Stamblade Guidance

jmunoz123 · May 2019

Ok so first I'll start off with what I do have.

CP 221
Thaum 33
Mighty 29
Precision Strikes 1
Master at Arms 10
Thickskinned 18
Hardy 18
Ironclad 37
Mooncalf 43
Tenacity 20
Warlord 10

Khajiit race
Skills currently slotted
Slot 1: Killer’s Blade Slot 1: Endless Hail
Slot 2: Rearming Trap Slot 2: Razor Caltrops
Slot 3: Surprise Attack Slot 3: Poison Injection
Slot 4: Rending Slashes Slot 4: Leeching Strikes
Slot 5: Relentless Focus Slot 5: Resolving Vigor
Ultimate: Flawless Dawnbreaker Ultimate: Incapacitating Strike

Weapon Crit 60%
Weapon damage 2040
Thief Mundus (Might switch to Warrior for extra wep damage)
Racial skill tree max
Assassination passives max
Shadow tree passives max
Siphoning Tree passives max
Vampire tree passives max(atleast the ones that benefit are maxed)
fighters guild pass max
Dual wield tree max
Bow tree max
Majority of my ability skills are max except for mabye 2
Undaunted Im still working on
Medium armor max

I have 1/2 pieces of the monster set I'm trying to get. Gear I have Medium 5/5 Viper set all purple and 5/5 purple Gryphon set. At this very moment I'm still using my hunding daggers and bow that are currently gold. (Don't have the resources to get a different pair weapons). Using essence of power pots and Damage health IX double poison.

My current rotation
Back Bar : Endless hail, Light Attack, Poison Injection, Light Attack, Razor Caltrops, Swap bars

Front Bar: Light Attack, Ultimate, Light attack Surprise Attack, Light attack Relentless Focus, Light Attack, Surprise Attack, Light attack, Surprise Attack, Attack,Light attack Blood Craze, Light attack Relentless Focus, Light Attack Re-arming Trap, Weapon Swap

Then i switch to this rotation after I start procing Spectral bow

Front bar: Light Attack, Relentless Focus(Spectral Bow), Heavy Attack, Surprise Attack, Heavy Attack, Surprise Attack, Light Attack, Relentless Focus (Spectral Bow), Light Attack, Blood Craze, Light Attack, Relentless, Focus, Light Attack, Re-arming Trap, Weapon Swap.

Ok now that I got everything out the way here's my dilemma. Now at this very moment I can maintain 15k on the training dummy with a perfect rotation (i understand the concept of animation canceling, im no pro but im getting better at it). Don't get me wrong I know different factors are in play when you're running dungeons but I've seen my best friend maintain 22k on the training dummy without the help of other buffs from party members. I'm not looking to get crazy numbers like 40 to 60k. I just want to be able to maintain a solid 18 to 20k on the dummy so I don't get kicked out of vet dungeons. So my question is what is keeping me from getting that extra 3 to 5k? Is it my CP thats not quite cutting it? My gear set? my rotation? What exactly is holding me back? If you say monster set, then I understand. I know those sets can help tremendously but I'm not cutting it in vet dungeons so my monster helm is still out of reach. I must be doing something wrong because I just cant get there. I've reached a plateau and I can't seem to break through it. Any help would be appreciated.

zvavi · May 2019

Incap>flawless damage wise (on the target), equipment wise, not sure what your setup is from your explanation. Plz elaborate. Also, answer is, more practice.

jmunoz123 · May 2019

These are the 2 gear sets im running

ChunkyCat · May 2019

The best guidance you can get is to start over as a mag sorc before it’s too late.

jmunoz123 · May 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

The best guidance you can get is to start over as a mag sorc before it’s too late.

This doesn't answer my questions but I will keep it under advisement.

Heimpai · May 2019

I’d probably go spriggans or night mother’s gaze and hundings till you get better gear

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-build-for-pve/ This will be more useful than i am, i mainly pvp so idk about cp allocation

Also weaving is very important if you la to quick it cancels out (idk if that only happens to us with higher ping) so focus on that and see from there

Grianasteri · May 2019

I'm no expert, my stamblade is not one of my best DPS characters, but he still does about 18k last time I checked, which was a while ago!

