After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.

Emma_Overload · April 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......

Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!

NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.

I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.

You missed my point. Sorcs aren't more powerful than other classes. There are some situations where they shine, however, and others where they fail. If you're having trouble with them, it's because you're choosing to fight battles where the odds are not in your favor. For example, the best class for Cyrodiil tower farming is Stam Warden (see Fengrush on YouTube), because they are well suited for that environment. Nightblades are the best class by far for roaming the Imperial City because Cloak allows them to aggro and de-aggro mobs at will. Stamina builds usually outclass Magicka builds for the simple reason that they do more damage and use less resources (the forums love to ignore that fact for some reason.) Melee classes like Templars and DKs are well suited for duelling because the dueling area restricts mobile builds to stay in much closer range than usual. Pets are helpful in duels, of course, but many dueling tournaments ban them for this reason.

I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy who says your problem is a "L2P issue", but.... If you're having trouble with Sorcs in 2019, you really need to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish and how you are trying to get there.

I could say the same about you after watching pelican x you on his sorc. Looked like a l2p issue

LOL, what is up with this video all of a sudden, this is the second time I've seen it mentioned in a week? Do sorc haters have this little club or something where they talk trash and trade stories about sorcs they don't like? How childish! Anyway, I had no idea Pelican was fighting when I jumped in to that battle, I just saw some random action going on. However, this is a perfect example of learning to pick your battles wisely, which I failed to do. I have a bad habit of not checking name tags or even CP levels to gauge what I am getting into. As a result I got sloppy and died unexpectedly. Right after I got killed I respawned in the keep and came back out with a much more serious attitude. I killed Pelican soon after that, but of course that bit got cut out of the video.

I want to make clear that I do not consider myself a better player than Pelican, however. I have dueled him 1v1 before (in Elven Gardens) and lost every time, although he was not playing a Sorc on that occasion. He seems like a decent guy and I have nothing bad to say about him. I'm not sure how he would feel about having his name dropped by forum try-hards who hate Sorcs... just something to think about.

I think it's kind of funny that some people think "I saw some other guy kill you blah blah blah" is relevant at all to a forum discussion about PvP. EVERYBODY gets killed in PvP, even great players. Finally, the fact that you feel like you need to resort to an "ad hominem" attack to prove your point indicates to me that your argument is weak and has no merit. Have a nice day.

Ayastigi · April 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......

Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!

NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.

I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.

You missed my point. Sorcs aren't more powerful than other classes. There are some situations where they shine, however, and others where they fail. If you're having trouble with them, it's because you're choosing to fight battles where the odds are not in your favor. For example, the best class for Cyrodiil tower farming is Stam Warden (see Fengrush on YouTube), because they are well suited for that environment. Nightblades are the best class by far for roaming the Imperial City because Cloak allows them to aggro and de-aggro mobs at will. Stamina builds usually outclass Magicka builds for the simple reason that they do more damage and use less resources (the forums love to ignore that fact for some reason.) Melee classes like Templars and DKs are well suited for duelling because the dueling area restricts mobile builds to stay in much closer range than usual. Pets are helpful in duels, of course, but many dueling tournaments ban them for this reason.

I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy who says your problem is a "L2P issue", but.... If you're having trouble with Sorcs in 2019, you really need to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish and how you are trying to get there.

I could say the same about you after watching pelican x you on his sorc. Looked like a l2p issue

LOL, what is up with this video all of a sudden, this is the second time I've seen it mentioned in a week? Do sorc haters have this little club or something where they talk trash and trade stories about sorcs they don't like? How childish! Anyway, I had no idea Pelican was fighting when I jumped in to that battle, I just saw some random action going on. However, this is a perfect example of learning to pick your battles wisely, which I failed to do. I have a bad habit of not checking name tags or even CP levels to gauge what I am getting into. As a result I got sloppy and died unexpectedly. Right after I got killed I respawned in the keep and came back out with a much more serious attitude. I killed Pelican soon after that, but of course that bit got cut out of the video.

I want to make clear that I do not consider myself a better player than Pelican, however. I have dueled him 1v1 before (in Elven Gardens) and lost every time, although he was not playing a Sorc on that occasion. He seems like a decent guy and I have nothing bad to say about him. I'm not sure how he would feel about having his name dropped by forum try-hards who hate Sorcs... just something to think about.

