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Make skins available from normal dungeons, since ZOS locked the other thread to avoid this issue.
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LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
Er did you not get the point? THIS is the point right but people are PAYING for end game content that they are not getting by their own merits.
Has nothing to do with "get good". Rather for yourself, "get smart".
I mean, it is a group achievement, not an individual one. However a particular got in the group is irrelevant if they were still able to complete the trial/dungeon.
Dude most of the guilds selling these skins can finish the dungeons with 10 man can easily carry 1 or 2 people with them having to do ANYTHING AT ALL.
Do you even play this game?0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
Okay, that clears up that question, thank you for replying. If I could bother you once more, why do you care that others think they're good? You know they are not, and they likely know it too.2 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As long as no one is paying money outside the game for carries, ZOS wont care and youre just yelling at a brick wall.0 -
Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
Or maybe they just want to look pretty?5 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭This is such a ridiculous subject. You don't like that people get carried? too bad. It's multiplayer game. People can play whatever they want with whomever they want to and if they get the achievement they get it. No one has any right to tell a player what not to play and who not to play with in the game. this is so toxic.5
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hey, Lightmaster.
You don't like people paying for carries, because they didn't "earn" the skins from "hard content".
Ok, so.... how about the scrub who has great friends. Who carries him through dungeons & trial, even though he sucks. Because he's their friend, because he's their cousin (mom said we have to be nice to him), because he helps them study for their AP Physics tests, because he's their boss's brother....
He didn't "earn" the skin. But he didn't "pay 2 win" (/facepalm), either.
What's your thought on that one?
(And again - I remember raid guilds back in vanilla WoW, selling carries through their "farm" raids, so that 'scrubs' could get raid gear and the guilds could fund their own projects. Long before cash shops, long before anyone said the phrase "pay 2 win" or "paywall". This is nothing new in MMOs, and it's never been a big deal.)4 -
worir5✭✭✭By making the skins available in normal difficulties the veteran difficulty is made almost redundant,
The skins are just easier to get so people who used to buy skins to look like they are good can now easily get the skins anyway, anyone who can't can also just buy a carry to get the skins,
Therefore nothing is solved, it is only made worsePC-EU @DocCmonMan1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
Okay, that clears up that question, thank you for replying. If I could bother you once more, why do you care that others think they're good? You know they are not, and they likely know it too.
It's a game I play for entertainment and to get things done in game. If other people are skil-less and who think they are skilled in the game and I play with them, they bring that level of entertainment down in dungeons and in trials.
For example, I was in a random dungeon the other day. I was pulling 75% of the dps of the group. The so called tank was a idiot sorcerer with the "Flawless Conquerer" title (which I also have but wasn't displaying at that time) and thought the dungeon was "easy" since he thought he could "tank" it. I eventually left because i was getting disgusted at the last boss, oh did I mention his friend also queued as a healer but wasn't one?
Its *** like this that is getting more and more common.
People with inflated egos that artificially think that getting an end game skin or title makes them entitled.0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Hey, Lightmaster.
You don't like people paying for carries, because they didn't "earn" the skins from "hard content".
Ok, so.... how about the scrub who has great friends. Who carries him through dungeons & trial, even though he sucks. Because he's their friend, because he's their cousin (mom said we have to be nice to him), because he helps them study for their AP Physics tests, because he's their boss's brother....
He didn't "earn" the skin. But he didn't "pay 2 win" (/facepalm), either.
What's your thought on that one?
(And again - I remember raid guilds back in vanilla WoW, selling carries through their "farm" raids, so that 'scrubs' could get raid gear and the guilds could fund their own projects. Long before cash shops, long before anyone said the phrase "pay 2 win" or "paywall". This is nothing new in MMOs, and it's never been a big deal.)
Well then at least ZOS can enforce keeping the *** ZONE CHAT clean of blatant cheating!0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A L2P issue if ever I saw one...
Also, has anyone claimed his stuff?
In my experience, about the only skin being sold is the dro-mathra skin and maybe the one from VHOF because it's pretty easy for a good group to carry someone. Not saying others dont happen, but pretty much all dungeons require a no death (hard to carry), or they require a pretty competent 12 man group (VCR and VAS) and cant have someone hiding in the corner. I dont think this problem is nearly as prevalent as you think it is.2 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
Okay, that clears up that question, thank you for replying. If I could bother you once more, why do you care that others think they're good? You know they are not, and they likely know it too.
It's a game I play for entertainment and to get things done in game. If other people are skil-less and who think they are skilled in the game and I play with them, they bring that level of entertainment down in dungeons and in trials.
For example, I was in a random dungeon the other day. I was pulling 75% of the dps of the group. The so called tank was a idiot sorcerer with the "Flawless Conquerer" title (which I also have but wasn't displaying at that time) and thought the dungeon was "easy" since he thought he could "tank" it. I eventually left because i was getting disgusted at the last boss, oh did I mention his friend also queued as a healer but wasn't one?
Its *** like this that is getting more and more common.
People with inflated egos that artificially think that getting an end game skin or title makes them entitled.
I can understand how frustrating that is, been in a few bad groups like that myself (never on the fake tank or healer end though xD).
