Northern Elsweyr misleading
Ruinhorn
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Today I was searching through this page: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr because I forgot the date of release.
And noticed this image:
I know, there been a plenty of threads with discussions about renaming DLC to Northern Elsweyr and so on.
But hey, let's imagine I'm a new player and just heard ESO is getting a new big DLC.
I visit official website and check DLC page. And what I see there? I see an opportunity to explore Elsweyr!
Then I move to "Pre-purchase" page. I read all the description of a product I'm gonna buy and have no clue that I will receive only a half of it (Elsweyr).
The only tiny reference of a Northern Elsweyr can be found here:
On my opinion it is a dirty marketing, and only those who bothered to visit PTS, watch ESO streams or simply read forums know what they get.
But people which are new to ESO most likely miss it.
Probably Elsweyr DLC will be renamed later (to Anequina/Northern Elsweyr) or next DLC will be just named as Pellitine ot Elsweyr: Pellitine.
But maybe I'm wrong and ZOS actually clearly stated elsewhere that you get a northern part only despite of DLC name. Correct me here in such case.
Also added it to a poll like "Other" if you think that there's no poll options which suits to you. I tried to make a poll less biased and sorted options from "1 = wtf" to "5 = perfection".
Thanks.
P.S. I heard that on PTS, which I haven't played much, Elsweyr is advertised like "Northern Elsweyr" and same thing with Skyshards.
Edited by Ruinhorn on May 9, 2019 12:09PM Today I was searching through this page: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/elsweyr because I forgot the date of release.
And noticed this image:
I know, there been a plenty of threads with discussions about renaming DLC to Northern Elsweyr and so on.
But hey, let's imagine I'm a new player and just heard ESO is getting a new big DLC.
I visit official website and check DLC page. And what I see there? I see an opportunity to explore Elsweyr!
Then I move to "Pre-purchase" page. I read all the description of a product I'm gonna buy and have no clue that I will receive only a half of it (Elsweyr).
The only tiny reference of a Northern Elsweyr can be found here:
Which obviously just mention Anequina, but does not state that I get a northern part only. Moreover, the map above shows a really huge zone of Tamriel and "The Season Of the Dragon" roadmap clearly says "Elsweyr Chapter".Noble Clan-Chief Costume
The clans of Anequina in northern Elsweyr are largely nomadic, but they nonetheless have hereditary aristocracies who express their wealth and power through the splendor of their clothing.
On my opinion it is a dirty marketing, and only those who bothered to visit PTS, watch ESO streams or simply read forums know what they get.
But people which are new to ESO most likely miss it.
Which means you basically pay twice for a promised content.You can find adventure around almost every corner of Elsweyr as you venture into this majestic new zone, including challenging World Bosses, immersive Delves, and huge Public Dungeons. Whether you play solo or as a group, Elsweyr is filled with countless dangers and challenges.
Probably Elsweyr DLC will be renamed later (to Anequina/Northern Elsweyr) or next DLC will be just named as Pellitine ot Elsweyr: Pellitine.
But maybe I'm wrong and ZOS actually clearly stated elsewhere that you get a northern part only despite of DLC name. Correct me here in such case.
Also added it to a poll like "Other" if you think that there's no poll options which suits to you. I tried to make a poll less biased and sorted options from "1 = wtf" to "5 = perfection".
Thanks.
P.S. I heard that on PTS, which I haven't played much, Elsweyr is advertised like "Northern Elsweyr" and same thing with Skyshards.
Northern Elsweyr misleading 87 votes
Such misleading is equal to scam and dirty marketing, because everything (images, description) states you get Elsweyr, but not a half of it.
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There is a kind of misleading, but ZOS also have enough information like streams, PTS and etc. where you can check yourself what you gonna get. So, not a scam.
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Technically there is no information about "how much of Elsweyr" you get, and that map on official page only shows actual size of Elsweyr, but not a size of content you will get. I think it's fine.
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I don't really care much, because I get some other content like new class. Whether there is a half of Elsweyr or a full one, it's a fair price and I'd buy it anyway.
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Everything is fine: we get new content and I'm glad to play it anyway. I don't bother about calculating every piece I get with DLC.
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mague✭✭✭✭✭OtherI think you got that wrong. They even released the "real" map. There never was a doubt that it is not all of Elsweyr
Edited by mague on May 9, 2019 12:16PM7 -
Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭I think you got that wrong. They even released the "real" map. There never was a doubt that it is not all of ElsweyrBut hey, let's imagine I'm a new player and just heard ESO is getting a new big DLC.