I think it's kind of funny that some people think "I saw some other guy kill you blah blah blah" is relevant at all to a forum discussion about PvP. EVERYBODY gets killed in PvP, even great players. Finally, the fact that you feel like you need to resort to an "ad hominem" attack to prove your point indicates to me that your argument is weak and has no merit. Have a nice day.

You mentioned l2p about dealing with sorcs. I mentioned that based on the clip of pelican x'ing you it looks like you could benefit from your own advice. I see nothing wrong.

Waffennacht · April 2019

WoppaBoem wrote: »

I ranked up a sorc this event and looking to play it in PVP. Worked out the basics in the EUSP calculator and the tools tips for the class skills are like 50% higher or more compared to other classes with the same gear I use this the calculator. This even while it is all delayed so you can make it work by timing it to go off at once.

The tools tips on sorcs are ridicoulus compared to other classes. Combine this with shield and the option to have many pets. Seems all really stange to me and unfair to the other classes. I for one will say nerf the sorc and not buff everything to sorc tools tips the time to kills would be to fast.

Can anyone tell why why they are so inflated?

Because there only single component abilities. Frag only does damage, curse only does damage, wrath only does damage

Whip also heals and etc
Swallow also heals etc
Sweeps also heals etc

All other abilities from classes have more than just a damage component, therefore have way more utility than sorc. - that's why sorc have higher damage + no sustained pressure at all

kylewwefan · April 2019

To say that any class is so OP and everyone else needs to get buffed to be brought up to their level, kind of makes it seem like you’re beating up on potatoes. At least in PvP.

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Stamdens also have a brutal little combo of Dawnbreaker Sub Assault and a couple spin to win. It’s a little more skillful because having to land that sub assault on moving target can be quite tricky.

Fighting a good templar...they’re gonna be in your face; hammering away; tanky af; bringing a lot of pressure; not an easy fight.

You having moderate success with Sorc to the point where other classes seem too easy to beat only seems like you’re not fighting good players. Maybe someone in PvE gear or players just learning their class.

Play some other classes. Figure them out. Then none of them seem like they’re really that much better than any other.

starkerealm · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Katlefiya wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?

Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.

Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.

Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.

I am actually so tired of the “sorc kills potatoes” argument, because it is so blatantly false, and is 100% pushed by sorcs who have not yet learned to play.

I’m in the process of uploading an amusing video in which myself and a stam warden completely dominated a BG — and I only realized at the end of it that I had the wrong freaking helm equipped (meaning my kill count would have been higher). I’d really like someone to explain to me why a stamden spamming shalks and S2W is considered to legitimately earn a kill, while a magsorc using a rotation of Curse, Reach, Frags, and Fury is “kill stealing.”

I mean, to be fair, sorcs do kill potatoes... and good players, and everyone else, indiscriminately. There is a skill threshold to become a god of lightning and angry hate-tells, but it's not that high.

Ayastigi · April 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

To say that any class is so OP and everyone else needs to get buffed to be brought up to their level, kind of makes it seem like you’re beating up on potatoes. At least in PvP.

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Stamdens also have a brutal little combo of Dawnbreaker Sub Assault and a couple spin to win. It’s a little more skillful because having to land that sub assault on moving target can be quite tricky.

Fighting a good templar...they’re gonna be in your face; hammering away; tanky af; bringing a lot of pressure; not an easy fight.

You having moderate success with Sorc to the point where other classes seem too easy to beat only seems like you’re not fighting good players. Maybe someone in PvE gear or players just learning their class.

Play some other classes. Figure them out. Then none of them seem like they’re really that much better than any other.

I mean yea that argument works for other people but you guys haven't read through this or my last post thouroughly. I'm a stam dk main and my next most played class is stam sorc. I'm an avid dueler as well. Killing the same players on my magsorc is so much faster and easier than on my stam dk or stam sorc. I've come to the realization the only way to say something about sorcs is to be the best of the best of the best or people will say the same tired arguments you did lol

Edit: somebody is either going to say "duels don't count because you can't balance for 1v1" or "sorcs are good at beating new players try that with good players" or maybe "you need to try other classes then come back and see that sorc really isn't that powerful..did I miss anything lol

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

It really is hillarious how many sorcs mains are in complete denial, any sorc main saying that sorc isnt strong in PvP Needs to L2P Pretty damn fast.

Aurielle · April 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Katlefiya wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?

Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.

Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.

Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.

I am actually so tired of the “sorc kills potatoes” argument, because it is so blatantly false, and is 100% pushed by sorcs who have not yet learned to play.

