WTB Sorcerer Stamina Morphs

ZarkingFrued · May 2019

Can stamsorc get some attention? Stamina morph for streak? Really a stamina version of curse would be amazing. Something that sets it apart. We're all using all weapon skills out here lol

Sheezabeast · May 2019

I bet you get stam sorc morphs before us DKs get stam whip ;_;

Nemesis7884 · May 2019

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

Morgul667 · May 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

I hope it would be update 22 as they said they will look into class balance (hmm zos) but now they mentioned on live that they wont do it

Nemesis7884 · May 2019

Morgul667 wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

I hope it would be update 22 as they said they will look into class balance (hmm zos) but now they mentioned on live that they wont do it

Oh must have missed that...at least they mentionned that they will rework the passives...but i think they mostly meant armor and weapons

Elwendryll · May 2019

I would pay a full collector edition chapter's price for stam morphs.

HowlKimchi · May 2019

Am I the only one who thinks that, from a design standpoint, there's enough stamina skills in the game from snb/2h/dw/bow?

Like sure, maybe stam sorcs could get a few more stam skills from their kit, but a DK stamina whip? If each class skill had a stamina morph, then stam and mag classes' offensive rotation will be very very similar to each other. You already have a lot of good choices from weapon skills. I mean look at templars in pvp. both stam and mag use purifying light and jabs which is pretty boring imo.

Can I also ask for magicka morphs of weapon skills? i'd love a magicka Rally that gave major sorc.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that, from a design standpoint, there's enough stamina skills in the game from snb/2h/dw/bow?

Like sure, maybe stam sorcs could get a few more stam skills from their kit, but a DK stamina whip? If each class skill had a stamina morph, then stam and mag classes' offensive rotation will be very very similar to each other. You already have a lot of good choices from weapon skills. I mean look at templars in pvp. both stam and mag use purifying light and jabs which is pretty boring imo.

Can I also ask for magicka morphs of weapon skills? i'd love a magicka Rally that gave major sorc.

And you think it's totally fine if your stam classes "offensive rotation" is 90% the same on each class?

Not to mention the issue that weapon lines are designed to have holes in it which you usually fill via class skills. Too bad if all you have to show for that is a stun that puts you out of melee range and a PBAoE with strongly nerfed damage.
Oh, and two dead skill slots which worsens the bar space issue.

And just as food for thoughts. What is diversity for you? Only that a magsorcs plays differently to a stamsorc or that a (stam)sorc plays differently to a (stam)dk? I could argue that there is already an inherent difference between stamsorc and magsorc due to pets, staves/bows, liquid lightning etc.

Brrrofski · May 2019

Every class, mag or stam should have a spammable. Mag sorc, stam DK and stam sorc don't.

Would open up a lot more weapon options in PvP

Elwendryll · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that, from a design standpoint, there's enough stamina skills in the game from snb/2h/dw/bow?

Like sure, maybe stam sorcs could get a few more stam skills from their kit, but a DK stamina whip?

There are enough stamina abilities to play without class skills, and get all the buffs/debuffs we need, sure, but why even choose a class in the first place?

Is it fun? We have very nice tools, like crit surge and hurricane, but it's not fun. Everything in the stamsorc kit is so passive... Just buffs to refresh (PVE...). And a skill to keep doubled barred.

HowlKimchi · May 2019

Apologies, I have to clarify that im talking in a PVP perspective.

I dunno it just makes sense to me that stam classes are all kinda similar if they choose to use the same physical weapons. Picking your weapons is like picking a class in its own right. Like a dw/snb stamdk is very different from a 2h/bow stam dk etc. etc.

I'm not arguing anything by the way, I'm just pointing out what makes sense in my head.

Mitaka211 · May 2019

It's simple , the majority of players are magika users , if they bother to make stamina classes viable (right now they are decent at best) it will be at their expense. The uproar will be far greater than whit stamina users.
Hell , i know how frustrating it is , try fighting a magplar or a magsorc with your stamplar or stamsorc. If you win , the magika users simply screwed up really bad, nothing more. Fight a really good player who uses a magsorc. As a stаmplar good luck surviving . You will be on the defensive the whole fight and the small openings that you get are not enough (unless you DA weapons) to deal any real dmg. Like magika users can get away with far more if they are bad players. The burst potential is always so damn high with them, so any standart mag dd build will instantly trump 80% of stamina builds. Like dude most of them don't even care what their opponent is doing, all they need to learn is how to animation cancel all their dmg abilities.

