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Make skins available from normal dungeons, since ZOS locked the other thread to avoid this issue.
LightMaster7
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Why doesn't ZOS change it so that MOST of the playerbase can just get the skins from NORMAL dungeons?
This would solve the problem ingame currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries.
I do not understand why ZOS is locking this subject when this is RAMPANT in their own game and will not come out with an official position on where they stand on the issue?
DID YOU HEAR THAT ZOS? What is YOUR thinking on this. Please tell me now so that if you agree this is ok to do, I will quit this game the next day and find another game to play. STOP locking thread and avoiding the issue, put it to rest by stating a position so it is clear WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
So all those people who were against the idea of putting skins in the store can now agree right that it should be ok to make the change so that MOST people can access these skins from normal versions of those dungeons since to YOU it doesn't really mean anything or it is not PAY2WIN?
This would solve the problem ingame currently of people "PAYING" for the skin carries.
I do not understand why ZOS is locking this subject when this is RAMPANT in their own game and will not come out with an official position on where they stand on the issue?
DID YOU HEAR THAT ZOS? What is YOUR thinking on this. Please tell me now so that if you agree this is ok to do, I will quit this game the next day and find another game to play. STOP locking thread and avoiding the issue, put it to rest by stating a position so it is clear WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
So all those people who were against the idea of putting skins in the store can now agree right that it should be ok to make the change so that MOST people can access these skins from normal versions of those dungeons since to YOU it doesn't really mean anything or it is not PAY2WIN?
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And now... The guts of the issue.
Why didn't you start a thread saying vet trials and dungeons are too hard for you, and you don't want to pay for clear. Hence you want normals to provide the same reward.
No need for inflammatory language and melodramatics.27 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Because they are rewards for completing hard content.
What you really want is for ZOS to stop people selling skin carries.
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✭✭What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
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SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
And players with more money than us should be able to spend it however they like. Maybe they have so much money that they've bought everything they can and don't have anything else to spend their overflowing gold on.PC - NACP 1125
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LightMaster7✭✭✭✭And now... The guts of the issue.
Why didn't you start a thread saying vet trials and dungeons are too hard for you, and you don't want to pay for clear. Hence you want normals to provide the same reward.
No need for inflammatory language and melodramatics.
Dude, I've done everyhthing in the game + got all my skins from doing vet 4 man dungeons on Challenger achievements. I've also got vMol.
There are only a certain number of guilds in game that can rally 12 dedicated people to clear vHof, vCR and vAS, but you wouldn't know would you since you probably aren't even in that league.
It's not an issue of people not being able to DO these vet dungeons. It's the time required for 12 people to find time to learn the mechanics of the said dungeons and finish them, which only a very SMALL and limited amount of guilds can do.
But that's all good, since players need some hard content but putting skins behind THIS progression wall is causing most players to PAY their way to get these skins because they do not have the time to get it with a 12 man progression team.
Before you "tallk" you should actually know what your talking about.1 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
And players with more money than us should be able to spend it however they like. Maybe they have so much money that they've bought everything they can and don't have anything else to spend their overflowing gold on.
I never said that people shouldn't be able to pay for runs.
Where the heck did that even come from lol?In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭You go really hard on thread spam with that topic.
And unless you plan on getting off to a certain skin it is definitely not pay 2 win.
I just wonder what's stopping you from progressing towards it, there is people with just 1 arm that have completed the hardest content. And all you do is getting Salty and rage on forumPC EU
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LightMaster7✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
And players with more money than us should be able to spend it however they like. Maybe they have so much money that they've bought everything they can and don't have anything else to spend their overflowing gold on.
LOL and so why not able to buy it from the store then?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »I do not understand why ZOS is locking this subject when this is RAMPANT in their own game and will not come out with an official position on where they stand on the issue?
Trading in-game items with no monetary exchange value (gear, cosmetics, gold, crowns, alliance points, tel var, etc) is acceptable.
Trading anything in the game or on a third party platform for a real-world currency with a real or perceived value (dollars, euros, various cryptocurrencies, etc) is not.
That's their stance.
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LightMaster7✭✭✭✭CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
Er did you not get the point? THIS is the point right but people are PAYING for end game content that they are not getting by their own merits.