I’m in the process of uploading an amusing video in which myself and a stam warden completely dominated a BG — and I only realized at the end of it that I had the wrong freaking helm equipped (meaning my kill count would have been higher). I’d really like someone to explain to me why a stamden spamming shalks and S2W is considered to legitimately earn a kill, while a magsorc using a rotation of Curse, Reach, Frags, and Fury is “kill stealing.”

I mean, to be fair, sorcs do kill potatoes... and good players, and everyone else, indiscriminately. There is a skill threshold to become a god of lightning and angry hate-tells, but it's not that high.

That’s what I meant. I should have specified that I’m tired of the “sorcs CAN ONLY kill potatoes” argument.

Aurielle · April 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

Waffennacht · April 2019

@Ayastigi well Stam sorc has 0 identity really. But hurricane + spin2win cleans up better than wrath etc

Stam DK, I've heard bad things about Stam DK. But it's an entirely different.

I personally was comparing to Stam NB, Stam Warden, Magplar, and mag DK

Demra · April 2019

I like this thread. The toon i struggle the most to fight with in no cp are mag sorc and this thread makes my ego feel better. Ill need to try mag sorc to find out tho.

PapaWeeb · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

Because you can cast it before the enemy is in execute range, and almost always guarantee you get the kill even if another player does all the work.

Miswar · April 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.

Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?

It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.

The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.

Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!

Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.

No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled

Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...

Like I said you're being defensive and projecting hard lol

There is nothing defensive (or whatever you mean by it) by saying that you 150% certainly have real learn to play issues on the PvP. As said nothing personal but that shines out like a bright sun.

To be honest these forums have a lot of that type around both in PvP and PvE side of things so nothing to be shame of either in that respect.

Ayastigi · April 2019

Miswar wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Ayastigi wrote: »

Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.

Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?

It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.

The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.

Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!

Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.

No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled

Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...

Like I said you're being defensive and projecting hard lol

There is nothing defensive (or whatever you mean by it) by saying that you 150% certainly have real learn to play issues on the PvP. As said nothing personal but that shines out like a bright sun.

To be honest these forums have a lot of that type around both in PvP and PvE side of things so nothing to be shame of either in that respect.

Lol still projecting

Waffennacht · April 2019

But will the necromancer be the new sorc or the new Warden? (Mag versions)

Goregrinder · April 2019

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Just re-rolled a new Sorc earlier, will be leveling it to 50 asap so I can start running it in BG's.

oxygen_thief · April 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Just re-rolled a new Sorc earlier, will be leveling it to 50 asap so I can start running it in BG's.

you can lvlup in battlegrounds. abuse it harder make em nerf it

TequilaFire · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

People screamed like hell for Steel Tornado nerfs and got it, Jesus beam takes longer and has risks.
On my death recap I am so tired of seeing damage from another class like stamden which I would expect because I was fighting one only to see the final blow from a sorc being Mage's Wrath with no other damage from said sorc.
Almost every recap this is the case.

Rukia541 · April 2019

Ayastigi wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

Nerf Sorc? lawl

That meme is not gonna work here. Sorcs are performing better than any other class at the moment in pvp and the other classes need to be brought up to par. If you deny this it's because you know it's true and you don't want your spot at the top of the pile touched.

Bringing other classes up to par also known as power creep, there are better alternatives.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2019

bmnoble wrote: »

Any class can be good if you take the time to learn how to play them. I have seen plenty more crappy sorcs than good ones playing this game.

You mean a good player will make any class LOOK good but that doesn’t mean a class is actually good. There will be players that are the exception but like in any balance discussion the performance of the 1 percent shouldn’t be included.

karekiz · April 2019

NoThInG EvEr GeTs NeRfEd CaUsE oF PeE VeE PeE We SwEaR

PapaWeeb wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

Because you can cast it before the enemy is in execute range, and almost always guarantee you get the kill even if another player does all the work.

Fix:

Remove executes from the game. Or remove K/D screen at end of BG's. Or just remove BG's.

Aurielle · April 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

People screamed like hell for Steel Tornado nerfs and got it, Jesus beam takes longer and has risks.
On my death recap I am so tired of seeing damage from another class like stamden which I would expect because I was fighting one only to see the final blow from a sorc being Mage's Wrath with no other damage from said sorc.
Almost every recap this is the case.

You do realize that Death Recap only reflects a small period of time, right? I could be duking it out with you 1v1 on my mag sorc, only to have a stamden swoop in with a burst combo just as I throw in my finishing combo. That lone Wrath you see in your recap does not necessarily paint the full picture.

