams and get them fired or something?
If your upset, fine, but dont make it a borderline insult. I dont envy their task at all. They somehow have to make everyone happy in a system that actively encourages you to play the way you want to.
They've not suceeded and we've had problems. In all respect to them i dont think anyone can be trusted to do what every single person expects them to do.
If they make everything viable it wont be eso anymore. People will complain regardless because changes are jarring and somone gets what they wanted but others dont because everyone wants what they wantEdited by sindalstar on May 10, 2019 10:39AM3 -
me_ming✭✭✭✭✭Mixed.To be honest with OP, I don't understand these kind of posts. We all have our own idea of what "balanced" is. No matter what any game developer will tweek, everyone will have their own idea of what balanced is. It is more subjective than objective, because people will always want to have the best class, the best race, the best gear, the best skill, they don't want to be one-shooted, but they want to one-shot someone. Yeah, sure people will call out what is OP, but only because they don't want anyone else to have an advantage to them. So this game, or any other game for the matter will never reach a "balanced" state. There will always be some skill, gear, race, class, etc who will stand out at one point in a patch. Unless everyone just shuts the F up and stops complaining and just look/learn how to counter what is currently OP, then we can have a more "balanced" game."We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
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wishlist14✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Afcourse I trust zos devs and all the wonderfull people that work at zenimax. They created this game and developed it, it's their livelyhood, their jobs. Sure eso goes through some teething pains after balancing and change can be painful at first but everyone adapts eventually.
They create a lot of phenomenal content in my opinion. I can't find another game out there that engages me and offers me as much variety as eso. Afcourse Im going to trust them.
I am looking at changes as a challenge.A true hero will rise above all obstacles and even when he seems beaten he will rise and fight another day.
Edited by wishlist14 on May 10, 2019 12:00PM0 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Thevampirenight wrote: »Its their game their servers they own it we don't. We may own access to play and access to items in it but that is all. They can take it away at any time. People might not like it and I do think they will adjust it, but they do things because they want to do them or think its cool and not the way players want them all the time. Player base don't get to decide what content they decide to tell a story with or what class they put in though they did the necromancer because we wanted it. As players we can make threads asking for stuff but at the end of the day. They own it we bought access to what they own and operate. That is just how it is. Trust them or not trust them. But they are the boss of whatever goes on the servers. Some or a lot of those things we don't have to like. Sometimes we just have to deal and continue on. Though it is disappointing that it could really effect an entire magicka build and magicka players. But all we can do is voice our opinions and hope they listen to them.
What? Huh? You do realize of course that ZOS is a BUSINESS? ZOS is trading a VALUE in exchange for MONEY. People who pay to play this game, or WIDER, who trade money for ANY value expect an equitable trade- that is to say, WHAT they purchase is of VALUE to them-in terms of money, NEVERMIND about in terms of TIME.
They most certainly do not have to "deal and continue on," lol. The moment it occurs to any player of this game that the experience is NOT worth the cost, much less the time spent playing it, is the very moment the game itself begins to die and ZOS is stuck with a bunch of shiny, worthless servers. Zos may still have loads of content to share and great stories to tell, but no one's buying. It all begins with a loss of TRUST.
Square business...Edited by JumpmanLane on May 10, 2019 11:41AM4 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Not really. Not after the racial changes.
The changes for Wood elves and Argonians seem phoned in and appear to not have been given much thought.
The Wood Elf passives in particular seem to be made with such a narrow focus towards PvP that they may as well have a “For PvP only” warning sign on the character creation page.
And lore wise the two races are just so messed up. Argonians are supposed to be poison resistant, they are not. Wood elves are supposed to be good at stealth and are just the opposite. Sigh.
It appears to me that the new balancing teams philosophy is to focus on PvP combat only, and ignore how it effects PvE.
I’ve made a lot of friends here so I am reluctant to leave, but with each of these changes I feel a bit more removed from the game. The recent “balancing” they are doing consistently makes me less and less excited to play.4 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.JumpmanLane wrote: »
They most certainly do not have to "deal and continue on," lol. The moment it occurs to any player of this game that the experience is NOT worth the cost, much less the time spent playing it, is the very moment the game itself begins to die and ZOS is stuck with a bunch of shiny, worthless servers. Zos may still have loads of content to share and great stories to tell, but no one's buying. It all begins with a loss of TRUST.
"Any player" ?
No.
The current drama always seems like it is something bigger, and more important, than it is. Fact is that ESO's history is filled with patch and update drama, performance drama, bug drama, combat drama, and all manner of wonderful drama. Each time, a few people trip over each other trying to be the first the announce that they are dropping ESO Plus, or leaving the game. Each time, the drama subsides, until some new drama appears.