Has nothing to do with "get good". Rather for yourself, "get smart".0 -
Druid40✭✭✭✭It is ok to not have an achievement, everyone. I promise you will be ok. Anyone that really wants a skin can find a progression group or make one. Check out some tutorials. Download some useful addons and go at it.
Edit: This is not directed at any one person.Edited by Druid40 on May 3, 2019 3:43PM0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭It is ok to not have an achievement, everyone. I promise you will be ok. Anyone that really wants a skin can find a progression group or make one. Check out some tutorials. Download some useful addons and go at it.
People like you are still not getting the point.
Do you people actually play this game or are you board warriors who talk more than they play?
It's a RAMPANT problem in game where zone chat is filled with people now blatantly advertising to PAY for carries.
Its getting pretty stupid now.
Understand the issue.1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭So what exactly is the complaint of you people now?
Wouldn't you be happy if ZOS made skins available for MOST of the population if they allowed them to get skins by completing NORMAL content?
I mean skins don't mean anything right?
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stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭So you're issue that people can become too good and are able to carry someone through it?
Are you angry at the people making money from it, or the people who are paying gold for it?
I don't see what is wrong if both parties agree and are willing to pay/carry the other. In fact I think it's a good reward for those guilds who are able to get to that level of play otherwise they wouldn't have much incentive to do anything.0 -
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✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
Er did you not get the point? THIS is the point right but people are PAYING for end game content that they are not getting by their own merits.
Has nothing to do with "get good". Rather for yourself, "get smart".
Paying gold for runs is acceptable.
That's what I'm saying.
In extension, and from ZOS's own mouth, selling Crowns for Gold is acceptable.
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electromagnets✭✭✭Hey guess what? You want shiny things? You’ve got to work for them or pay for them. Idk what world you grew up in but whoever allowed you to live in whatever naïve little bubble it took to produce such a lazy, self-righteous attitude should be ashamed.4
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?1 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭LightMaster7 wrote: »CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »What is the point of Vet if there aren't rewards only available from Vet?
Like it or not, players with more skill get more rewards.
Else there'd be no point in playing higher difficulty.
Get good.
Er did you not get the point? THIS is the point right but people are PAYING for end game content that they are not getting by their own merits.
Has nothing to do with "get good". Rather for yourself, "get smart".
I mean, it is a group achievement, not an individual one. However a particular got in the group is irrelevant if they were still able to complete the trial/dungeon.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yikes. Skins convey absolutely no competitive advantage, thus cannot be P2W.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Xalvakka's Scourge - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger71,345 achievement points0 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭electromagnets wrote: »Hey guess what? You want shiny things? You’ve got to work for them or pay for them. Idk what world you grew up in but whoever allowed you to live in whatever naïve little bubble it took to produce such a lazy, self-righteous attitude should be ashamed.
Dude I have several million gold in my bank and I could easily PAY for these skins in game for a carry.
But I REFUSE to do so.
People like you have a english deficient ability who cant grasp what's beind said in threads like this.
I'm not asking ZOS to nerf vet dungeson, I'm asking them to STOP people paying for content behind a progression wall through real life money and advertising it zone chat day in and day out, BLATANTLY.
Or make it so that MOST of the playerbase has access to getting content in this game, such as skins that they don't have to pay a guild to "carry" them to achieve and creating the stupid, elitist culture that exists in this game.
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Silaf✭✭✭✭✭One possible solution to this problem is unlocking more cp to give the chance to less skilled players to access hard content maybe one year later.1 -
LightMaster7✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »I'm not assuming anything, so let me ask you your opinion to hear it from you.
Why do you think it is wrong that people sell skin runs?
Because I've been in random dungeons with people who have obviously gotten these "skins" from being carried and they don't know JACK *** what they are doing and the problem here is that they think they are actually good at the game.0 -
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Because they want those things as reward for making the effort to "git gud" and clear the hard version?LightMaster7 wrote: »Why doesn't ZOS change it so that MOST of the playerbase can just get the skins from NORMAL dungeons?
Wouldn't be much of a reward if they handed 'em out as participient trophy, now would it?
And as always...
...if you want it badly enough, you will spend the effort (or money) to get it.
...and if that's too much effort for you, well, then you will have to do without.
Simple, really!
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