I visit official website and check DLC page. And what I see there? I see an opportunity to explore Elsweyr!
Then I move to "Pre-purchase" page. I read all the description of a product I'm gonna buy and have no clue that I will receive only a half of it (Elsweyr).
and only those who bothered to visit PTS, watch ESO streams or simply read forums know what they get.
But people which are new to ESO most likely miss it.
I understand there's a wall of text, but I spent some time to write it and clearly mentioned that I'm talking from a position of new players.1 -
DBZVelena✭✭✭✭✭OtherWhere do you think southern Elsweyr is exactly?What are Natch Potes? Can you eat those?
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Streega✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is a kind of misleading, but ZOS also have enough information like streams, PTS and etc. where you can check yourself what you gonna get. So, not a scam.Where do you think southern Elsweyr is exactly?
South from Northern Elsweyr?
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Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭Where do you think southern Elsweyr is exactly?
Obviously to the south from northern part.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Elsweyr
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453332/expansion-will-only-cover-anequina-northern-elsweyr/p1
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Nimrhys✭✭✭Everything is fine: we get new content and I'm glad to play it anyway. I don't bother about calculating every piece I get with DLC.Is it not the same as Morrowind actually being Vvardenfell? I don’t mind. Newbies would probably be confused if they said “Northern Elsweyr” and Vvardenfell.7
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Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭Is it not the same as Morrowind actually being Vvardenfell? I don’t mind. Newbies would probably be confused if they said “Northern Elsweyr” and Vvardenfell.
Good point. But I've just checked that page and it's clearly stated "Vvardenfell".
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/morrowindReturn to Morrowind
Explore the iconic island of Vvardenfell1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Of course it was never gonna be the full map and I've not read a single article or looked at a single map. The only way that was ever gonna happen would have been to break up the entire place a la DC, AD or EP. That was never gonna happen. We'd have heard about that one straight off the bat.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorry. Poll was overly done so I am just going to leave my simple comments below.
"Southern" Craglorn was the first content added to the game post launch and it was simply called Craglorn as it was the only Craglorn in the game.
For that reason alone the notions of renaming this new zone not justified. The current name it totally appropriate. It would be especially wrong to change the name if Zos plans to add the remaining portions of the area and have it as one zone like both sections of Craglorn are today.
I think some people just like to nitpick a little.Edited by idk on May 9, 2019 4:36PM4 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Technically there is no information about "how much of Elsweyr" you get, and that map on official page only shows actual size of Elsweyr, but not a size of content you will get. I think it's fine.Wait in till the rest of the year is over....then moan.
Hey I like the fact they did not spread the zone out, more in-depth content please
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Shalktonin✭✭✭Is it not the same as Morrowind actually being Vvardenfell? I don’t mind. Newbies would probably be confused if they said “Northern Elsweyr” and Vvardenfell.
Good point. But I've just checked that page and it's clearly stated "Vvardenfell".
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/updates/chapter/morrowindReturn to Morrowind
Explore the iconic island of Vvardenfell
I'm a new player and i honestly couldn't care less. Most new players like me wouldn't know or care about the difference between northern and southern elseqyr its new content they could call it snuffleupagus and as a new player i would be fine with it.
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✭✭✭✭✭We’ll probably be getting the southern half in Q4. It may even be free (like the DLC last year that was given as a daily reward).0 -
grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭Im 100% sure we are going south in q4. Cant wait till we can openly talk about it.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »We’ll probably be getting the southern half in Q4. It may even be free (like the DLC last year that was given as a daily reward).grizzledcroc wrote: »Im 100% sure we are going south in q4. Cant wait till we can openly talk about it.
Pretty much what I have been saying. Just like Craglorn reads as one zone, it was added in two separate updates. The lower section that was added first was merely called Craglorn.
For that reason alone this new zone we are about to get should not be named on the map as North anything.
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These arguments about Craglorn and how it was added are confusing to me.
If only half of Craglorn was added and just called “Craglorn,” that sets a precedent, but not necessarily a correct one. To be accurate, it should have been called Lower Craglorn when it was introduced, since the zone wasn’t actually Craglorn but a piece of it that has a more specific name. Naming it that would also have created anticipation that Upper Craglorn was to come, making players excited about more content along those lines.
