startstriker wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Sure you can use group finder. Just queue for specific dungeons instead of random. Yes those give more xp, but it's only a once a day thing.

That said, I'm not opposed to an option to leave out DLC dungeons from random queue. I just don't think it's a priority.

It still feels like I’m missing out on a feature by supporting the game beyond a initial purchase which I do feel is backwards. I’ve only just levelled up after years of owning the game to where the dlc dungeons show up in the queue and the difference on random is night and day.

Look, this is probably going to be controversial, but normal DLC dungeons are perfectly feasible on low level toons. The problem IMHO is much more about the community than the dungeons (both elitism from good players and unwillingness to prepare and learn from bad ones).

Seriously, get a couple of full sets adequate to your role, jump on that random normal and if you get a DLC dungeon explain that you're inexperienced and/or grab a quick guide on the internet. You may be surprised how fun it can be to overcome one of those instead of cheesing through the same old base game dungeons. Of course if you don't want to risk a group of strangers you'll be better of joining a guild or pre-forming a group specifically to train those dungeons.

Facefister wrote: »

Getting into a guild will help you alot.

Agreed. I joined a great guild, and suddenly I'm able to clear content I was never able to on Xbox.

Social play is great, and I'm saying this as an agoraphobic! I hate people LOL.

I started playing during the release of Morrowind. The first dungeon I got into when I was level 12, was Ruins of Mazzatun. It was difficult (even coming from a background with 10+ years of MMOs), but we managed to complete it. While I agree that you should be able to pick if you want to queue up for DLC dungeons or not, most of them are possible to complete. On the other hand, if we had gotten Moon Hunter Keep back then, I doubt we would have gotten past the first boss.

daemonios wrote: »

startstriker wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Sure you can use group finder. Just queue for specific dungeons instead of random. Yes those give more xp, but it's only a once a day thing.

That said, I'm not opposed to an option to leave out DLC dungeons from random queue. I just don't think it's a priority.

It still feels like I’m missing out on a feature by supporting the game beyond a initial purchase which I do feel is backwards. I’ve only just levelled up after years of owning the game to where the dlc dungeons show up in the queue and the difference on random is night and day.

Look, this is probably going to be controversial, but normal DLC dungeons are perfectly feasible on low level toons. The problem IMHO is much more about the community than the dungeons (both elitism from good players and unwillingness to prepare and learn from bad ones).

Seriously, get a couple of full sets adequate to your role, jump on that random normal and if you get a DLC dungeon explain that you're inexperienced and/or grab a quick guide on the internet. You may be surprised how fun it can be to overcome one of those instead of cheesing through the same old base game dungeons. Of course if you don't want to risk a group of strangers you'll be better of joining a guild or pre-forming a group specifically to train those dungeons.

This, it tend to be so many higher cp players running random normal to grind xp anyway its usually smooth runs.
Normals fail because an weak team not an weak player.
Random veteran dungeon is an trap and pretty much an waste unless its also an non pledge.

startstriker wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

startstriker wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Sure you can use group finder. Just queue for specific dungeons instead of random. Yes those give more xp, but it's only a once a day thing.

That said, I'm not opposed to an option to leave out DLC dungeons from random queue. I just don't think it's a priority.

It still feels like I’m missing out on a feature by supporting the game beyond a initial purchase which I do feel is backwards. I’ve only just levelled up after years of owning the game to where the dlc dungeons show up in the queue and the difference on random is night and day.

Look, this is probably going to be controversial, but normal DLC dungeons are perfectly feasible on low level toons. The problem IMHO is much more about the community than the dungeons (both elitism from good players and unwillingness to prepare and learn from bad ones).

Seriously, get a couple of full sets adequate to your role, jump on that random normal and if you get a DLC dungeon explain that you're inexperienced and/or grab a quick guide on the internet. You may be surprised how fun it can be to overcome one of those instead of cheesing through the same old base game dungeons. Of course if you don't want to risk a group of strangers you'll be better of joining a guild or pre-forming a group specifically to train those dungeons.

I managed to cheese my first dlc dungeon scale caller peak but i didn’t feel in control of it I’m sure I could and will get better as things go but wiping several times and having the group disbanding in part because of yourself isn’t what I play eso for.

DLC Dungeons (and all dungeons, really) get much easier once you know the fights. It takes some muscle memory and you start reacting to the cues much faster because you know what's coming.

Now, what exactly makes you think you are not good enough for DLC normal dungeons?

startstriker wrote: »

It’s sad to think that spending money on dlc has put me in a position where I’m at a disadvantage in simply not good enough yet to complete dlc dungeons on normal without holding the group back which means I can’t queue in random anymore shouldn’t someone who’s bought the content have a say in if it’s in the queue?

Edit: to clarify it’s the random queue I’m talking about.

