Zergs, ganking, bowtards... why the hate?

Berenhir · May 2019

technohic wrote: »

The "its war" comments crack me up. Must still be wet behind the ears because this is a video game. Far from war. The people who say it probably would struggle to be in a tough neighborhood let alone a war.

Comparing the setting of Cyrodiil to a war zone shall only illuminate the assumption that there are no rules and thus every strategy that leads to victory is a valid strategy.

Problem is that this is already not true for real warfare as there are numerous strategies that lead to victory but also to a trial in front of an international court or other means of repercussion.

The thing people hate about gettin zerged is that even if they play it well, have a superior build and superior skills, they are not rewarded for being the better player but still lose the encounter.
This is a rather stupid mechanic in a game as games are meant to be fun for the individual being good at it. ZOS constantly tries to cut the "being good at it" part to make the game appealing to a broader playerbase. This has been an ongoing process for many years. Paired with the social aspect of individuals fighting each other and the glee of basically mentally disabled zerglings for having amassed enough badies to kill decent players they died to hundreds and thousands times before makes for a very toxic gaming experience.

As with gankers it's different. A good ganker who is able to oneshot people or at least combo them without abusing broken game mechanics (I'm looking at you, silver leash!) is usually hated but respected.
It's different with people who snipe others mid combat, as they are no real gankers but just interfere with a good fight from afar without risk or repercussion to gain AP. This is usually seen as a despicable gaming style as it has no risk/reward balance, no skill involved and just memes the "play to improve" mind set that is the underlying philosophy of most good PvP players.

MaleAmazon · May 2019

I am a proud occasional bowtard in PvP, and I'm sure some people think I am a worthless player since they can kill me pretty easily if they catch me.

What I suppose they might not consider, is that a major reason I go down so easily is that I sacrifice almost all defensive stats in order to be able to be effective with the bow...

MooseKnuckles88 · May 2019

Casterial wrote: »

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I've been killed without knowing who or what killed me, and zerged down when i'm alone so many times... it's par for the course, as far as i am concerned.

Besides, on another thread, one had a very valid point: they zerged you down because they thought you could put down a camp and let your buddies respawn.

But.......My AP 25k AP for that camp for baddies to respawn?!

25k AP is a drop in the bucket for PvPers, so yes. A hardcore pvper has no problem dropping a camp and calling in back up to potentially make that AP back or double it depending on what is about to unfold in the coming minutes

Berenhir · May 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

kerthas wrote: »

And no the strengh isn't with number. You have the strengh mainly with your brain, which means improve your skills, and using the field in your advantage. The numbers is just the easy way.

Exactly, you're right, this is what i want to say!
Using superior numbers is an easy way to victory, so why should i not use it? Same goes for bow and ganking.
My objective is to win the campaign, not to improve my skills or become a better player. So if something makes me win the campaign easier, i will gladly use it.

That's the core issue. I mean it's fine, you can play for the map, you can play for transmutation geodes, you can play for AP or as a random activity in the evening.

Just don't expect to be respected by people with other gaming goals for your playstyle. For those people, you are probably just scum and an example of what is wrong with Cyrodiil.

Which also is a valid opinion, just as your zergling mentality is for you

MattT1988 · May 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

I’m Australian, so even if there was the slightest chance I’d be willing to go back in there, I wouldn’t as my game crashes and lags out the moment 3 or 4 enemies pop up on the screen.
Plus I hate Zerging and ganking. I don’t want to play those play styles and I don’t want to play with or against anyone who does, seeing as those two are two of the most common play styles that you see there, I ain’t interested. So don’t tell me to try PvP trying to paint it as this cool place that will grow on me. It won’t, so don’t give me that spiel.

You go there for the ‘thrill’ or ‘the feeling’ or whatever. Great, whatever floats your boat. But it’s still just a game, not a real war. So your always going to have people who are treating it like as a fun competitive game instead of a real war as some people seem too.