To me the Craglorn analogy can be read like this: If one does a math problem messily and has to go back and correct it, does that mean one should insist on repeating the process for every new problem and then repeat the correction? Why not learn from all that and get it right the first time? Just because they’ve done something in one way before doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be done again.
The zone of Elsweyr (the one that we can see on the PTS, to clarify) should really be named Northern Elsweyr - exactly as are its treasure maps and doors. If it doesn’t happen now, it will happen if Southern Elsweyr is introduced. Why not avoid confusion and just call it properly from the beginning?
The chapter name is another issue again. Personally I don’t mind the chapter being named Elsweyr so much as I mind the map in the ad, which is a visual promise that we’ll be getting all of Elsweyr (that isn’t already in game) with the chapter. I find that misleading given what we currently know. Even if Q4 DLC includes the rest of the zone, and even if they include that as a free reward a la Murkmire, it will not (as far as we know) be part of the Elsweyr chapter itself. Even including it as a daily login reward doesn’t mean all chapter-owners will necessarily get it free.
So while it’s fair to say that we can visit Elsweyr with this chapter, it’s not right to my mind to show the whole map of Elsweyr as a way of drawing sales if we only get Northern Elsweyr with the chapter. (That’s equivocation if they call the chapter Elsweyr because we can visit a part of it, but they show a map of all of Elsweyr because the chapter is called that.) I don’t think it reaches the level of “scam,” but it is certainly misleading. The way it would not be misleading is if Q4 DLC is in fact Southern Elsweyr and is released free to Elsweyr chapter owners. But of course we have no official announcement about the Q4 DLC zone or Southern Elsweyr yet.
Nit-picky? Perhaps it seems so. But we’re no strangers to misleading advertisement at this point, and I don’t think we should be giving benefit of the doubt in that area or seeking to justify it when it occurs.3 -
Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭These arguments about Craglorn and how it was added are confusing to me.
If only half of Craglorn was added and just called “Craglorn,” that sets a precedent, but not necessarily a correct one. To be accurate, it should have been called Lower Craglorn when it was introduced, since the zone wasn’t actually Craglorn but a piece of it that has a more specific name. Naming it that would also have created anticipation that Upper Craglorn was to come, making players excited about more content along those lines.
To me the Craglorn analogy can be read like this: If one does a math problem messily and has to go back and correct it, does that mean one should insist on repeating the process for every new problem and then repeat the correction? Why not learn from all that and get it right the first time? Just because they’ve done something in one way before doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be done again.
The zone of Elsweyr (the one that we can see on the PTS, to clarify) should really be named Northern Elsweyr - exactly as are its treasure maps and doors. If it doesn’t happen now, it will happen if Southern Elsweyr is introduced. Why not avoid confusion and just call it properly from the beginning?
The chapter name is another issue again. Personally I don’t mind the chapter being named Elsweyr so much as I mind the map in the ad, which is a visual promise that we’ll be getting all of Elsweyr (that isn’t already in game) with the chapter. I find that misleading given what we currently know. Even if Q4 DLC includes the rest of the zone, and even if they include that as a free reward a la Murkmire, it will not (as far as we know) be part of the Elsweyr chapter itself. Even including it as a daily login reward doesn’t mean all chapter-owners will necessarily get it free.
So while it’s fair to say that we can visit Elsweyr with this chapter, it’s not right to my mind to show the whole map of Elsweyr as a way of drawing sales if we only get Northern Elsweyr with the chapter. (That’s equivocation if they call the chapter Elsweyr because we can visit a part of it, but they show a map of all of Elsweyr because the chapter is called that.) I don’t think it reaches the level of “scam,” but it is certainly misleading. The way it would not be misleading is if Q4 DLC is in fact Southern Elsweyr and is released free to Elsweyr chapter owners. But of course we have no official announcement about the Q4 DLC zone or Southern Elsweyr yet.
Nit-picky? Perhaps it seems so. But we’re no strangers to misleading advertisement at this point, and I don’t think we should be giving benefit of the doubt in that area or seeking to justify it when it occurs.
Your reply summed up my idea very well, thanks!
If I remember correctly, Craglorn was a free DLC, because it was introduced before Tamriel Unlimited and Crown Store. Which means that technically its price was included into your subscription you paid anyway just to play ESO.
Now ESO is B2P and all DLC need to be bought separately. It's a good example someone mentioned above, because I really forgot that Craglorn was implemented in 2 steps. But analogy with Elsweyr is not accurate here.
