Vualt of umbrage

akredon_ESO · May 2019

Why is the RNG on this round so mind Numblingly annoying. I know for a fact i could get my no death run easily on the remaining levels, But EVERY time i push for it a random mushroom spawns right damn in the middle of me and i get screwed

at this point i dont even know what i am doing wrong

Kel · May 2019

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Why is the RNG on this round so mind Numblingly annoying. I know for a fact i could get my no death run easily on the remaining levels, But EVERY time i push for it a random mushroom spawns right damn in the middle of me and i get screwed at this point i dont even know what i am doing wrong

Same thing happens to me. I'll kill one of the lightning npc's on the last boss, and I'll be damned if 9 times out of 10 a mushroom will spawn under the other ones shield.

RNG is cruel.

AbysmalGhul · May 2019

Every video I've ever seen, show people casually dancing through them and setting them off safely like it's nothing. I, on the other-hand, have one planted at every 3 feet of the map like a maze. I can set one off at a tippy toe distance away from the cleansing pool and die on cooldown.

Out of the billion times I've completed VMA, I made it through without dying once. I find it funny that the plants are more OP than the Behemoth.

Runefang · May 2019

The vast majority of the time it’s nothing to do with RNG. It’s about positioning and timing. The only mistake, in my opinion, was allowing the poison callers to spawn during the shout phase.

TriangularChicken · May 2019

Runefang wrote: »

The vast majority of the time it’s nothing to do with RNG. It’s about positioning and timing. The only mistake, in my opinion, was allowing the poison callers to spawn during the shout phase.

this!

commodore64 · May 2019

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Why is the RNG on this round so mind Numblingly annoying. I know for a fact i could get my no death run easily on the remaining levels, But EVERY time i push for it a random mushroom spawns right damn in the middle of me and i get screwed at this point i dont even know what i am doing wrong

You could always try to vualt over it :P

AndyMac · May 2019

I could be a cynic but I suspect the mechanic is there as a flawless killer.

Occasionally I find I can shield and heal the poison under the bubble through the scream and then sprint for the pool - not always though

Vildebill · May 2019

But what is worse, the Vault of Umbradge or Assault of Umbridge?
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Feanor · May 2019

@Vildebill

The Vault hands down. Umbridge wasn’t a very capable witch.

MaleAmazon · May 2019

It´s way annoying. But you can get rid of the flowers sometimes when there´s a lull, by deliberately running over them. Just don´t be too fast or too slow.

IDK if having settings that allow those really bright colours for AOEs help. Don´t have it myself.

It is doable though, screws me up maybe 40% of the time?

getemshauna · May 2019

If you run for a FQ, don't push the boss into adds phase before Toxic Caller spawns.

HelixUnited · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Why is the RNG on this round so mind Numblingly annoying. I know for a fact i could get my no death run easily on the remaining levels, But EVERY time i push for it a random mushroom spawns right damn in the middle of me and i get screwed at this point i dont even know what i am doing wrong

Same thing happens to me. I'll kill one of the lightning npc's on the last boss, and I'll be damned if 9 times out of 10 a mushroom will spawn under the other ones shield.

RNG is cruel.

the same thing is happening with me, iv not been lucky enough to clear final round yet but still i get to this boss and lose most if not all my lives so if i ever did get a clear on all other rounds id lose out on no death due to the stupid rng of the mushrooms

Stebarnz · May 2019

Burn through the mechs, i.e ignore lightning mages and focus dps the boss in a safe place before flower spawn starts.

FatelessLava · May 2019

AndyMac wrote: »

I could be a cynic but I suspect the mechanic is there as a flawless killer.

For sure lol. Killed my first flawless that way.

What I found really helpful is putting the healing barrier on for that fight as a clutch. Saved me a few times. You lose some damage, but I find the extra cushion helps.

Kel · May 2019

Runefang wrote: »

The vast majority of the time it’s nothing to do with RNG. It’s about positioning and timing. The only mistake, in my opinion, was allowing the poison callers to spawn during the shout phase.

The mushroom spawns are random though. You can position and time all you like, won't stop the spawning under your feet issue.

I've got my flawless several times over, on a number of different classes. But many a 1 death run is caused by those damn mushrooms and thier random spawn.
That's completely RNG.

Jimmy · May 2019

People are still complaining about this?

The solution is easy, if you get mushroomed, spam harness magicka until you make it to the cleansing pool.
Cleanse.
Resume round.

I've never had issues here because of mushrooms. Moment I'm poisoned, it's spam harness magicka and run to pool.

Now, if you end up using your pools because you are reckless around the arena, well, be more careful.

Kel · May 2019

Jimmy wrote: »

People are still complaining about this?

The solution is easy, if you get mushroomed, spam harness magicka until you make it to the cleansing pool.
Cleanse.
Resume round.

I've never had issues here because of mushrooms. Moment I'm poisoned, it's spam harness magicka and run to pool.

Now, if you end up using your pools because you are reckless around the arena, well, be more careful.

Cool. Forget stamina classes, right. Just use shields.

Easy.

vesselwiththepestle · May 2019

On magicka DPS you can shield through and get to the cleansing area.

As stamina DPS you are mostly dead when hit by the poison, typically I can make like two steps in the direction of the cleansing area even with Vigor ticking.