I'm sorry if it came as patronizing, i didn't mean to: i thought you never tried PVP, and just suggested you might find it fun.
I understand why you don't like it, and sorry again if i came along as rude!

That alright bud. No worries.

technohic · May 2019

Browiseth wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

The "its war" comments crack me up. Must still be wet behind the ears because this is a video game. Far from war. The people who say it probably would struggle to be in a tough neighborhood let alone a war.

i'm worried it comes from a place of being unable to recognize the disconnect between the game and reality. remember in the early 2000s when every news station liked to pretend people were unable to realise video games aren't like real life and we always laughed?

comments like "it's just like a real war get over it" make me wonder if FOX news was right all along.

edit: not specifically poking at you OP. i see the "well in real life-" excuse/defense pop up a lot in these forums, so it's more directed at the wider issue.

I think it just people glorifying what they are doing is all. Its just a little naive.

As far as their point goes; I have ran a snipe build before but its mostly trolling type entertainment. I don't feel rewarded for playing well and players on the receiving end either die without chance to respond, or wind up being tanky and just annoyed. And there are tons out there just waiting for the right chance to snipe gank from safety and most of the time it is just an annoyance without much compelling gameplay.

I have zerged and still do once a week. Its also not very rewarding really outside of just BSing with guildies and that is the entire point of that night. You don't really use your full build and you are kind of vulnerable in that controlled CC usually cannot happen and Vicious Death is a real thing if you are surrounded by squishy PvEers. I get the social aspect of it, and it being anice spot for people not so experienced in PvP and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't see how it can be fun every night, and on the receiving end its just irritating when the trend now is to stack more than 2 full raids and some pushing 100+ to where the game lags so bad that even in such huge numbers; they win because of lag making them have better odds of getting an ability off just based on numbers.

The same can be said for organized group play. Can be the most rewarding large scale play there is in groups coordinating target and ultimates; but clustered up in a ball so tight with 0 collision detection making it nearly impossible to target anyone who has lost health as they can just disappear in the blob out of LOS; all the while spamming AOEs and also lagging the entire map out of abilities while running over PUGs 1 by 1. There's nothing to be proud of at that point. All of them will claim that they want good fights, but I sat and watched Drac the other night move from the east of Ales to the south to engage another AD ball group, and they were at it a while, of course lagging the entire server while they did; but eventually I assume someone won and it ended and it appeared to me that the AD ball group avoided Drac the rest of the night. Speaks volumes of character there. I at least respect Drac for stopping what they were doing on the east of Ales to go engage.

In short; basically everything is a valid playstyle but there are limits and realizing that this is a game and some things are just not healthy for the game when taken to the extreme. We all could use to be a little considerate to that fact if we really want the game to last. I know; there's someone out there saying that its up to ZOS to make servers work and balance things; but the lack of them doing their part does not mean we should just ignore our impact if we want to keep enjoying parts of the game that we do.

Kel · May 2019

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I don't really get why all the hate towards specific tactics (either group or "solo") in PVP.
I mean... it's war. Everything goes.
Zerging is a valid tactic for swarming an enemy with numbers, bow is a valid weapon for whittling enemy forces from afar, and so on...
If one needs honorable, balanced matches, than it should look towards BG or Duels.

But war... war never changes.

The only thing Ive ever hated in CyroPvP is the 1vX builds that take 20+ players to burn down. To me that has nothing to do with tactics but instead broken abilities and a CP system not kept in check.

Golden_Cat · May 2019

Berenhir wrote: »

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

kerthas wrote: »

And no the strengh isn't with number. You have the strengh mainly with your brain, which means improve your skills, and using the field in your advantage. The numbers is just the easy way.

Exactly, you're right, this is what i want to say!
Using superior numbers is an easy way to victory, so why should i not use it? Same goes for bow and ganking.
My objective is to win the campaign, not to improve my skills or become a better player. So if something makes me win the campaign easier, i will gladly use it.