If I may suggest something though, it sounds like you have more of a problem with negative experiences in group finder than you do with skins. Would that be correct, or do you think it is more the skins?1 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.
It seems the only issue is your own ego.
Also, inb4 another one of your threads is locked.5 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭By making the skins available in normal difficulties the veteran difficulty is made almost redundant,
The skins are just easier to get so people who used to buy skins to look like they are good can now easily get the skins anyway, anyone who can't can also just buy a carry to get the skins,
Therefore nothing is solved, it is only made worse
Why is it worse? If everyone has the skins it makes it redundant and that IS the point? It would curb the blatant, ingame cheating of people paying for carries and in my opiinion would almost eliminate this behavior completely.
Make the skins redundant because from the other thread and this thread, most people don't really care about the skins right?
RIGHT?0 -
Wolfkeks✭✭✭✭✭
✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
tbh stopping carries (so one one who didn't work for it gets the skin) or putting skins in the crown store (so everyone has this shiny skin) it's not gonna stop bad random dungeon experiences.
Also depending if you got the achievement on your healer but play a tank later on with your skin on for the first time can make a difference I have an awesome healer friend who makes sure everyone is alive in vHoF but can't tank to save his life
Anyways, hope you have better luck next time and a better dungeon experience in general.
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LightMaster7✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.
It seems the only issue is your own ego.
Also, inb4 another one of your threads is locked.
lol at least I highlight an issue in the game THAT IS SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.
You hear that ZOS? This issue is driving your playerbase to QUIT because it demoralizes the people playing.
You need to bite this in the butt now or it's gonna be your death nail.0 -
moses1763✭✭✭my goodness so much righteous anger over a make believe skin in a make believe game; maybe take all of that anger and energy and do something much more important...
solve climate change, world peace, middle east Israel/Palestine dual state solution, oh my there are so much more important things to be pouring one's self into heck even a crusade for better game performance I too could get behind but this is just plain silly.
Happy Gaming
Live, Laugh, and Hope!0 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »By making the skins available in normal difficulties the veteran difficulty is made almost redundant,
The skins are just easier to get so people who used to buy skins to look like they are good can now easily get the skins anyway, anyone who can't can also just buy a carry to get the skins,
Therefore nothing is solved, it is only made worse
Why is it worse? If everyone has the skins it makes it redundant and that IS the point? It would curb the blatant, ingame cheating of people paying for carries and in my opiinion would almost eliminate this behavior completely.
Make the skins redundant because from the other thread and this thread, most people don't really care about the skins right?
RIGHT?
There's a lot of people out there who can't even complete normal trials...
Make getting the skins easier, and boom: You've just increased the amount of people who can reliably sell skin runs.
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anyone wants popcorn?
Btw, shoutout to everyone who is trying to be constructive with this dude. You guys have impressive patience.
RIGHT?9 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
tbh stopping carries (so one one who didn't work for it gets the skin) or putting skins in the crown store (so everyone has this shiny skin) it's not gonna stop bad random dungeon experiences.
Also depending if you got the achievement on your healer but play a tank later on with your skin on for the first time can make a difference I have an awesome healer friend who makes sure everyone is alive in vHoF but can't tank to save his life
Anyways, hope you have better luck next time and a better dungeon experience in general.
It will stop the zone chat chatter for blatantly asking for carries with "paying", which we all know is routed through real money transactions.0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.
It seems the only issue is your own ego.
Also, inb4 another one of your threads is locked.
lol at least I highlight an issue in the game THAT IS SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.
You hear that ZOS? This issue is driving your playerbase to QUIT because it demoralizes the people playing.
You need to bite this in the butt now or it's gonna be your death nail.
Ham is spiraling out of control.
Most players are quitting because of server performance, not skins.5 -
T3hasiangod✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »A L2P issue if ever I saw one...
Also, has anyone claimed his stuff?
In my experience, about the only skin being sold is the dro-mathra skin and maybe the one from VHOF because it's pretty easy for a good group to carry someone. Not saying others dont happen, but pretty much all dungeons require a no death (hard to carry), or they require a pretty competent 12 man group (VCR and VAS) and cant have someone hiding in the corner. I dont think this problem is nearly as prevalent as you think it is.
Nah, I've done vAS and vCR skin carries. They get sold fairly often. They're more common than vMaw carries I think.3 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭electromagnets wrote: »Hey guess what? You want shiny things? You’ve got to work for them or pay for them. Idk what world you grew up in but whoever allowed you to live in whatever naïve little bubble it took to produce such a lazy, self-righteous attitude should be ashamed.
Such hostility.
I honestly don't understand what the company is thinking. If I was running any game, I would allow easy access to All cosmetic items. No Cosmetic items would be behind hard walls. Reason is simple. It's Cosmetics. Has no effect on the character's performance. And it allows the PLAYER to create their best looking character. If the character looks good to the player, the player will stick with the character and the game.
They should put items that actually benefit character in some way behind the hard walls. That makes perfect sense. Gotta beat the best to have the best.
What we got is Gotta beat the best to have something pretty.