Anyhoo Id say until you have another full set you prefer, run Hundings, you already have gold weapons so go with that. Beyond that other far more experienced and better stamblades I am sure can help with rotation and skill selection etc.

FYI I run Hundings and Briarheart (because when solo it helps keep you alive).

macsmooth · May 2019

Couple of questions for you and observation

Are you going for a pressure build or a crit build?

Remove rearming trap or change gryphon set as both give you minor force

If you plan on keeping rearming trap move it to your back bar. Swap your ultimates around you want the damage bonus of fighters guild on your hail and cal abilities

If your going pressure build swap gryphon for morag tong set or deadly strike set with viper

If your going crit build swap viper for leviathan, if you remove trap keep gryphon if your keeping trap swap gryphon for briarheart

Either way put viper, gryphon or briarheart as your front bar and put Infused vma bow back bar if no vma bow then use Infused agility bow, weapon damage increase glyph

Your a nightblade your getting minor savagery and 10% crit damage plus a lot of crit for for each assassination ability slotted

Khajiit have 10% crit damage bonus plus the gryphon set so you be packing a crit bonus punch

Swap you Mundus stone to lover as you need the extra penetration more than crit

You said your running weapon pots do they have major savagery attached because that will be the better pots

Briarheart gold jewellery can be bought from guild stores they were flooded with them not long ago and there is a quest in Wrothgar for a dagger just run two characters through that quest for two daggers, what you waiting for go go go

As your cp increases you will see this improving on damage

Hopefully this will help you out until you hit harder dungeons and trials for replacement sets as you already practice a rotation but you have sets that are more for different builds and abilities doing the same thing as a set

If I come across short it’s because I’m typing on a phone so sorry if I seem short

Sorry I forgot to mention monsters sets
Selene or Velidreth but in their absence Kra’ghs will serve you pretty well

Edited to add in deadly strike set as I forgot about its changes

jmunoz123 · May 2019

Thank you for all the responses. I will test out all your theories. Much appreciated!

Theignson · May 2019

Have you run combat metrics?

Its important to use combat metrics to check your rotation.

The most important thing , on a dummy rotation, is to make sure all your light attacks are landing. If not, it means your cancelling timing is off.

So for example in 120 second parse you would like to see something like 100 light attacks landing

This was the single most important thing I could find about dps parses, especially if you have Relequens or need light attacks to proc another spell

To get even more precise you can open a combat metrics log of your parse and check the exact timing of all your attacks

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2019

First, it’s ALWAYS your rotation. Will more CP and better gear help? Yep, but your rotation is flawed or executed poorly if you aren’t breaking 20k at your CP level. You should realistically be shooting for the low 30s on a stamblade at your CP.

Second, in term of gear, a monster set would help and gryphon is frankly useless. The 5 piece bonus does nothing for you. Expedition doesn’t increase DPS and you get Minor Force from Rearming Trap. Major/minor buffs don’t stack. If you have gold hundings weapons, make a few armor pieces to complete the 5 piece. Viper is also not great for sustained DPS, at low CP, hundings/spriggans is probably your best bet. Find some blue spriggans jewelry and and 2 armor pieces. It will be cheap.

Third, night blades are a hard class to play with a static or fixed rotation. You want to try and prioritize your bow procs, which are dependent on a good weave. Static rotations also result in either over casting or under casting your dots and buffs.

There are two common bench marks when looking at your fight parse recap. Light attacks/per second, and average seconds between bow procs. Both can be calculated with simple division. You should have about .9 LA/sec and no more than about 7 seconds on average between your bow procs. Lower than .9 or higher than 7 shows some pretty big holes in your rotation/weave.

El_Borracho · May 2019

Focusing on your gear only, both Gryphons and Viper are better suited for PVP. Viper is okay, but its not that much of a DoT to run it over other sets. You'd be better off with Hundlings + Leviathan or Spriggans before hunting down trials gear. If you have the cash, Deadly Strike is a viable alternative, too.