That's the core issue. I mean it's fine, you can play for the map, you can play for transmutation geodes, you can play for AP or as a random activity in the evening.

Just don't expect to be respected by people with other gaming goals for your playstyle. For those people, you are probably just scum and an example of what is wrong with Cyrodiil.

Which also is a valid opinion, just as your zergling mentality is for you

So you just insult other people because they have different goals and playstyle?

You and lots of other whiny players dont respect anyone, never learn anything or at least try to adapt to the playstyle of the zone you ảe in.

Jeremy · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Why would some getting ganged up on by a zerg of 5+ to 1 hurt their "ego"? If anything, it would good for their ego because it shows their enemies can't t fight fair and have to outnumber and gang up on them to win. So I don't understand that argument at all. There is nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about because people have to gang up on you to beat you. If anything, it's their ego that is probably taking the hit.

I know I sure wouldn't feel proud about if I had to gang up someone to win. It would actually make me feel nothing but respect for that person.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · May 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I don't really get why all the hate towards specific tactics (either group or "solo") in PVP.
I mean... it's war. Everything goes.
Zerging is a valid tactic for swarming an enemy with numbers, bow is a valid weapon for whittling enemy forces from afar, and so on...
If one needs honorable, balanced matches, than it should look towards BG or Duels.

But war... war never changes.

when people cant GITGUD...they has to rage.

kerthas · May 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The only thing Ive ever hated in CyroPvP is the 1vX builds that take 20+ players to burn down. To me that has nothing to do with tactics but instead broken abilities and a CP system not kept in check.

Thing is, most of those "1vX" builds are used by a lot of people who are zerging or whatever other playstyle. Thats the thing people don't realize. Build matters, but not as much as the skills.

Waffennacht · May 2019

Seriously doubt people would get so bummed if it wasn't for the horse ride/tedious-ness to get to any decent battles in Cyrodiil

Jeremy · May 2019

Waffennacht wrote: »

Seriously doubt people would get so bummed if it wasn't for the horse ride/tedious-ness to get to any decent battles in Cyrodiil

I suspect it has to do the event. People are trying to quest and get zerged down in the process. I can be annoying.

CaliMade · May 2019

It is a war game, and if your “allowed” to be spineless then i'm “allowed” to roast you for it.

If im fighting 3-4 players and i direct my entire attention away from people actively beating on me to look for a gutless rodent in the back Sniping just to cloak and hide from me simply looking in their general direction i’m “allowed” to be genuinely annoyed.

tbh it wouldn’t be as annoying if it wasn’t so effective. you got Stam dks and wardens running around in heavy armor with 5k+ weapon damage and i will ignore them in a heartbeat to focus down a snipe spammer, why? because The mechanic is broken, the minute i ignore the snipe spammer i get desync’d and die. Add to it The fact that you can cast snipe from cloak AND be back in cloak after landing 4-5 of them to this day is the most toxic mechanic in eso. So not only is it a spineless and playstyle that’s unhealthy for the game, its also an exploit.

I have no issues with zergs, with the nerf to Earthgore and the removal of AOE caps i see no exploitation in that. Its just a playstyle at that point, now if snipe no longer desyncs and the cast time pulls you from stealth. then at that point by all means maim yourself and hold this 20k frag for being in cyro with 0 impen you snake.

alanmatillab16_ESO · May 2019

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I don't really get why all the hate towards specific tactics (either group or "solo") in PVP.
I mean... it's war. Everything goes.
Zerging is a valid tactic for swarming an enemy with numbers, bow is a valid weapon for whittling enemy forces from afar, and so on...
If one needs honorable, balanced matches, than it should look towards BG or Duels.

But war... war never changes.