Now it's not as big a deal as OP (I have no idea what that means. I Hate acronyms ) makes it out to be. But as a baseline, why Not allow the Cosmetics to be available to everyone, regardless of the content they choose to play? I mean they gave away gargantuan houses which cost millions in game - for Nothing. Pets and Mounts as well.
EDIT: Not saying the pets and mounts cost millions. I know somebody was gonna say something about that.
Edited by barney2525 on May 3, 2019 4:09PM0 -
Billdor✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Why doesn't ZOS change it so that MOST of the playerbase can just get the skins from NORMAL dungeons?
This would solve the problem ingame currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries.
I do not understand why ZOS is locking this subject when this is RAMPANT in their own game and will not come out with an official position on where they stand on the issue?
DID YOU HEAR THAT ZOS? What is YOUR thinking on this. Please tell me now so that if you agree this is ok to do, I will quit this game the next day and find another game to play. STOP locking thread and avoiding the issue, put it to rest by stating a position so it is clear WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
So all those people who were against the idea of putting skins in the store can now agree right that it should be ok to make the change so that MOST people can access these skins from normal versions of those dungeons since to YOU it doesn't really mean anything or it is not PAY2WIN?
Bold of you to assume that there is a "problem ingme currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries". You do the hardest content and you get the most appealing rewards, until then jog on and stop whining.
Every god damn game there is somebody whining about the hardest content, if it isn't WoW its ESO..0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
tbh stopping carries (so one one who didn't work for it gets the skin) or putting skins in the crown store (so everyone has this shiny skin) it's not gonna stop bad random dungeon experiences.
Also depending if you got the achievement on your healer but play a tank later on with your skin on for the first time can make a difference I have an awesome healer friend who makes sure everyone is alive in vHoF but can't tank to save his life
Anyways, hope you have better luck next time and a better dungeon experience in general.
It will stop the zone chat chatter for blatantly asking for carries with "paying", which we all know is routed through real money transactions.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.
It seems the only issue is your own ego.
Also, inb4 another one of your threads is locked.
lol at least I highlight an issue in the game THAT IS SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.
You hear that ZOS? This issue is driving your playerbase to QUIT because it demoralizes the people playing.
You need to bite this in the butt now or it's gonna be your death nail.
Ham is spiraling out of control.
Most players are quitting because of server performance, not skins.
OMG lol shows me how much you don't play this game.
Like wow!0 -
stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭It's not cheating, they paid for it and the other people agreed to help them. Win win.
Why are you so butt hurt over this? Does it make your Epeen feel inadequate? I understand that you should feel a sense of accomplishment, but dude it's only a game.
No one cares about your skin more than yourself.3 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »Why doesn't ZOS change it so that MOST of the playerbase can just get the skins from NORMAL dungeons?
This would solve the problem ingame currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries.
I do not understand why ZOS is locking this subject when this is RAMPANT in their own game and will not come out with an official position on where they stand on the issue?
DID YOU HEAR THAT ZOS? What is YOUR thinking on this. Please tell me now so that if you agree this is ok to do, I will quit this game the next day and find another game to play. STOP locking thread and avoiding the issue, put it to rest by stating a position so it is clear WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
So all those people who were against the idea of putting skins in the store can now agree right that it should be ok to make the change so that MOST people can access these skins from normal versions of those dungeons since to YOU it doesn't really mean anything or it is not PAY2WIN?
Bold of you to assume that there is a "problem ingme currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries". You do the hardest content and you get the most appealing rewards, until then jog on and stop whining.
Every god damn game there is somebody whining about the hardest content, if it isn't WoW its ESO..
Dude read the thread. I'm not complaining about hard content. I'm complaining that people are PAYING to get through hard content to get a "skin".
Do you understand or do you need someone to interpret english for you?0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.
tbh stopping carries (so one one who didn't work for it gets the skin) or putting skins in the crown store (so everyone has this shiny skin) it's not gonna stop bad random dungeon experiences.
Also depending if you got the achievement on your healer but play a tank later on with your skin on for the first time can make a difference I have an awesome healer friend who makes sure everyone is alive in vHoF but can't tank to save his life
Anyways, hope you have better luck next time and a better dungeon experience in general.
It will stop the zone chat chatter for blatantly asking for carries with "paying", which we all know is routed through real money transactions.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »LightMaster7 wrote: »Protossyder wrote: »What problem, OP? I guess you just have neither the skill, nor the gold to get the titles and skins...
Wow a board warrior who probably doesn't have the faintest clue what this issue is really about.
It seems the only issue is your own ego.
Also, inb4 another one of your threads is locked.
lol at least I highlight an issue in the game THAT IS SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.
You hear that ZOS? This issue is driving your playerbase to QUIT because it demoralizes the people playing.
You need to bite this in the butt now or it's gonna be your death nail.
Ham is spiraling out of control.
Most players are quitting because of server performance, not skins.
OMG lol shows me how much you don't play this game.
Like wow!
If you know of people paying outside the game for carries, please report them via a ticket and provide evidence of such. If you dont have any, crawl back under your bridge. I play the game every day. Whether or not someone has something shiny doesnt bother me. How they get it bothers me even less.3
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