I don't know what monster set you are going for, but there are really only two that are optimal for stamina PVE right now: Velidreth and Stormfist. At your CP and current DPS, I'd say shoot for Stormfist unless you have some friends that can carry you through Cradle of Shadows.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Sorry to say but stamina nightblade, divines bless the class, is going to be gutted, real hard.

Try this if you willing.

Gear.
Hundings rage, spriggan, selene. These are easy to get. All armor should be divines. Weapons and jewelry infused. All armor enchant stam. Jewelry enchant weapon damage. 1h axe poison, mace berserker, bow berserker enchant.

Skill.
Frontbar. Shrouded dagger, surprise attack, killer blade, rendering slashes, merciless resolve.
Backbar. Siphoning strike, rearming trap, endless hail, razor caltrops, poison injection.

Rotation.
Start off with merciless, barswap, siphoning strike, endless hail, rearming trap, razor caltrops, poison injection, barswap, shrouded dagger, surprise attack, rendering slashes, surprise attack x3.
Rinse, repeat.
Always fire spectral bow when ready.
Use 3x killers blade instead of surprise attack when target is less than 25% health.

I assume you dont have access to dubious cameron throne and weapon power potions, thats why I included shrouded dagger in the rotation.

It should do 25k dps give or take.

ShadowKyuubi · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Sorry to say but stamina nightblade, divines bless the class, is going to be gutted, real hard.

Try this if you willing.

Gear.
Hundings rage, spriggan, selene. These are easy to get. All armor should be divines. Weapons and jewelry infused. All armor enchant stam. Jewelry enchant weapon damage. 1h axe poison, mace berserker, bow berserker enchant.

Skill.
Frontbar. Shrouded dagger, surprise attack, killer blade, rendering slashes, merciless resolve.
Backbar. Siphoning strike, rearming trap, endless hail, razor caltrops, poison injection.

Rotation.
Start off with merciless, barswap, siphoning strike, endless hail, rearming trap, razor caltrops, poison injection, barswap, shrouded dagger, surprise attack, rendering slashes, surprise attack x3.
Rinse, repeat.
Always fire spectral bow when ready.
Use 3x killers blade instead of surprise attack when target is less than 25% health.

I assume you dont have access to dubious cameron throne and weapon power potions, thats why I included shrouded dagger in the rotation.

It should do 25k dps give or take.

I would recommend a slight tweak to the bar setup and rotation:

Bar 1: Surprise Attack, Ending Slashes, Killer's Blade, Relentless Focus, Rearming Trap, Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bar 2: Endless Hail, Poison Injection, Rearming Trap, Leeching Strikes, Razor Caltrops, Incapacitating Strikes

Always start a fight with Relentless focus and leeching strikes active
LA = Light Attack
HA = Heavy Attack
BS = Barswap

Rotations:
Endless Hail > LA > Poison Injection > LA > Razor Caltrops > LA > BS > Surprise Attack > LA > Rending Slashes > (Surprise Attack > LA)x2 > Rearming Trap > LA > BS > Repeat (proc Assassin's scourge as necessary and wait for leeching strikes to end before reapplying)

Execute Phase (Below 25%)
Endless Hail > LA > Poison Injection > LA > Rearming Trap > LA > BS > Rending Slashes > LA> (Killer's Blade > LA)x3or4 > Repeat (do not proc Assassin's scourge, but make sure to keep the buffs from Relentless focus up: note, with changes to minor beserker in next patch, you may not even need to keep it up)

I get 50k+ with this rotation on my stamblade. Now it is different from above because rearming trap should be applied on your front bar to reduce the number of skills you cast on your backbar. Why is this important? When you move to later game sets , like Advancing Yokeda, you will only have 5 seconds to apply all your backbar skills and then swap back to your frontbar, otherwise the buff falls off. While not necessary if you don't have advancing yokeda, it is still a solid rotation.

Important Sidenote: It is imparitive that you do not LA attack after a barswap. It causes a huge delay and you wont be able to cast endless hail. Instead, light attack before you swap bars and immediately go into another skill. You will find that it is a lot smoother of a transition and it tends to increase ones dps by about 1-2k.

