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After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »kylewwefan wrote: »
Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.
Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.
People screamed like hell for Steel Tornado nerfs and got it, Jesus beam takes longer and has risks.
On my death recap I am so tired of seeing damage from another class like stamden which I would expect because I was fighting one only to see the final blow from a sorc being Mage's Wrath with no other damage from said sorc.
Almost every recap this is the case.
You do realize that Death Recap only reflects a small period of time, right? I could be duking it out with you 1v1 on my mag sorc, only to have a stamden swoop in with a burst combo just as I throw in my finishing combo. That lone Wrath you see in your recap does not necessarily paint the full picture.
I’m really tired of being accused of “kill stealing” just because I happen to use my class execute when people are, gasp, in execute range.
No duh, you only see the last skills used on you. That is my point exactly Wrath is always at the bottom of the list as the execute even though I was fighting some one else, some sorc safe in their zerg spams wrath and gets the final blow when someone else gets me into execute range.
I wouldn't mind the sorc using the execute on me if they were the actual one I was fighting.
It happens way more often than some other class jumping in.
Pet meat shields and wrath need adjustment.
Wrath is dodgeable. The secondary effect (which only appears if Wrath is cast on you before you hit 20% health) can be purged before you enter execute range. Implosion (which used to synergize well with Wrath, providing a more or less a dual execute when both fired) has been completely revamped. What more do you want? I agree that something needs to be done with the meat shields, but Wrath is fine. And yeah, it’s not at all surprising that the last skill on your recap is frequently Wrath, considering that it’s a ranged execute... My death recaps often feature single casts of Steel Tornado, Radiant Glory, Executioner/Reverse Slice, Wrath/Fury, etc. with the bulk of the damage coming from other players. Executes are specifically designed to finish people off, and are thus working as intended. Why does it bother you if you die to one player and an execute from another player? You probably would have died anyway, given that you were in execute range. And if you’re bothered by people on your alliance/BG team stealing your kills, why? If you’re in a team based PvP environment, your individual K/D ratio is unimportant. As far as BG scoring goes, assists count towards your score. The only time when you are justified for calling other people out over “kill stealing” is when the other team/alliance steals kills from you — and any class can do that.4 -
Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭No legit sorc is arguing mag sorc is weak. But all this OP nonsense stems from one core issue...Pets. none of that *** is happening on non pet builds. The dmg on the Matriarch needs to be toned down.
All in all i wish they'd revert the healing ward nerf to bring back viable open world builds that dont rely on the matriarch.
Not slotting a pet is only gimping yourself, you get so much for giving up two bar slots there are no pvp setups without a pet that trump a pet build.
No one reading these posts from zerg/trash sorcs take them seriously, but the forumbad majority crying for nerfs against the class that don't target pets would be bad and devastating.4 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Malamar1229 wrote: »
Not slotting a pet is only gimping yourself, you get so much for giving up two bar slots there are no pvp setups without a pet that trump a pet build.
Maybe in open world, but not in BGs. I kill pet sorcs every day with my no-pet build. Pet sorcs generally don’t build with defense in mind, because they rely overmuch on pets for free mitigation and heals. Pet builds are only effective in BGs when multiple pet sorcs are tightly stacked to frustrate your targeting efforts. Also, the Matriarch’s heal is lacklustre in no CP. I’d much rather have the two extra skills and rely on Life Giver during those moments when the midden hits the windmill.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »With the Amplitude change, magsorcs are now among the damage powerhouses, only rivaled by magdks and heavy stamblades. They do rely on shields to survive because that's just how the class was designed to function. However, when combined with other self heals, such as power surge or matriarch, magsorcs can be a very formidable force. Their kit is forgiving to new players, with an offensive rotation revolving around timed bursts, yet when fully mastered, the class is really strong. Most magsorcs who die to other players either have not fully mastered their offensive and defensive rotations, or were just outplayed. With the right build, they have the best of everything - good sustain with dark conversion, harness magicka and lich, as well as high damage and defense by stacking max magicka for shields or matriarch burst heal. As a magsorc, your only real opponents are magdks, heavy blades, and maybe stamdks. The rest will not be much of a challenge.
I play solo PvP 90% of my time in cyrodiil. When I fight outnumbered and there's a magsorc, my ability to survive decreases dramatically. It's really that much of a difference!