Edwin · May 2019

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

Starlock · May 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

This would ruin a lot of people's characters. And that is more than likely why they are being very conservative with their changes.

NotEdwin wrote: »

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

That's your opinion. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. This so-called "trash" morph is the only one I would ever consider using.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2019

Starlock wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

This would ruin a lot of people's characters. And that is more than likely why they are being very conservative with their changes.

More like it doesn't shovel enough money in compared to the effort.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I bet you get stam sorc morphs before us DKs get stam whip ;_;

I bet we get Half Life 3 before either

Starlock · May 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

This would ruin a lot of people's characters. And that is more than likely why they are being very conservative with their changes.

More like it doesn't shovel enough money in compared to the effort.

It wouldn't take any more or less effort than what they are already doing with class audits and rebalancing. I don't think this is a solid argument.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2019

Starlock wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

This would ruin a lot of people's characters. And that is more than likely why they are being very conservative with their changes.

More like it doesn't shovel enough money in compared to the effort.

It wouldn't take any more or less effort than what they are already doing with class audits and rebalancing. I don't think this is a solid argument.

Taking away/ adding a secondary effect, tweaking some numbers, change how damage scales at best - that's what they are doing atm. Reorganizing whole skill lines, adding stamina morph, reinventing from the ground up - that seems to me like more effort. But I'd be happy with a stam morph here and there, no reason for this whole specific dps/tank/heal-skill line thingy.

E: and I still believe that adding a new class brings more money in than bringing old ones up to speed.

Edwin · May 2019

Starlock wrote: »

NotEdwin wrote: »

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

That's your opinion. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. This so-called "trash" morph is the only one I would ever consider using.

I'm not competitive? Lol.

Are we talking about the Crystal Blast morph? The one that requires a cast time? Barely anyone uses it.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2019

NotEdwin wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

NotEdwin wrote: »

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

That's your opinion. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. This so-called "trash" morph is the only one I would ever consider using.

I'm not competitive? Lol.

Are we talking about the Crystal Blast morph? The one that requires a cast time? Barely anyone uses it.

Now we can't even have the magsorc's trash anymore :'( /s

Starlock · May 2019

NotEdwin wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

NotEdwin wrote: »

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

That's your opinion. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. This so-called "trash" morph is the only one I would ever consider using.

I'm not competitive? Lol.

Are we talking about the Crystal Blast morph? The one that requires a cast time? Barely anyone uses it.

Before you said "nobody" uses it, though? That is easy to demonstrate as false. Now it is "barely anyone?" Neither you nor I have proof of this. Zenimax has the data, but we don't. In any event, if it was changed, there would be those who miss it. They know this. It's why they carefully consider more dramatic changes to skills and such. That's a job made more difficult by their refusal to separate PvP and PvE, unfortunately.

ToRelax · May 2019

Mitaka211 wrote: »

It's simple , the majority of players are magika users , if they bother to make stamina classes viable (right now they are decent at best) it will be at their expense. The uproar will be far greater than whit stamina users.
Hell , i know how frustrating it is , try fighting a magplar or a magsorc with your stamplar or stamsorc. If you win , the magika users simply screwed up really bad, nothing more. Fight a really good player who uses a magsorc. As a stаmplar good luck surviving . You will be on the defensive the whole fight and the small openings that you get are not enough (unless you DA weapons) to deal any real dmg. Like magika users can get away with far more if they are bad players. The burst potential is always so damn high with them, so any standart mag dd build will instantly trump 80% of stamina builds. Like dude most of them don't even care what their opponent is doing, all they need to learn is how to animation cancel all their dmg abilities.