It helps to keep awareness of your surroundings. Also, most of the guides say to kill those poison guys as fast as possible. I found out that it is not true for me. When I start getting there as fast as possible (as I play melee mostly and a Poison Injection alone would take it's time), I get hit by new poison blossoms all the time. I tried a charge ability, which works great in the ice stage, but is suicidal in the poison stage. I learned I needed mostly to keep a cool head, a calm mind and the poison guys aren't pirority at all. They die fast and they are not dangerous, as long as you stay away from the blossoms. In the right moment kill them, but don't force it. Be careful to not stand inside the trash mobs, but have always clear sight around you, for example, don't run if you don't need to, normal walking (while DPS'ing) gives you better reaction time etc.

That said, RNG in that arena is brutal, mostly at final boss. If you get a blossom right under the damage shield from the adds, that's it mostly and you just need to learn to stay calm and to accept that this arena is made to frustrate players.

siddique · May 2019

I've never had an issue in this round. The mushroom spawns under shield randomly but it's not as common as I'd thought, at least not yet. I find the last boss of this stage to be one of the easiest actually.

It's the damn spider boss from the previous stage that annoys the life out of me.

Jimmy · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Jimmy wrote: »

People are still complaining about this?

The solution is easy, if you get mushroomed, spam harness magicka until you make it to the cleansing pool.
Cleanse.
Resume round.

I've never had issues here because of mushrooms. Moment I'm poisoned, it's spam harness magicka and run to pool.

Now, if you end up using your pools because you are reckless around the arena, well, be more careful.

Cool. Forget stamina classes, right. Just use shields.

Easy.

You must be one of those people who don't adapt or change based on challenges in front of you. If an Arena requires a different set-up, then change. Don't sit there and pout because 1 singular set-up doesn't get you through 9 different arenas.

Feanor · May 2019

@siddique

Stage 6 is actually not hard if you prioritize correctly. Webspinners are top priority, then Hoarvors, then the mini spider boss (because of the snare), then adds, then everything else. Burst the boss when you stun by dewebbing the 5th pillar. Rinse repeat.

Corpier · May 2019

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Why is the RNG on this round so mind Numblingly annoying. I know for a fact i could get my no death run easily on the remaining levels, But EVERY time i push for it a random mushroom spawns right damn in the middle of me and i get screwed at this point i dont even know what i am doing wrong

L2P issue. Clearly.

Acharnor · May 2019

It is an infuriating round! I got better and better with practice but it still happened. I know I could get through that round without dying otherwise. I have uttered many unrepeatable curses during that round.

Acharnor · May 2019

siddique wrote: »

It's the damn spider boss from the previous stage that annoys the life out of me.

OMG yes!!!! I hate that boss with a passion. I struggled more there than anywhere I think.

Acharnor · May 2019

Me again. One thing that did make that round easier for me was changing the color of the warning that they were blooming to do there AOE. I turned mine a bright turquoise. Actually helpful in many settings for me. Red just did not always register for me.

kylewwefan · May 2019

I had seen a diagram of the safe spot on the forums somewhere. The edge of the cleansing pool closest to the boss spawn was good safe place to fight. After the first scream...if you live, you can finish him off where he stands or go back to the corner as far as you can get into it.

It helped me to slow kill the last troll til a poison caller would come out during the last fight instead of right at the beginning of the main boss fight.

Also, if you’re trying for Flawless remember there’s incredibly powerful sigils you can use.

siddique · May 2019

Feanor wrote: »

@siddique

Stage 6 is actually not hard if you prioritize correctly. Webspinners are top priority, then Hoarvors, then the mini spider boss (because of the snare), then adds, then everything else. Burst the boss when you stun by dewebbing the 5th pillar. Rinse repeat.

Yes but the problem is by the time I spot a webspinner he's already wrapped the pillar 😂 I need to l2p that stage better. I eventually get her after a few deaths and without stunning her. Once I managed to stun her it was a piece of cake then.

DocFrost72 · May 2019

You have total control over what position the adds are in when the screaming starts. Make sure the one you're using as a fallout shelter isn't near shrooms before you trigger the big dumb lizard.

Also,

The mushroom spawner add dies to the boss' scream. Every time I've witnessed it, it kills the add BEFORE the mushrooms pop, and thus renders them harmless if you position your dome well.

MaleAmazon · May 2019

Rounds are different in difficulty for different characters and depending on technique. Once I learned to bash-aggro the hoarvors instead of messing with the buggy synergy-conflict as a werewolf, Spiral Shadows got a whole lot easier for me. Ice arena can still be a mess though, without ranged damage.

Ironically considering it´s a poison arena, Umbrage is pretty easy for me apart from the RNG flowers.

akredon_ESO · May 2019

also i should have mentioned The issue for me isn't the poison spawners xD
my problem is i will go to DPS one of the archers and will be dpsing them and BAM mushroom at ground zero and its like FKKK i have tried to run out of it... I have tried to dodge roll out of it in time.. and no matter what if you are smack dab on top of it, you cant get out

. I have decent ping (80-150) so dont think thats is an issue. I got a Health build i am going to play around with and see if i can cheese this place >:D I dont find VMA hard and i have completed it countless times. for my flawless run its just an issue with these durn mushrooms >:|

AbysmalGhul · May 2019

Jimmy wrote: »

People are still complaining about this?

The solution is easy, if you get mushroomed, spam harness magicka until you make it to the cleansing pool.
Cleanse.
Resume round.

I've never had issues here because of mushrooms. Moment I'm poisoned, it's spam harness magicka and run to pool.

Now, if you end up using your pools because you are reckless around the arena, well, be more careful.

Doesn't always work....

I've literally been poisoned an inch from the cleansing pool and died before I could walk into it. I've even been killed by the poison on cooldown after the stage was finished and I was repairing gear before entering the portal. That stage is an RNG nightmare for flawless runs.