True, but also waiting to ambush your enemy at a choke point is a valid tactic but try that in any pvp game and everyone starts whining "camper"

Kel · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Why would some getting ganged up on by a zerg of 5+ to 1 hurt their "ego"? If anything, it would good for their ego because it shows their enemies can't t fight fair and have to outnumber and gang up on them to win. So I don't understand that argument at all. There is nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about because people have to gang up on you to beat you. If anything, it's their ego that is probably taking the hit.

I know I sure wouldn't feel proud about if I had to gang up someone to win. It would actually make me feel nothing but respect for that person.

That's because you're only talking about half of what I said to try arguing with me. Don't think I dont recognize your name.
You can see in this very thread where people are complaining about 1vX players as well.
It's about losing in general. You get x'ed from a solo player when you out number them, you see complaints. You see a solo player get zerged, you see complaints.

It all comes from the same place...you can't handle taking that L.

But please, keep cherry picking your arguments. It's what you're good at...🤭

Jeremy · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Why would some getting ganged up on by a zerg of 5+ to 1 hurt their "ego"? If anything, it would good for their ego because it shows their enemies can't t fight fair and have to outnumber and gang up on them to win. So I don't understand that argument at all. There is nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about because people have to gang up on you to beat you. If anything, it's their ego that is probably taking the hit.

I know I sure wouldn't feel proud about if I had to gang up someone to win. It would actually make me feel nothing but respect for that person.

That's because you're only talking about half of what I said to try arguing with me. Don't think I dont recognize your name.
You can see in this very thread where people are complaining about 1vX players as well.
It's about losing in general. You get x'ed from a solo player when you out number them, you see complaints. You see a solo player get zerged, you see complaints.

It all comes from the same place...you can't handle taking that L.

But please, keep cherry picking your arguments. It's what you're good at...🤭

Unfortunately I have no idea why you would recognize my name or what it is you are referring to. But I'm older now and my memory not so good. I have trouble remembering where I put my keys - let alone the names of forum avatars.

I was also unaware I was "cherry picking" my argument or that it was something i was "good at". But it seems you are an expert on me so I'll refer to you on that subject. Far be it for me to argue with some stranger on the internet about what I'm supposedly good at. ^^

But my point was I doubt anyone gets a bruised ego because they were ganged up on. So I would reconsider that position if I were you - because I seriously seriously doubt that's what is going on here.

HowlKimchi · May 2019

Casterial wrote: »

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

I don't really get why all the hate towards specific tactics (either group or "solo") in PVP.
I mean... it's war. Everything goes.
Zerging is a valid tactic for swarming an enemy with numbers, bow is a valid weapon for whittling enemy forces from afar, and so on...
If one needs honorable, balanced matches, than it should look towards BG or Duels.

But war... war never changes.

I mean, why do 20+ need to chase 1 down?

For example AD owned Nikel and Roe. A zerg approaching Ash saw me, chased me ALL THE WAY TO ROE. 20+ AD.

I'd say that's a job well done on your part distracting 20+ people.

Jameliel · May 2019

Some of the mentally challenged people I play with say there is no counterplay for snipe. Yet they never played a sniper. Since they like melee with their great ping, they expect everyone else to play their style only. As if it's so easy to counter their numerous builds with 300+ ping.

There are simply a lot of selfish whiners in the game. They dont complain about actual bugs, but hate every playstyle different from their own. Most of it is total nonsense as well.

Shardaxx · May 2019

Some people just like to whine. They think they are so superior to everyone else, that when they get killed they have to blame something.

JobooAGS · May 2019

Is it a bowtard if it uses crushing weapon instead of snipe?

Haashhtaag · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Why would some getting ganged up on by a zerg of 5+ to 1 hurt their "ego"? If anything, it would good for their ego because it shows their enemies can't t fight fair and have to outnumber and gang up on them to win. So I don't understand that argument at all. There is nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about because people have to gang up on you to beat you. If anything, it's their ego that is probably taking the hit.

