I also feel that tooltips needs to be improved across the board, for all classes and skill lines. For example, what constitutes a "low health target" for the purpose of Assassins Blade?
How much more damage does that skill do against a target with 70% health, or against a target with 25% health. I have no clue.

Have you seen any of the morphs for those abilities? Those can be the difference maker. Also, what type of character are you playing and what role?

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

Have you seen any of the morphs for those abilities? Those can be the difference maker. Also, what type of character are you playing and what role?

Solo stealther, pvp scout or some such, group based straight DPS

Only checked the morphs here http://teso.mmorpg-life.com/, and the info is a bit lacking

sirvincentiii wrote: »

IMO, everything in the Assassination line is worth taking if you are heavily armored and a melee NB. Shadow is great if you are using mainly staff and light armor. Siphoning is great with bow -- really great

I can see going light armor for a "warlock" build, but this class seems meant for medium armor (or at least 5/2) between bonuses and stamina drain.

The heavy armor sorc build I'm hearing about makes more sense to me then this.

Are there many mid-late game heavy armor nightblades running around? What is the rationale? The Nightblade is really about DPS, crit and often mobility as I see it but I'll keep an open mind should someone show otherwise...

Thanks for the reply

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Raubrey wrote: »

so I wouldn't say that "a NB is about DPS, crit, and mobility". Not true for all of us anyway. Maybe you meant "melee" NB's?

Thanks for the reply. I pretty much meant in general but with efficiency and effectiveness in mind.

I don't see a NB healer sustaining a group mid-late game (post-beta), and if they can are (most likely) using light armor +/- vampire, but Nightblade off-heals are really nice.

For heavy armor the Templar appears a better choice both for Bowplar and Healer. However, a healer NB sounds like a decent option for groups plagued with too many NBs and not enough healers or again as off-healers.

But, in regards to the OP, I probably should have limited the question to include heavy armor w/bow. I think recommending heavy armor for this class (other than 1-2 pieces) ... is not the best route if you are DPS , which is usually the case.

I run nightblade as MAIN healer in lvl 40+ instance (curently lvl 46)

Bloodmage = NB + Vampire, I believe. (Feel free to correct me if that's wrong.)

I don't think I said anything about out-healing anyone. Templars are all kinds of shiny right now, so I wouldn't make that distinction. I do know that my groups kill all with smiles on their faces because of my healing, so that's all the experience I need to say that NB's can heal just fine mid-game. And no, not situational... unless by situational, you somehow mean ALL situations.

I see that you and I are in different camps then. You've picked up the character that the current balance of the game says can put out the most healing potential and are playing in accordance with that - an elitist principle, I believe. I, on the other hand, play the character that I like, provided that it is viable for the role I intend to play. Quick question though... when the templar gets nerfed, what then? Re-roll? None for me, thanks.

It's not important to me what class heals the best right now. This game has allowed for such close-minded thinking to not be the standard for once in our MMO-loving lives. I only care that the class that I like healing with can provide the necessary avenue to succeed in the game content that I intend to play. I've done more than "pick up a restoration staff and call myself a healer"; I've morphed powers, adjusted my stats, and closed off that logic path in my head that links Nightblades to Rogues *cringes again*. But that's just me... to each his/her own - a phrase that now means something in this virtual world of ours.

Fair enough. And yes, I'll concede on the heavy armor portion as I wear it for solo activity and agree that it won't have as much utility in a group setting.

On the healing topic, I'm not at the end-game yet, so I can't say what works there. I can only hope that after all of this excitement about playing a character that you want (i.e. a healer with a bow, a sorcerer that tanks, a mage that wears heavy armor, etc.), they would not pigeon-hole the four classes into tank, dps, dps, heals. That is definitely not what ES games are about, and the notion of one going there literally makes my stomach turn...

Can't argue with that Sleepwalker and thanks for giving me something to think about. Not that i need more things to love about the NB but ...my interest in piqued. I really hope it stays a viable healing class for group stuff.

Templar better healer yea right no sorry I don't believe that I main healed every dungeon in the game witheout much effort and soon I will enter Veteran zone

Im currently farming the vault of madness for exp loot and crafting level they can add as many mechanics as they want to the game I will be ready for them.

Bloodmage refers to siphon/shadow/vampire/restoration

-Funnel health
-invigorating drain
-refreshing path/healing springs/Sap essence
-rapid regeneration
-Healing ward

-Devouring swarm/Soul siphon


Ill tell you this much Nightblade funnels deals damage and heals, it hasn't been proved yet if it can stack on itself but I think it grow in intensity the more you use it (would means I can easily outheal per second the best Templar just by stacking my funnel). Refreshing path last 3 time what Healing spring does and heals for the same amount altrought it doesn't restore mana when it hits a lot of target but this isn't alliance war this is dungeons. What makes healing Templar so interesting are their heavy heal spells but to be honest having a full heal ability is not required and Ive proven so far that I didn't need one, when a target is about to get nuked I shield it and it regenerate back to full health after a time problem solved. Party get nuked? healing zone and problem solved
The verdict is don't need a healing nuke to get the things done just as good as those priest wannabe.

My gear and build has evolved a lot since day 1 when I created it and it can rival the Templars in therm of party healing with ease. Who cares if I don't have a full heal spell I heal so much HP over time people barely get scratched. Templar has a few interesting spells but dedicating to Templar full heals means behing a damageless build as well due to the absence of damaging spell in the Templar healing lines. Most interesting Is i do the same job without problem and I deal damage at the same time... with a healing spell -_o. Resto staff on its own can do a similar job to Templars. Add to it a few class healing spells and you get something even better. Templar advantage is that it can use any weapon while still using his healing spell still some of the best healing spell in the game are bound to the restoration staff and as such using it should be mandatory to any healing build. Better yet the damaging effects of my spells benefits from restoration staff high health effect.

Ive main healed all dungeon in the game and save for the blessed crucible wich was somewhat difficult due to the absence of a tank and the fact two of us were vampires I never even had an issue with healing dungeons as a nightblade siphon user. Im effective and my team agree to it.

Looking forward to veteran in 1 lvl