You sound like you came straight from 2014. Unless the mag Sorc is a pet sorc (which is generally overpowered, not just against certain stamina classes) or you are trying to kill a Templar healbot 1v1, both stam Sorc and especially Templar should be able to apply heavy pressure with twin slashes.
Stamina Templar isn't particularly mobile or tanky and resource management isn't great, yet it has a lot of pressure and burst potential while being able to purge Curse/Backlash sometimes. So in these fights both players have to try to stay on the offensive as much as possible or they will get overwhelmed.
Stamina Sorc is a much more well rounded class, with better resource management and mobility but no offensive stamina class abilities to supplement it's burst.

Edwin · May 2019

Starlock wrote: »

NotEdwin wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

NotEdwin wrote: »

I would like a stam frag, let's be honest, the other magicka morph of frags is trash and nobody uses it.

That's your opinion. Not everyone is a competitive gamer. This so-called "trash" morph is the only one I would ever consider using.

I'm not competitive? Lol.

Are we talking about the Crystal Blast morph? The one that requires a cast time? Barely anyone uses it.

Before you said "nobody" uses it, though? That is easy to demonstrate as false. Now it is "barely anyone?" Neither you nor I have proof of this. Zenimax has the data, but we don't. In any event, if it was changed, there would be those who miss it. They know this. It's why they carefully consider more dramatic changes to skills and such. That's a job made more difficult by their refusal to separate PvP and PvE, unfortunately.

Because pretty much nobody uses it. I've never seen anyone use it in PvE or PvP.

Abilities with cast times are generally hated, the majority of people use the other morph because it has an instant cast proc.

Imryll · May 2019

Also, Zeni has their thumb on the scale, and Crystal Blast is the recommended skill.

However, when mag users get their other weapon skill (or mag morphs of existing lines), I think it would only be fair for stam users to get more morphs of class skills. I think though, that these are changes that would need a third morph. Otherwise your choices are the stam choice, the mag choice, or skip, not really the basis for interesting character building, whether we're talking class skills or weapon lines.

david_m_18b16_ESO · May 2019

HaruKamui wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that, from a design standpoint, there's enough stamina skills in the game from snb/2h/dw/bow?

I would agree with you but then every stam class would be even more of the same.

But I do agree that DK don't really need a stamina whipe. They are probably the stam class that slot the most class skill on their PvP setup.

While stam sorc have like 2 or 3 class skill. Outside of streak playing a stam sorc in PvP really do feel generic.

Sheezabeast · May 2019

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I bet you get stam sorc morphs before us DKs get stam whip ;_;

I bet we get Half Life 3 before either

Uh....you have a point

BaylorCorvette · May 2019

This has been discussed a few times in some of the Sorc discords I'm in but in a nutshell here is the big wish list (bascially in order of importance)

1. Crit Surge scaling off of precise strikes and any other stam alternatives. This would make StamSorc self healing REALLY good.
2. Increase damage to hurricane or at least the initial two ticks as it gets refreshed before the third tier really has a chance to hit. That or make it last longer so it doesn't need to be refreshed as often and will have more time in it's third time expanding Also, it giving group minor expedition.
3. Either Crystal Shard OR Curse scale off max stats (that way Mag Sorc and StamSorc can utilize it). But if it scales off of max stats, then the damage TYPE also needs to change off of your max stats. Otherwise in a CP environment it will be useless on a StamSorc
4. Exploitation Passive gives minor savagery if stam is your higher resource
5. Capacitor Also give stam regeneration.
6. Stamina version of atronarch that follows you around doing aoe damage (similar to mechanic of Eye of the Storm). Since StamSorc is a mobile class, having stationary Atro is fairly useless.
7. Stamina version of overload. Gives major expedition when active and attacks have a shorter range than there magicka counterparts

Karmanorway · May 2019

+++ 5 years old stam main here :S

Cerbolt · May 2019

I love my stamsorc but as a class it really does feel underwhelming compared to the other stam classes. Please do something ZOS.

ZarkingFrued · May 2019

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I bet you get stam sorc morphs before us DKs get stam whip ;_;

I'm included in that us

stam whip

ZarkingFrued · May 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe they will rework all the classes eventually to be similar to the warden and necro in their set up

Not gonna lie. I think magsorc, necro, and warden should be a model for what the other classes need brought up to