Gotta say, that's all BGs are3 -
Hyperion616✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »With the Amplitude change, magsorcs are now among the damage powerhouses, only rivaled by magdks and heavy stamblades. They do rely on shields to survive because that's just how the class was designed to function. However, when combined with other self heals, such as power surge or matriarch, magsorcs can be a very formidable force. Their kit is forgiving to new players, with an offensive rotation revolving around timed bursts, yet when fully mastered, the class is really strong. Most magsorcs who die to other players either have not fully mastered their offensive and defensive rotations, or were just outplayed. With the right build, they have the best of everything - good sustain with dark conversion, harness magicka and lich, as well as high damage and defense by stacking max magicka for shields or matriarch burst heal. As a magsorc, your only real opponents are magdks, heavy blades, and maybe stamdks. The rest will not be much of a challenge.
I play solo PvP 90% of my time in cyrodiil. When I fight outnumbered and there's a magsorc, my ability to survive decreases dramatically. It's really that much of a difference!
Gotta say, that's all BGs are
Bought the game two weeks ago, decided to give battlegrounds a try and oh boy it was different. I've played something similar to ESO's battlegrounds in Perfect World Entertainments Neverwinter game.
The first thing I noticed once I dinged level 10 and headed into a battleground was the sorcs running around blowing things up. Than I noticed just how chaotic it all seemed, I guess because I'm new to the way pvp is done in this game or something, but my lord every game I've done from level 10 to 19 seems to have so many sorcs in them.
At higher levels does that change?
Also, are there macro's in this game for various spells, or is it just flip flopping between the two bars?I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hyperion616 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »With the Amplitude change, magsorcs are now among the damage powerhouses, only rivaled by magdks and heavy stamblades. They do rely on shields to survive because that's just how the class was designed to function. However, when combined with other self heals, such as power surge or matriarch, magsorcs can be a very formidable force. Their kit is forgiving to new players, with an offensive rotation revolving around timed bursts, yet when fully mastered, the class is really strong. Most magsorcs who die to other players either have not fully mastered their offensive and defensive rotations, or were just outplayed. With the right build, they have the best of everything - good sustain with dark conversion, harness magicka and lich, as well as high damage and defense by stacking max magicka for shields or matriarch burst heal. As a magsorc, your only real opponents are magdks, heavy blades, and maybe stamdks. The rest will not be much of a challenge.
I play solo PvP 90% of my time in cyrodiil. When I fight outnumbered and there's a magsorc, my ability to survive decreases dramatically. It's really that much of a difference!
Gotta say, that's all BGs are
Bought the game two weeks ago, decided to give battlegrounds a try and oh boy it was different. I've played something similar to ESO's battlegrounds in Perfect World Entertainments Neverwinter game.
The first thing I noticed once I dinged level 10 and headed into a battleground was the sorcs running around blowing things up. Than I noticed just how chaotic it all seemed, I guess because I'm new to the way pvp is done in this game or something, but my lord every game I've done from level 10 to 19 seems to have so many sorcs in them.
At higher levels does that change?
Also, are there macro's in this game for various spells, or is it just flip flopping between the two bars?
My last BG: x4 sorc (my team) x4 DK (another team) and the last team had x2 NBs, a Warden, and a Templar.
But all of this is moot in Elsweyr imo.
I'm unaware of any macros etc0 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!
Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.
No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled
Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...
Like I said you're being defensive and projecting hard lol
There is nothing defensive (or whatever you mean by it) by saying that you 150% certainly have real learn to play issues on the PvP. As said nothing personal but that shines out like a bright sun.
To be honest these forums have a lot of that type around both in PvP and PvE side of things so nothing to be shame of either in that respect.
Lol still projecting
Lol.. still trolling with serious learn to play issues on pvp ...as said nothing to be shamed of... 1 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!
Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.
No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled
Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...
Like I said you're being defensive and projecting hard lol
There is nothing defensive (or whatever you mean by it) by saying that you 150% certainly have real learn to play issues on the PvP. As said nothing personal but that shines out like a bright sun.
To be honest these forums have a lot of that type around both in PvP and PvE side of things so nothing to be shame of either in that respect.
Lol still projecting
Lol.. still trolling with serious learn to play issues on pvp ...as said nothing to be shamed of...
Godamn you are so defensive man. Nothing's wrong with accepting that magsorc has a low skill ceiling to perform well. That's all the OP said.2 -
Sp1dHQ✭✭✭Hyperion616 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »With the Amplitude change, magsorcs are now among the damage powerhouses, only rivaled by magdks and heavy stamblades. They do rely on shields to survive because that's just how the class was designed to function. However, when combined with other self heals, such as power surge or matriarch, magsorcs can be a very formidable force. Their kit is forgiving to new players, with an offensive rotation revolving around timed bursts, yet when fully mastered, the class is really strong. Most magsorcs who die to other players either have not fully mastered their offensive and defensive rotations, or were just outplayed. With the right build, they have the best of everything - good sustain with dark conversion, harness magicka and lich, as well as high damage and defense by stacking max magicka for shields or matriarch burst heal. As a magsorc, your only real opponents are magdks, heavy blades, and maybe stamdks. The rest will not be much of a challenge.
