ESO Deciding to hit me with the feels too soon. [GOT Spoilers]

NordSwordnBoard · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Am I the only person who hated Jora Mormont?

There's not much to hate in that guy. 'kay, he used to be a slaver. Nobody's perfect. 'kay, he used to spy on her protégée for someone else's account. Nearly everyone does that in GOT.
Else he's loyal, clever, educated, brave, skilled, devoted, and extremely handsome.

His dad? Squander the family fortune and bring ruin to the name while he has to watch from the wall.

I_killed_Vivec · April 2019

I couldn't help thinking:

"Massed armies crushing our heroes...

Each overwhelmed by relentless forces...

Hope dwindling...

There's only one possible solution and that's a long shot...

Just throw the ring in the volcano Frodo!"

I thought it was going to be Arya - who else could it have been? Particularly after the "blue eyes" chat with Melisandre. And I'm very happy with that.

A bit less happy with Jon "Know nothing" Snow having played too much Skyrim recently and thinking he can try out his dragon shout on an undead dragon.

Imperial_Voice · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Am I the only person who hated Jora Mormont?

There's not much to hate in that guy. 'kay, he used to be a slaver. Nobody's perfect. 'kay, he used to spy on her protégée for someone else's account. Nearly everyone does that in GOT.
Else he's loyal, clever, educated, brave, skilled, devoted, and extremely handsome.

I dont mean to sound like I think Jora was a bad person and yes the actor is very handsome, i just hated the character as a person.

Chufu · April 2019

The orc loved Jorah, he was so nice. Danaerys unfortunately couldn't see that earlier, that he was the one (i believe) she loved always from deep inside her heart. And now it's too late, because he had to save her (by losing his life).

There were so many nice scenes in this episode I was wowed like every 3 Minutes, very exciting everything and a lot of things were happening differently than I expected (why is Bran for example not taking over a dragon? The three-eyed-raven told him that he will never walk again, but he will fly)!

But hey, Arya did a great job! What a surprise! And that move with the dagger.

They said: No one can kill the Nightking.
Arya knows: I am no one.

https://twitter.com/euphoriahit/status/1122845189654155265

Still missing the one and only:

*sigh* not many favorite characters left, poor Robb was dying so early.

Dithieon · April 2019

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

I couldn't help thinking:

"Massed armies crushing our heroes...

Each overwhelmed by relentless forces...

Hope dwindling...

There's only one possible solution and that's a long shot...

Just throw the ring in the volcano Frodo!"

I thought it was going to be Arya - who else could it have been? Particularly after the "blue eyes" chat with Melisandre. And I'm very happy with that.

A bit less happy with Jon "Know nothing" Snow having played too much Skyrim recently and thinking he can try out his dragon shout on an undead dragon.

Agreed about Arya,after the talk with Melisandre,I knew she was The One. As a previous poster had stated, I thought for sure Arya was playing The Game of Faces,using a Bran face to shank the Night King. Of course that would have meant killing Bran to get the face a la the Waif,so I guess flying out of thin air was the way to go.

Hallothiel · April 2019

She only jumped at the last minute - did you not see the bit seconds before when one of the White Walkers turns its head slightly and its hair is moved, as if by someone slipping past?

She is trained by the assassins of the God of Many Faces and is a kick arse assassin herself. Far better and more appropriate for her to be the killer than Jon (cos then most would have complained it was too obvious).

And this is all about the Iron Throne and Martin’s interest in medieval politics (ie War of the Roses) than fantasy. Ffs, as far as I recall the Night King isn’t even in the damn books.

mystkldrgnb14_ESO · April 2019

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Am I the only one who felt sorry for Theon? I thought his death was one of the most touching in the series, great character and great actor!

Also the death of the Nightking was ridiculous. I mean they hyped him up for several seasons and now he dies without even a fight?
Dude wtf it felt like they were trying to cram in a resolution to the entire thing into the last 5 mins of the episode.
And I know I'm in the minority here but I think more important characters should have been involved in the 'final fight'. Having trouble thinking of Arya as more than a side character. I mean she was cool with the hound but from that point her arc became kind of dull and she really wasn't a key player in any of the recent events and wasn't previously involved in the war against the dead.