I know I sure wouldn't feel proud about if I had to gang up someone to win. It would actually make me feel nothing but respect for that person.

That's because you're only talking about half of what I said to try arguing with me. Don't think I dont recognize your name.
You can see in this very thread where people are complaining about 1vX players as well.
It's about losing in general. You get x'ed from a solo player when you out number them, you see complaints. You see a solo player get zerged, you see complaints.

It all comes from the same place...you can't handle taking that L.

But please, keep cherry picking your arguments. It's what you're good at...🤭

Are you a console player? I noticed you say X’d lol

Kel · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Honestly, I don't understand it either.
I play solo 90% of the time in Cyrodiil.
I never understand the complaints about getting chased down by groups.
It absolutely happens...but that's because I'm usually harassing a group, picking them off one or two at a time until the group turns and chases.

It like poking at a bee hive and getting upset that the bees dont try to sting you one at a time. I poked the hive, I deserve to be chased down by numbers.

Ps4 NA is in a realm by itself when it comes to toxic behavior, and it mainly comes down to them calling literally every gear set in the game cheese. According to that playerbase, it's all cheese and a carry.
Got accused of using cheese because I used Pirate Skeleton...a defensive set that cuts your healing received by 15% when active. Trading defense for healing is apparently cheese. I use Bright Throat on one of my magicka characters...got told anything giving passive resources back is cheese.

It's absolutely ridiculous. In short, there's never a legitimate loss. Unless you fight naked weaponless, it's cheese...🙄

So while you got people here harping on the "it's not a real war it's a video game" thing, it also for some reason hurts thier ego when they lose, so they complain. They complain about solo or small groups if they zerg, and solo players complain about sets and cheese and zergs. There's no logic.
I expect to die whatever type I play, group or solo, and as far as sets go...if it's in the game, it's in the game. No reason to not use it.

TL;DR : Players are salty because they can't handle taking a L.

Why would some getting ganged up on by a zerg of 5+ to 1 hurt their "ego"? If anything, it would good for their ego because it shows their enemies can't t fight fair and have to outnumber and gang up on them to win. So I don't understand that argument at all. There is nothing to feel embarrassed or ashamed about because people have to gang up on you to beat you. If anything, it's their ego that is probably taking the hit.

I know I sure wouldn't feel proud about if I had to gang up someone to win. It would actually make me feel nothing but respect for that person.

That's because you're only talking about half of what I said to try arguing with me. Don't think I dont recognize your name.
You can see in this very thread where people are complaining about 1vX players as well.
It's about losing in general. You get x'ed from a solo player when you out number them, you see complaints. You see a solo player get zerged, you see complaints.

It all comes from the same place...you can't handle taking that L.

But please, keep cherry picking your arguments. It's what you're good at...🤭

But my point was I doubt anyone gets a bruised ego because they were ganged up on. So I would reconsider that position if I were you - because I seriously seriously doubt that's what is going on here.

Really?

Berenhir wrote: »

LeinadOrarogep wrote: »

kerthas wrote: »

And no the strengh isn't with number. You have the strengh mainly with your brain, which means improve your skills, and using the field in your advantage. The numbers is just the easy way.

Exactly, you're right, this is what i want to say!
Using superior numbers is an easy way to victory, so why should i not use it? Same goes for bow and ganking.
My objective is to win the campaign, not to improve my skills or become a better player. So if something makes me win the campaign easier, i will gladly use it.

That's the core issue. I mean it's fine, you can play for the map, you can play for transmutation geodes, you can play for AP or as a random activity in the evening.

Just don't expect to be respected by people with other gaming goals for your playstyle. For those people, you are probably just scum and an example of what is wrong with Cyrodiil.

Which also is a valid opinion, just as your zergling mentality is for you

Sounds like someone salty he loses to bigger numbers to me...
He calls that player scum, after all.

ZOS_JesC · May 2019

Greetings, we've closed this thread as it is no longer constructive.