I play solo PvP 90% of my time in cyrodiil. When I fight outnumbered and there's a magsorc, my ability to survive decreases dramatically. It's really that much of a difference!
Gotta say, that's all BGs are
Bought the game two weeks ago, decided to give battlegrounds a try and oh boy it was different. I've played something similar to ESO's battlegrounds in Perfect World Entertainments Neverwinter game.
The first thing I noticed once I dinged level 10 and headed into a battleground was the sorcs running around blowing things up. Than I noticed just how chaotic it all seemed, I guess because I'm new to the way pvp is done in this game or something, but my lord every game I've done from level 10 to 19 seems to have so many sorcs in them.
At higher levels does that change?
Also, are there macro's in this game for various spells, or is it just flip flopping between the two bars?
Feel sorry for you. Playing below 50 PVP is a pain. If you think that magsorcs are unforgiving, you didn’t meet werewolves...
A lot of people make new characters, make a purple/gold pvp below 50 gear and go out there to boost their ego. And you are lvl 10, while opponents 45 lvl. You have no chance even if they are also new. Start playing BG after lvl 40, or after getting gear at 50+160CP. Otherwise you are not going to have fun.
Probably there are people with macro in pve, but in pvp I am not sure, probably because of unstable ping animation cancelling with macro will lead you to nowhere. There is a high skill ceiling in this game. You can animation cancel skills (with block, bash, barswap, roll), weave light and heavy attacks with skills etc. So a good payer can land 3-4 skills mixed with light attacks and bashes in 1 sec. probably that is what you call macro.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think the success of a pvper is more dependent on the player's skill than the class that is being used...
no doubt though mages fury is made for battleground's deathmatch...
for myself, sorc's really excel at zerg surfing...however, if it's solo, small scale stuff, would rather have a nightblade or warden...
haven't really noticed that much of a population class disparity in vivec...
pretty soon though everyone will be a necromancer...Edited by geonsocal on April 30, 2019 6:55AMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Got Flawless just now on my main non pet mag sorc
still no bow 
2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton0 -
MirkoZ✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Petsorcs are op, nopetsorcs instead are ok2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just another Sorc thread. I thought that it had dawned on the community that
- 30-0 BG scores are no proper assessment of any class, just shows how good your class is at kill stealing
- that dueling isn’t a measure of class balance either
- that there is quite the difference between non-pet and pet Sorc, and in CP and noCP
- that the only thing “OP” about pet Sorcs is the available LoS because of the abysmal targeting
Play a pet Sorc open world Cyrodiil and I doubt it’s really “OP” - not more than say, a StamWarden or a StamNB or a block-casting Templar.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
The ones that use that flying harpy thing are nasty and one of my toughest opponents.0 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Just another Sorc thread. I thought that it had dawned on the community that
- 30-0 BG scores are no proper assessment of any class, just shows how good your class is at kill stealing
- that dueling isn’t a measure of class balance either
- that there is quite the difference between non-pet and pet Sorc, and in CP and noCP
- that the only thing “OP” about pet Sorcs is the available LoS because of the abysmal targeting
Play a pet Sorc open world Cyrodiil and I doubt it’s really “OP” - not more than say, a StamWarden or a StamNB or a block-casting Templar.
you def might be on to something it's funny though that yesterday I said that this is what most people would say to dispute this post...
Edit: somebody is either going to say "duels don't count because you can't balance for 1v1" or "sorcs are good at beating new players try that with good players" or maybe "you need to try other classes then come back and see that sorc really isn't that powerful..did I miss anything lol
Edited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 1:59PM0 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
The problem is that you use duel as a metric wich is really meaningless. Sorc could be OP but if your reason for this statement is duel then you'r invalidating all of your complaint.1 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »
The problem is that you use duel as a metric wich is really meaningless. Sorc could be OP but if your reason for this statement is duel then you'r invalidating all of your complaint.