The fight can't keep going - there's literally NO WAY TO WIN this battle without taking out the NK. It was (literally) the longest continuous battle scene ever shot in film/tv history - and you still c/o the NK died too fast?

If he starts getting in hits - he's going to win. Its not going to be an epic sword battle with a creature that magical. Its not going to be trading ice sword vs valerian steel fight with Jon. It never was going to be. That would be more nonsensical.

The whole plan was for Bran to bait him - the whole battle was just buying time hoping the NK would die sooner rather than later. Course, I too wondered "Wth is bran going to do with him?" in that scenario - but clearly Bran just needed to draw him out for someone to stab him in the back.

Because no you are not going to take on the NK toe to toe in a fight, face to face. That would be suicidally stupid.

I was expecting Arya to take out the Undead dragon, actually, when I saw she was building a spear - even better that she was the one who got to take out the NK with it.

NK would only be taken out by a lucky shot, or a surprise shot - and fast. She got both.

But the whole humanity survival depended on /his/ death. The hordes of undead aren't standing around while he fights someone one on one. It was always going to have to be a single stroke/ a single breath of fire - something big and instant; else you lose.

And why would you think Ayra was a minor player when she is 1-a Surviving Stark (none of them are minor!) and 2-had entire episode arcs about her development (same with other big characters) and 3-has been training to kill things very effectively for the majority of her life - all to prepare for coming home and to reap death incarnate on Stark enemies. To NOT expect her, now that she is home, and the two final battles are upon us - to take a more major role in the whole thing - makes no sense to me. This is literally everything her character has been preparing for.

Sure you may not appreciate the "Batman Arc" (as I call it - personally I think she's a more convincing batman than Bale lol) for her character Martin put her on - but for some of us she's had the most interesting, best, character arc than almost everyone else. I mean all Sansa did was complain, get kidnapped/married off her way around the 7 Kingdoms, "growing up", until luck got her back home and her family saved her. But no - sorry, Ayra's no minor character and never has been.

I was surprised to see it was her leaping up at the last second, sure. But I think its awesome! Jon was trapped by Undead Dragon so he was stuck. It was clear from Bran sitting there, doing nothing, that he wasn't really a threat (he's never been a threat to anyone without an animal to attack for him)- AND he already gave away the only weapon he had... to Ayra.

I'm hoping she takes out a few more of those on her list, personally, before the show takes her out. Assuming she isn't the one to be sitting the iron throne - more and more what I'm expecting at this point given the events of the first three episodes; Arya will be the one left standing at the end. (And possibly the only Stark left..)

But HBO is writing this now and not Martin. HBO may decide to have a lot more main characters survive at the end than we expect. If Martin were doing this - I'd be expecting everyone but one or two to die. So we shall see!

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But I figured it would all have to be wrapped up in one episode - for this fight. Because its NOT the FINAL fight. They have to take over the 7 kingdoms AFTER they defeat the NK. The Winterfell Battle, numbers wise, can't survive multiple episodes - the undead don't stop to sleep, or tend to wounded. There would never have been a "Pause" to the thousands coming into winterfell so there's no realistic way to keep this fight going for more than one episode without some huge deus ex plot armor keeping people alive.

Because this is only the next to last battle (since the order HBO decided on was NK first then the 7 kingdoms vs. the other way around lol). There's only what.. 4...5 episodes left this season? They gotta march on King's Landing and take the 7 kingdoms now.

Just sucks they can't use the NK as a threat anymore - I was really hoping Cercsei would have to stare into his undead face and realize how much she !#@#$$ up - before she died. Bonus to watch King's Landing and her family history burn around her first... !

deadsheepb14_ESO · April 2019

mystkldrgnb14_ESO wrote: »

Because this is only the next to last battle (since the order HBO decided on was NK first then the 7 kingdoms vs. the other way around lol). There's only what.. 4...5 episodes left this season? They gotta march on King's Landing and take the 7 kingdoms now.

There are only 6 episodes in this last season. So there are 3 more left.

godchucknzilla · April 2019

Osteos wrote: »

Personally I would have made more trenches and wider ones. Maybe shot the trebs more and not fed my horsemen to the dead before the battle started.