Regarding being nitpicky... Yes, it is. People do some job (=develop MMO), others pay for this job (=buy product). Usually customers want to know what they actually buy and get for money they pay, it's not a lottery... Oh, wait.0 -
Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭Technically there is no information about "how much of Elsweyr" you get, and that map on official page only shows actual size of Elsweyr, but not a size of content you will get. I think it's fine.I mean Morrowind was just Vvardenfell0 -
Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »I mean Morrowind was just Vvardenfell
If only this wasn't changed later, I don't remember.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6041586/#Comment_6041586
Again, the general idea is "what is written" and "what you get".
I thought I gave enough examples in links to explain my idea, even with poor vocabulary.0 -
spacebandit✭✭✭There is a kind of misleading, but ZOS also have enough information like streams, PTS and etc. where you can check yourself what you gonna get. So, not a scam.I expected southern Elsweyr before I got any information.0
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Imperial_Voice✭✭✭✭✭
✭Technically there is no information about "how much of Elsweyr" you get, and that map on official page only shows actual size of Elsweyr, but not a size of content you will get. I think it's fine.Imperial_Voice wrote: »I mean Morrowind was just Vvardenfell
If only this wasn't changed later, I don't remember.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6041586/#Comment_6041586
Again, the general idea is "what is written" and "what you get".
I thought I gave enough examples in links to explain my idea, even with poor vocabulary.
Still wouldn't matter. The original game "Morrowind" featured only the island of Vvardenfell (plus Solstheim and Mournhold with expansions)0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These arguments about Craglorn and how it was added are confusing to me.
If only half of Craglorn was added and just called “Craglorn,” that sets a precedent, but not necessarily a correct one. To be accurate, it should have been called Lower Craglorn when it was introduced, since the zone wasn’t actually Craglorn but a piece of it that has a more specific name. Naming it that would also have created anticipation that Upper Craglorn was to come, making players excited about more content along those lines.
Since there was only one Craglorn it made absolute sense to call it only Craglorn. After Upper Craglorn was added we called the combined entire zone Craglorn.
Look at your map, the zones. There is only one Craglorn. The same makes sense for Elsweyr as it would be silly to call it North Elsweyr then change it's name to just Elsweyr after the rest is added.
Talk about doing it the confusing way. Which is why your argument lacks the logic you think it has.
Edited by idk on May 9, 2019 10:35PM0 -
grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭In the end , I hope the south has unique architecture as its ment to be more weathier.0
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mateosalvaje✭✭✭✭Everything is fine: we get new content and I'm glad to play it anyway. I don't bother about calculating every piece I get with DLC.I like the options you provided. Not that I've played it yet, but Elsweyr seems to have a lot more height differences than other zones. So I feel like that'll make up for the flat-wise size of the map. Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I'm in it for the new class and stories 😇I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.0
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WatchYourSixx✭✭✭✭So when Skyrim inevitably comes you want them to say "western-central Skyrim"? Or "hammerfell excluding parts of bangkorai"? Or how about "blackmarsh excluding shadowfen and murkmire"? Or for the current expansion maybe they should say "northern elswyr excluding half of reapers March"The only thing to fear is, fear itself. - FDR
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Ruinhorn✭✭✭✭WatchYourSixx wrote: »So when Skyrim inevitably comes you want them to say "western-central Skyrim"? Or "hammerfell excluding parts of bangkorai"? Or how about "blackmarsh excluding shadowfen and murkmire"? Or for the current expansion maybe they should say "northern elswyr excluding half of reapers March"
No-no-no. I'm starting to think I really described everything wrong...
The talk is not about name itself, it's fine as it was with Morrowind.
Read my post carefully please. I provided some quotes, links and screenshots.
While Morrowind page clearly states that we're going to explore Vvardenfell, Elsweyr page clearly states (both in words and images) we're gonna explore Elsweyr. I even made some quotes bold and provided a screenshot from official Elsweyr page.
There is nothing wrong with naming. We get Elsweyr-themed DLC, as we probably get another one later. It's fine.
People either forgot how to read anything longer than 2 sentences, or I was really bad in explaining my idea and need to rewrite it from scratch.Edited by Ruinhorn on May 9, 2019 11:21PM0 -
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✭✭OtherThe should rename the zone to nothern elsweyr to match the load screan0