Nah, you can't use any metric when talking about sorcs. We've discussed bg's, duels, open world pvp, group play and each one is countered by saying sorcs don't do well in any of those categories. The actual thing is that a person can't say anything about sorcs without out the sorc brigade coming out. Even your comment comes off as stupid because duels were only brought up in like 2 or 3 of the comments while most have been about open world pvp/bgs. I understanding blindly defending things you're fond of as cognitive dissonance is a real epidemic in the 21st century. It's cool we all have our opinions2 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Why all of these nerf X class for PvP still appear outside of the PvP sub-forum ?1
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »Why all of these nerf X class for PvP still appear outside of the PvP sub-forum ?
Tne real question is why you didn't respond to anything I said in the comment I made to you
my point of this thread is that sorcs are well equipped for openworld pvp and I would like other classes buffed to be brought up to there level. Really, i'd just like other classes to have comparable escape mechanisms but would like sorcs untouched as they are in good spot. Here is sorc that did a nice 1vx if you keep up with the top pvp clips of the week you'd know that they have been well represented over the last few months.
https://youtu.be/zGHuGAOiVG0?t=657 start @ 10.55 Edited by Ayastigi on April 30, 2019 1:04PM2 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What's up with the players in that video? Slowest BG I've seen in a long time. Uhm...
Edited by mairwen85 on April 30, 2019 1:05PM2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »kylewwefan wrote: »
Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.
Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.
People screamed like hell for Steel Tornado nerfs and got it, Jesus beam takes longer and has risks.
On my death recap I am so tired of seeing damage from another class like stamden which I would expect because I was fighting one only to see the final blow from a sorc being Mage's Wrath with no other damage from said sorc.
Almost every recap this is the case.
You do realize that Death Recap only reflects a small period of time, right? I could be duking it out with you 1v1 on my mag sorc, only to have a stamden swoop in with a burst combo just as I throw in my finishing combo. That lone Wrath you see in your recap does not necessarily paint the full picture.
I’m really tired of being accused of “kill stealing” just because I happen to use my class execute when people are, gasp, in execute range.
No duh, you only see the last skills used on you. That is my point exactly Wrath is always at the bottom of the list as the execute even though I was fighting some one else, some sorc safe in their zerg spams wrath and gets the final blow when someone else gets me into execute range.
I wouldn't mind the sorc using the execute on me if they were the actual one I was fighting.
It happens way more often than some other class jumping in.
Pet meat shields and wrath need adjustment.
Wrath is dodgeable. The secondary effect (which only appears if Wrath is cast on you before you hit 20% health) can be purged before you enter execute range. Implosion (which used to synergize well with Wrath, providing a more or less a dual execute when both fired) has been completely revamped. What more do you want? I agree that something needs to be done with the meat shields, but Wrath is fine. And yeah, it’s not at all surprising that the last skill on your recap is frequently Wrath, considering that it’s a ranged execute... My death recaps often feature single casts of Steel Tornado, Radiant Glory, Executioner/Reverse Slice, Wrath/Fury, etc. with the bulk of the damage coming from other players. Executes are specifically designed to finish people off, and are thus working as intended. Why does it bother you if you die to one player and an execute from another player? You probably would have died anyway, given that you were in execute range. And if you’re bothered by people on your alliance/BG team stealing your kills, why? If you’re in a team based PvP environment, your individual K/D ratio is unimportant. As far as BG scoring goes, assists count towards your score. The only time when you are justified for calling other people out over “kill stealing” is when the other team/alliance steals kills from you — and any class can do that.
Because a sorc killing me while I am fighting some one else with no risk to themselves is cowardly that is why.
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Having swam with other fish, they all feel under powered somehow. Slaughter Fish are too OP -- all other fish need to be buffed to the same level.2 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
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group of more experienced players farms less organized players one by one. i have video from the other side of barricades form unexperienced one. its even slower. i need to make few fresh records for such a threadsWhat's up with the players in that video? Slowest BG I've seen in a long time. Uhm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV5l8CF6APA 0 -
EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
I'm a Sorc but notice several sorcs are not as good as I am and several are better. When fighting NBs, DKs, or Templars I guess you have't fought some good ones.
Cyro is rather balanced, imo. Sorc might be your best fit, for others...not so much.0 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »
group of more experienced players farms less organized players one by one. i have video from the other side of barricades form unexperienced one. its even slower.What's up with the players in that video? Slowest BG I've seen in a long time. Uhm...
So... potato farming then?Edited by mairwen85 on April 30, 2019 1:59PM0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's up with the players in that video? Slowest BG I've seen in a long time. Uhm...
What do you mean by “slow”? Keep in mind that this is on console with slower camera turn speed and 30 FPS or less. It’s also on a map that slows TTK down significantly due to all the LOS opportunities.0
lawl