I'm just here for the dragons. If they go my interest in the show goes with them.

Lol the horse charge at the beginning is *** 101.

Crixus8000 · April 2019

Am I the only one who thinks the white walkers heard/seen her coming but just didn't do anything about it ? I mean the Night king clearly made them stand down, one of the generals even turns his head to show he seen or heard Arya and even after she goes for the attack, all the white walkers just stand still, I think it was just a mistake by the Night king, being too overconfident. Plus even so, arya is quick, they was all facing one direction, it's not totally impossible that she just ran past them before they could do anything about it, it's not like the generals have exactly moved fast in previous episodes.

Runefang · April 2019

I'm glad it ended quickly, the whole dragons and undead thing seemed silly for this series anyway. It should stick to intrigue, deception and an actual attempt to get the iron throne and the 7 kingdoms. Magic and fantasy should be a side note.

bluebird · April 2019

godchucknzilla wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Personally I would have made more trenches and wider ones. Maybe shot the trebs more and not fed my horsemen to the dead before the battle started.

I'm just here for the dragons. If they go my interest in the show goes with them.

Lol the horse charge at the beginning is *** 101.

To all the people criticizing the charge, what were they supposed to do? Even if you look at the strategy map they drew the night before, it shows that there's nothing stopping the army of the dead from swarming out across the sides of the human troops and enveloping the entite castle. The dead don't fight in formation, they're a wave of death, a mob of zombies that would spread wherever they could. So even if they assign the dothraki to the flank, they'd be swarmed in seconds by wights, and if they're just waiting around on the side they wouldn't even have room or time to gather momentum for a charge because the whole field would be crowded by bodies everywhere at that point. So a single charge to reduce the strength of the dead's frontline was really the only thing those dothraki could do (sad, but true; R.I.P.)

Plus, the entire point of the strategy was to delay the dead until the NK focuses on Bran and makes himself vulnerable, so no amount of cavalry flanking or harassment would've worked, only a chance to delay death long enough for Dany and Jon to ambush the NK. Because there was no way the NK would die in anything but a sudden unexpected strike, and every soldier was expendable because without the NK's death they would've never won against the dead numbers-wise anyway, master strategy or not. (Buuut then Dany of course had to ruin their ambush plan by starting to fry mindless zombies, when their real goal was supposed to be to get the jump on the NK instead... ah well, it worked out fine in the end

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red_emu · April 2019

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Arya teleports out of mid air (into an area completely encircled by walkers and wights I might add) and stabs the night king with some Assassin's Creed (but less cool) style moves.

@Ectheliontnacil
This! I also found it absolutely ridiculous and was sitting like "wtf just happened?". It looked like producers completely ran out of creative ideas.

Arya was trying to incap NK but he blocked, unfortunately even though Theon was dead, his snipes desynched and hit the NK all at once

doomette · April 2019

Arya has always been my favorite, so for me, that ending was sooooo satisfying. I can even forgive little Lady Mormont’s death (I mean, she did take a zombie giant with her). Jorah and Ed were of course sad too.

I’m glad Davos got to see Melisandre’s death, the face he made when he realized what happened to Shireen was soul-crushing.

Osteos · April 2019

bluebird wrote: »

godchucknzilla wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Personally I would have made more trenches and wider ones. Maybe shot the trebs more and not fed my horsemen to the dead before the battle started.

I'm just here for the dragons. If they go my interest in the show goes with them.

Lol the horse charge at the beginning is *** 101.

To all the people criticizing the charge, what were they supposed to do? Even if you look at the strategy map they drew the night before, it shows that there's nothing stopping the army of the dead from swarming out across the sides of the human troops and enveloping the entite castle. The dead don't fight in formation, they're a wave of death, a mob of zombies that would spread wherever they could. So even if they assign the dothraki to the flank, they'd be swarmed in seconds by wights, and if they're just waiting around on the side they wouldn't even have room or time to gather momentum for a charge because the whole field would be crowded by bodies everywhere at that point. So a single charge to reduce the strength of the dead's frontline was really the only thing those dothraki could do (sad, but true; R.I.P.)