I've always maintained that DLC dungeons should be separated from the baseline dungeons. And not simply because they are harder, but because they follow a different design philosophy all together.

Even back when City of Ash 2 and Dark Shade Caverns 2 were quite difficult, they didn't rely on one-shot mechanisms the same way many DLC dungeons do. Their challenge was rooted in the game's core gameplay. For example: the Netch was difficult because damage dealers weren't killing the adds well enough - or the Engine Guardian was difficult because the healer wasn't healing good enough to keep people alive through the poison mist (or whatever it is) or the tank wasn't picking up the adds good enough. The challenge was based on the individual performance of the character's combat role.

That's not the case with many of the DLC dungeons - which have gimmicks galore that one-shot players irregardless of how well they play their combat role. For example: you can be the best damage dealer in the world but still die instantly in Frost Vault if you don't dodge the lasers. You can be the best healer in the world but still die instantly in Scale Caller Peak if you don't dodge the Dragon Statue. You can be the best tank in the world but still die instantly in Depths of Malator if you don't dodge the sword ghosts.

The base line dungeons had some of this. But they were more forgiving and easier to dodge. In DLC dungeons they are basically the main challenge of every fight and the core game play takes a backseat. It really doesn't matter how good of a healer you are, or how good of a damage dealer you are, or how good of a tank you are. In the end all that mostly matters is how experienced you at dodging or learning the patterns of their silly gimmicks during the boss fights. And that's ultimately why pugging these dungeons is such a pain. Because you really aren't singing up to a be a healer, tank, or damage dealer. You are signing up to play some mini game you've likely never done before that's going to keep one shotting you until you learn to do it perfectly. It's lazy and gimmicky trial and error game play that used to be around a lot back during the 1980's before it went extinct. Why the developers of this game are trying to revive it is anyone's guess.

I’m currently in a tank just hit lv 50 cp10 a little after making this thread i was using the dungeon random queue for fast xp I’m not a meta build and play more casually than most on Xbox I think for now at least I’ll stick to the first random each day and specific dungeons for sets now i can start collecting cp.

startstriker wrote: »

I’m currently in a tank just hit lv 50 cp10 a little after making this thread i was using the dungeon random queue for fast xp I’m not a meta build and play more casually than most on Xbox I think for now at least I’ll stick to the first random each day and specific dungeons for sets now i can start collecting cp.

If you're queuing for normal, your gear will be fine as long as its a sword and board and plate. Your job is to keep the attention of the boss, block, and refill your resources with heavy attacks once in a while.

The healer will keep you topped off, the dps will keep everything dead.

As long as the boss isn't killing dps or healer, you're fine. On trash pulls, you can't really hold agro on everything and the DPS should kill everything before you can even attempt to.

You're build does not really matter outside of what I mentioned above. Anyone who says otherwise is setting ridiculous requirements and are probably much worse at the game than you think you are.

Things change in Vet dungeons. But you know your limitation there. But normal is so easy nowadays that you should be fine. You do need to pay attention to some mechanics, but its nothing you can't handle. ESO's mechanics are some of the easiest in the industry.

startstriker wrote: »

I’m currently in a tank just hit lv 50 cp10 a little after making this thread i was using the dungeon random queue for fast xp I’m not a meta build and play more casually than most on Xbox I think for now at least I’ll stick to the first random each day and specific dungeons for sets now i can start collecting cp.

A few pointers not every player seems to pick up while leveling:

White lines flickering over an enemy means it's charging a heavy attack. Block it. Or dodge roll it. In any vet and most DLC dungeons, unblocked heavy attacks HURT. And they knock you down, leaving you open to more damage.

Similarly, red lines flickering means an enemy is channeling. This usually means they're doing high damage over time, pinning down a team mate, or charging an attack that may be a one-shot. Interrupt those, usually by bashing.

Taunt any large trash (colossi, minotaurs, 2-h weapon-wielding enemies) and turn then away from the group. They often have front-facing attacks that damage anyone standing in front of them, often one-shotting all but a blocking tank.

Crowd control helps a bunch. If you stack large groups of trash, the DDs can melt them faster with AoE skills in addition to single target skills. Options range from stuns and roots to keep tight groups from spreading out, to DK chains or Warden portals to leash in ranged enemies. You can also use line of sight to force some enemies to move that are immune to those skills, e.g. if you move behind an obstacle the enemy will move and try to regain line of sight. A fun place to use this is in Banished Cells 2, the twin harvesters. If you taunt both then move behind one of the pillars beside the stairs to the last boss, the farthest twin will move and practically stack with the nearest one, making AoE skills much more effective.

In DLC dungeons, pay attention to what the quest NPCs say during boss fights, as well as your death recap. These explain most boss fight mechanics, e.g. how to avoid certain attacks or progress through a fight stage.

You are good enough. Believe in yourself (and read a guide).