Yet, through all of this, ZOS says that things are growing. For good reason. The game is better today than it was last year, and each year before that.
XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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ghastley✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes.Their interests are different, so I trust them to do so in their own interests, rather than those of one noisy group of users or another. So I expect most people will whine, but reluctant agree they did as well as could be expected.
They need to keep the game being played, so they can't screw up too badly.1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mixed.Dont trust them as much as FFXIV's team, but ZOS is better than NCSoft, and Bioware.
Bout the same trust as Blizzard's team. A decent mixture of good, bad and ugly.
Not saying that it is a good thing, just a mixture of all three. Sometimes that limelight is shining on you, sometimes, not so much.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DTStormfox wrote: »This topic isn't really about trusting ZOS with balancing, is it?
This topic actually is just another of those 'I don't like my favourite class being nerfed' whining topics, isn't it?
well said,
all truth.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.No. I think they were going for having a budget score for each ability in belief in numbers are facts, and looked at eliminating redundancy but then the ignore practicalities and yet do rule breakers or just ignore their initial intention.
At least having a direction, even if flawed; is better than just randomly ignoring it.0 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mixed.They usually start out PTS with a clear goal in mind, then on second and third week they go completely bananas. On fourth and fifth they go in recovery mode and after all that they drop something that could be good with tons of wierd a*s changes with no goal or direction.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mixed.Its their game. Trust isnt relevant as they can do whatever they want.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Its their game. Trust isnt relevant as they can do whatever they want.
Of course 'trust' is 'relevant'.
This is a business.
To remain a going concern - a business needs a client base that trusts them to trade value for value.
When the game Loremasters start breaking lore and canon - the game starts becoming an entity that many players didn't bargain for.
Eventually the canon and game sufficiently diverge - the player base loses the subscribers who find themselves playing a game different from the one they bought, and they leave.
It's OK if you want to play a game that becomes little or nothing to do with the lore it was based on, but but many people are going to leave, or not even try the game at all, when the game morphs enough to lose it's connection to the original foundations.
At that point - you might as well just admit that lore and canon don't mean anything anymore, and anything can be introduced at any time for any reason.
The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mixed.I think the balance has improved in making more races viable but I don't trust them at all or at least don't trust their motives.
Had a khajit stamdk and was parsing 47k on the dummy. Got tired of it and switched to Orc and 50k first parse and I'm totally not a stamdk main.
I believe their intentions were not to make more races viable but to extract money from users by making Bis races 2nd or 3rd.
Is the game more balanced? IMO yes it is. Do I trust ZOS? Not at all.Edited by CleymenZero on May 10, 2019 3:57PM1 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes.Considering the numerous variables possible for a single build and the possibilities for group builds and that not everyone will use a predicable build, balance is impossible and I think they do okay. I'm not going to down-vote based on one thing on PTS (incap).Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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essi2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mixed.MMORPG balance is a fiction, it will never happen."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
"Wood Elves aren't made of wood, Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭many groups on this forum all think differently and want different fighting styles.
none of them agree.
so every day they make new threads all asking for nerfs to thier enemies builds and weapons and playstyles that they dont like.
its a horror fest.
the people with the most in their forum complaint group wins the nerf against their enemies, and they get the nerf they want for their group.
its horrible for everyone.
the only way to stop it is for the developers to step in.0 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mixed.I "trust"them more than the general player base. Imagine if they let loose the half thought out ideas and complaining from the forums? I would HATE to have the job of balancing this game.
I think there's a couple of things that we will all have to come to terms with.
1) new classes and weapons will continually require large changes. In order to make classes serve a role, purpose and be viable, there's going to be big chances. I'm fine with that.
2) Balance will never happen. I'm for moving closer stats but want to still maintain uniqueness (which isn't easy). Even if you separate pve and pvp, balance within those may be completely different. For example, look at magden. Increadiably strong in group play pvp but not the best for solo. So a 1vx will complain how dps sucks, go on about ice dmg is low and how the class is broken, yet if you play against a group with a magden, they are op. So what is it? op or broken? Pay to win, or failed black sheep?
3) The player base gives crappy feedback. (not completely) but look at forums. The amount of complaining, finger pointing, self interest preservation ect. I would hate to "sift" through these forums for a nugget of an idea.
4) Calculating balance. DPS dummies are great! Yet players have become so fixated on a dps parse instead of considering context. We are forgetting and generally in our feedback not discussing actual game play. dps parse means nothing when you are waiting for a rez. mobility is incrediably strong either pvp or pve yet you wont see that in a parse
In short, good luck with having balance, especially looking through forums1