Now this is a brief guide, if you want a better one. Liko has a stamblade build guide that I highly recommend. If you want to fully understand the class, read his text version of his guide.

Cheers,
Shadow

jmunoz123 · May 2019

ShadowKyuubi wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Sorry to say but stamina nightblade, divines bless the class, is going to be gutted, real hard.

Try this if you willing.

Gear.
Hundings rage, spriggan, selene. These are easy to get. All armor should be divines. Weapons and jewelry infused. All armor enchant stam. Jewelry enchant weapon damage. 1h axe poison, mace berserker, bow berserker enchant.

Skill.
Frontbar. Shrouded dagger, surprise attack, killer blade, rendering slashes, merciless resolve.
Backbar. Siphoning strike, rearming trap, endless hail, razor caltrops, poison injection.

Rotation.
Start off with merciless, barswap, siphoning strike, endless hail, rearming trap, razor caltrops, poison injection, barswap, shrouded dagger, surprise attack, rendering slashes, surprise attack x3.
Rinse, repeat.
Always fire spectral bow when ready.
Use 3x killers blade instead of surprise attack when target is less than 25% health.

I assume you dont have access to dubious cameron throne and weapon power potions, thats why I included shrouded dagger in the rotation.

It should do 25k dps give or take.

I would recommend a slight tweak to the bar setup and rotation:

Bar 1: Surprise Attack, Ending Slashes, Killer's Blade, Relentless Focus, Rearming Trap, Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bar 2: Endless Hail, Poison Injection, Rearming Trap, Leeching Strikes, Razor Caltrops, Incapacitating Strikes

Always start a fight with Relentless focus and leeching strikes active
LA = Light Attack
HA = Heavy Attack
BS = Barswap

Rotations:
Endless Hail > LA > Poison Injection > LA > Razor Caltrops > LA > BS > Surprise Attack > LA > Rending Slashes > (Surprise Attack > LA)x2 > Rearming Trap > LA > BS > Repeat (proc Assassin's scourge as necessary and wait for leeching strikes to end before reapplying)

Execute Phase (Below 25%)
Endless Hail > LA > Poison Injection > LA > Rearming Trap > LA > BS > Rending Slashes > LA> (Killer's Blade > LA)x3or4 > Repeat (do not proc Assassin's scourge, but make sure to keep the buffs from Relentless focus up: note, with changes to minor beserker in next patch, you may not even need to keep it up)

I get 50k+ with this rotation on my stamblade. Now it is different from above because rearming trap should be applied on your front bar to reduce the number of skills you cast on your backbar. Why is this important? When you move to later game sets , like Advancing Yokeda, you will only have 5 seconds to apply all your backbar skills and then swap back to your frontbar, otherwise the buff falls off. While not necessary if you don't have advancing yokeda, it is still a solid rotation.

Important Sidenote: It is imparitive that you do not LA attack after a barswap. It causes a huge delay and you wont be able to cast endless hail. Instead, light attack before you swap bars and immediately go into another skill. You will find that it is a lot smoother of a transition and it tends to increase ones dps by about 1-2k.

Now this is a brief guide, if you want a better one. Liko has a stamblade build guide that I highly recommend. If you want to fully understand the class, read his text version of his guide.

Cheers,
Shadow

Hey Shadow, your info was super informative. After trying a few different sets I found myself utilizing hunding/briar sets coupled with selene (working on stormfirst or kragh sets) I basically use this rotation already, also I know its probably frowned upon but I have a macro set up for both my rotations(macro software is from my logitech mouse). The delay between each light attack to ability is .5 ms and delay between ability to light attack is .9 ms ( i go manual depending on the situation but I find myself missing light attacks a lot when I do). I get 2 shadow bows off from my main bar every rotation which seems to be helping lately but im still barely reaching 18k in my dps meter. I only have about 242 CP which I highly believe that its keeping my from reaching my goal because of I dont have many points invested in my Mighty, Thaum, percision strikes and master of arms. I'm hearing people saying theyre reaching 20k+ easy which all purple gear but I wish I can see how theyre doing it rather than watching constant videos.