Plus, the entire point of the strategy was to delay the dead until the NK focuses on Bran and makes himself vulnerable, so no amount of cavalry flanking or harassment would've worked, only a chance to delay death long enough for Dany and Jon to ambush the NK. Because there was no way the NK would die in anything but a sudden unexpected strike, and every soldier was expendable because without the NK's death they would've never won against the dead numbers-wise anyway, master strategy or not. (Buuut then Dany of course had to ruin their ambush plan by starting to fry mindless zombies, when their real goal was supposed to be to get the jump on the NK instead... ah well, it worked out fine in the end )

Well I expect something better than riding off to die before the battle even starts. It was dumb. Also fire those trebs! Needed more trebs and more wide trenches with funnel points. The cavalry could have circled around the castle between 2 trenches charging down undead as they funneled through. I get they didn't have a lot of time to prepare but it was lackluster.

bluebird · April 2019

Osteos wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

godchucknzilla wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

Personally I would have made more trenches and wider ones. Maybe shot the trebs more and not fed my horsemen to the dead before the battle started.

I'm just here for the dragons. If they go my interest in the show goes with them.

Lol the horse charge at the beginning is *** 101.

To all the people criticizing the charge, what were they supposed to do? Even if you look at the strategy map they drew the night before, it shows that there's nothing stopping the army of the dead from swarming out across the sides of the human troops and enveloping the entite castle. The dead don't fight in formation, they're a wave of death, a mob of zombies that would spread wherever they could. So even if they assign the dothraki to the flank, they'd be swarmed in seconds by wights, and if they're just waiting around on the side they wouldn't even have room or time to gather momentum for a charge because the whole field would be crowded by bodies everywhere at that point. So a single charge to reduce the strength of the dead's frontline was really the only thing those dothraki could do (sad, but true; R.I.P.)

Plus, the entire point of the strategy was to delay the dead until the NK focuses on Bran and makes himself vulnerable, so no amount of cavalry flanking or harassment would've worked, only a chance to delay death long enough for Dany and Jon to ambush the NK. Because there was no way the NK would die in anything but a sudden unexpected strike, and every soldier was expendable because without the NK's death they would've never won against the dead numbers-wise anyway, master strategy or not. (Buuut then Dany of course had to ruin their ambush plan by starting to fry mindless zombies, when their real goal was supposed to be to get the jump on the NK instead... ah well, it worked out fine in the end )

Well I expect something better than riding off to die before the battle even starts. It was dumb. Also fire those trebs! Needed more trebs and more wide trenches with funnel points. The cavalry could have circled around the castle between 2 trenches charging down undead as they funneled through. I get they didn't have a lot of time to prepare but it was lackluster.

Oh, I do agree about the trebuchets, they should have been shooting before, and shooting for a lot longer. However, they couldn't really see (I assume because of the NK's fog) so if they waited longer to charge, the dead might be too close and then the dothraki would be caught between the unsullied and the dead with no room to maneuver. I suspect the trenches were limited because of time, and because it takes a lot of effort to dig up frozen earth, and because they had to encircle the entire castle and thus cover a lot of ground, otherwise they could've had several lines of fire set up. I'm not sure about the 'cavalry between two trenches' scnerio though, as that would make the dothraki stuck in a narrow circle around the castle, limiting their numbers (basically only a few of them being in contact with the dead) and movement (stuck between spikes and growing piles of corpses).

DarcyMardin · April 2019

Totally unexpected, but great ending. You go, Arya, my girl!

deadsheepb14_ESO · April 2019

"Listen and understand. The undead are out there. They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are all dead." (that's a paraphrased quote from Terminator) But the point is you can't use standard combat tactics against an overwhelming force of that nature.

max_only · May 2019

DK main got nerfed hard though rip Berric Dondarrion.

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Stop the reflecting scales nerf Zos lol

max_only · May 2019

red_emu wrote: »

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Arya teleports out of mid air (into an area completely encircled by walkers and wights I might add) and stabs the night king with some Assassin's Creed (but less cool) style moves.

@Ectheliontnacil
This! I also found it absolutely ridiculous and was sitting like "wtf just happened?". It looked like producers completely ran out of creative ideas.