I’m really tired of being accused of “kill stealing” just because I happen to use my class execute when people are, gasp, in execute range.

Goregrinder · April 2019

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Just re-rolled a new Sorc earlier, will be leveling it to 50 asap so I can start running it in BG's.

you can lvlup in battlegrounds. abuse it harder make em nerf it

How viable is leveling in BG's starting from level 3?

oxygen_thief · April 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Just re-rolled a new Sorc earlier, will be leveling it to 50 asap so I can start running it in BG's.

you can lvlup in battlegrounds. abuse it harder make em nerf it

How viable is leveling in BG's starting from level 3?

you can start from 10 lvl.

TequilaFire · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Because I’ve seen WW just wearing someone out and Sorc runs by casts one mages wrath. Doesn’t even stop. Just keeps on running. Boom they stole the kill. Happens all the time. It’s cheesy af.

Why is an execute — something that almost every class has access to, magDK’s aside — “cheesy AF”? Because it’s ranged? Is Jesus Beam cheesy AF? Is Steel Tornado cheesy AF? Just curious.

People screamed like hell for Steel Tornado nerfs and got it, Jesus beam takes longer and has risks.
On my death recap I am so tired of seeing damage from another class like stamden which I would expect because I was fighting one only to see the final blow from a sorc being Mage's Wrath with no other damage from said sorc.
Almost every recap this is the case.

You do realize that Death Recap only reflects a small period of time, right? I could be duking it out with you 1v1 on my mag sorc, only to have a stamden swoop in with a burst combo just as I throw in my finishing combo. That lone Wrath you see in your recap does not necessarily paint the full picture.

I’m really tired of being accused of “kill stealing” just because I happen to use my class execute when people are, gasp, in execute range.

No duh, you only see the last skills used on you. That is my point exactly Wrath is always at the bottom of the list as the execute even though I was fighting some one else, some sorc safe in their zerg spams wrath and gets the final blow when someone else gets me into execute range.
I wouldn't mind the sorc using the execute on me if they were the actual one I was fighting.
It happens way more often than some other class jumping in.
Pet meat shields and wrath need adjustment.

Goregrinder · April 2019

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Just re-rolled a new Sorc earlier, will be leveling it to 50 asap so I can start running it in BG's.

you can lvlup in battlegrounds. abuse it harder make em nerf it

How viable is leveling in BG's starting from level 3?

you can start from 10 lvl.

Err sorry that's what I meant, level 10 haha...damn it's been like 3 or 4 years since I leveled a toon. But I figured Doleman's and AoE grinding would net me better XP per hour with XP pots.

Silverhand2156 · April 2019

Y'all know the rule right?

Everyone is always going to tell you how the class they play is the most underpowered,the faction they play is the weakest,and the game they play is the worst

Sanguinor2 · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

You do realize that Death Recap only reflects a small period of time, right? I could be duking it out with you 1v1 on my mag sorc, only to have a stamden swoop in with a burst combo just as I throw in my finishing combo. That lone Wrath you see in your recap does not necessarily paint the full picture.

I’m really tired of being accused of “kill stealing” just because I happen to use my class execute when people are, gasp, in execute range.

Well towards that whole execute/kill steal debate every execute can do that, wrath is just particulary effective because you can apply it before your target reaches the amount of Health needed to be in execute, but in bgs I can also killsteal rather well with Jesus beam since it ignores dodge and many stambuilds start dodgerolling when low Health.

Mr_Nobody · April 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.

That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.

have you played magplar solo pvp?

clearly not.

StaticWave · April 2019

With the Amplitude change, magsorcs are now among the damage powerhouses, only rivaled by magdks and heavy stamblades. They do rely on shields to survive because that's just how the class was designed to function. However, when combined with other self heals, such as power surge or matriarch, magsorcs can be a very formidable force. Their kit is forgiving to new players, with an offensive rotation revolving around timed bursts, yet when fully mastered, the class is really strong. Most magsorcs who die to other players either have not fully mastered their offensive and defensive rotations, or were just outplayed. With the right build, they have the best of everything - good sustain with dark conversion, harness magicka and lich, as well as high damage and defense by stacking max magicka for shields or matriarch burst heal. As a magsorc, your only real opponents are magdks, heavy blades, and maybe stamdks. The rest will not be much of a challenge.
I play solo PvP 90% of my time in cyrodiil. When I fight outnumbered and there's a magsorc, my ability to survive decreases dramatically. It's really that much of a difference!