Arya was trying to incap NK but he blocked, unfortunately even though Theon was dead, his snipes desynched and hit the NK all at once

Lol the entire time I said she should have taken the other Shadow Cloak morph.

doomette wrote: »

Arya has always been my favorite, so for me, that ending was sooooo satisfying. I can even forgive little Lady Mormont’s death (I mean, she did take a zombie giant with her). Jorah and Ed were of course sad too.

I’m glad Davos got to see Melisandre’s death, the face he made when he realized what happened to Shireen was soul-crushing.

Davos Seaworth is my number 1 favorite character in the show. Now that I’ve actually admitted it in writing, I’m pretty sure he’ll die next.

SFDB · May 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

All I'm going to say is if Arya doesn't use her assassin skills to take out Cersei, I will be greatly disappointed!

That's why I was surprised to see Arya kill the Night King, it seemed set up perfectly for her to kill Cersei and end this. Having her kill BOTH threats in the final season would seem like just repeating yourself. I have no problem with her killing the Night King, I just think they've tied their hands so that killing Cersei is the one thing she can't do.

Osteos · May 2019

max_only wrote: »

Davos Seaworth is my number 1 favorite character in the show. Now that I’ve actually admitted it in writing, I’m pretty sure he’ll die next.

What have you done!?!

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2019

SFDB wrote: »

That's why I was surprised to see Arya kill the Night King, it seemed set up perfectly for her to kill Cersei and end this. Having her kill BOTH threats in the final season would seem like just repeating yourself. I have no problem with her killing the Night King, I just think they've tied their hands so that killing Cersei is the one thing she can't do.

The one and only person to kill Cersei is Jaime. It's the only scenario that makes complete sense.

LadySinflower · May 2019

Seriously I am beyond tired of people complaining about how the a-hole Night King died. I hated him and he gave me legit nightmares for years. Those creepy blue eyes! Arya was bad-a$$ and I think her previous character development made her perfect to take him out. We have seen her do that move several times and I'm glad it worked in this instance. Until that happened I was sitting there wondering what they were going to do with 3 more episodes since everyone was about to die. They dramatically cut the need for long-wigged extras and so many horses on set by "feeding" the Dothraki to the dead. Very practical and frightening on the show, because you knew the Dothraki would now be against them. I was on the edge of my seat scared to death the entire time. That is what I care about. They reeled me in and I was da*n glad to be rid of that jerk. All the questions about what the NK wanted have been answered. He wanted to kill the only other powerful greenseer in existence. Like Jojen, Bran had seen the event of his own death beforehand and took steps to prevent it by giving Arya the dagger. Everything we've seen before has prepared Arya for that moment. I'm proud of her and hope Maisie Williams gets an award (at the very least) and lots of future work. Theon got a very heroic death and so did Jorah, something both characters richly deserved. Dolorous Edd and Berick went out heroically as well. We still have Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Varys, Jamie, Brienne, Arya, the Hound, Podrick, and Tormund to kick Cersei's smug a$$ and I can't wait. I'm not sure about the fate of Grey Worm and it looked like nearly all the Unsullied were killed. I'm also not sure about Rhaegal but I love Drogon that much more for his reaction to his momma's tears. And we still have Bronn, the wild card whose actions we can't predict. This is great storytelling and epic television. Stop complaining. We have unknowingly watched the prep for that very scene (Arya vs NK) for several seasons.

LadySinflower · May 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

All I'm going to say is if Arya doesn't use her assassin skills to take out Cersei, I will be greatly disappointed!

This! ^^^^^

Everyone has been anticipating and almost expecting Arya to be the one to get rid of Cersei, yet they are peeved that she took out the NK. She's an assassin! It's what she does! Deal with it!

Osteos · May 2019

@LadySinflower There are are two dragons flying in the preview for next week

I hope they survive.

Skyrim , GoT and now eso have done a great job bringing dragons to life.

LadySinflower · May 2019

Osteos wrote: »

@LadySinflower There are are two dragons flying in the preview for next week

I hope they survive.

Skyrim , GoT and now eso have done a great job bringing dragons to life.

Thank you for that. I haven't seen any previews since I'm trying to avoid any chance of a spoiler. I'm glad Rhaegal is ok.