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After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.
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frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not going to lie... this patch Bg’s Is nothing but pet sorcs nowadays. It’s cancer8 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »I guess they don't have MagDk's or StamDens on the server you play on, huh?
I agree with Stamdens most here. The fact there is no Z Axis in game and you can cast beetles directionally towards the front flag of an outpost or keep while dropping down and having them hit as the rest of your groups proxy blow is pretty OP, along with the rest of their kit.0 -
Katlefiya✭✭✭✭✭Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?
Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.
Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.3 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?
Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.
Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.
Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.Edited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 5:04PM4 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?
Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.
Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.
Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.
I am actually so tired of the “sorc kills potatoes” argument, because it is so blatantly false, and is 100% pushed by sorcs who have not yet learned to play.
I’m in the process of uploading an amusing video in which myself and a stam warden completely dominated a BG — and I only realized at the end of it that I had the wrong freaking helm equipped (meaning my kill count would have been higher). I’d really like someone to explain to me why a stamden spamming shalks and S2W is considered to legitimately earn a kill, while a magsorc using a rotation of Curse, Reach, Frags, and Fury is “kill stealing.”5 -
DKMaestro✭✭✭In before every sorc comes in with every reason why they are weak and actually need buffed.
I've posted screenshots of my sorc going 30-0 in battlegrounds, taking on 4 to 10 players in Cyrodiil, solo'ing vet dungeons...still get told how weak and underpowered they are.
I know you're trying to talk about buffing other classes to the sorc standard, but I'll be very surprised if the thread goes along those lines. Just not how this forum works...
Best of luck though.
Please share your build, as I am lucky if I get 8 kills. Stamsorc?
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?
Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.
Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.
Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.
I am actually so tired of the “sorc kills potatoes” argument, because it is so blatantly false, and is 100% pushed by sorcs who have not yet learned to play.
I’m in the process of uploading an amusing video in which myself and a stam warden completely dominated a BG — and I only realized at the end of it that I had the wrong freaking helm equipped (meaning my kill count would have been higher). I’d really like someone to explain to me why a stamden spamming shalks and S2W is considered to legitimately earn a kill, while a magsorc using a rotation of Curse, Reach, Frags, and Fury is “kill stealing.”
Dang, it uploaded quickly.
https://youtu.be/JnH0HPDgv9s
I’m very tired at the moment, and was literally half asleep throughout that match. I showed my build at the end, because people get triggered and doubt you when you claim you can do well on a magsorc and don’t post your build. Hilariously, I only realized at the end of the match that I’d forgotten to re-equip Skoria after trying to put together an outfit for my Necromancer...
So yeah, 12 kills, 0 deaths, and without my full monster set equipped. And this was a sloppy match for me, in which I let buffs drop and didn’t manage my magicka well.3 -
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✭I love how reactive the forums are. We went a long time without people reporting how " over performing" sorcs are and that "it's easy and simple play." So why has that changed?
Maybe....Just maybe, its a reaction to nighblades being nerfed. I knee jerk reaction with a mentality of " if I go down we all go down."
Can forums just for a second climb out of the lead paint? Offer suggestions and maybe some will be taken up. Otherwise, no matter how salty you are, you will need to adapt like sorcs and other classes.
I do really hope that all the magnbs get some love! Somehow, when shields were nerfed, stamnbs could care less that it gutted magnb in pvp. They need love for sure
@Ayastigi
Because you get high kills on a class doesnt mean its performing. On your last post, people pointed out you are probably in a super low mmr. In higher mmrs, it is rare for anyone to have more then 9. When I started on a low mmr my stamdk was hitting 20-30 kills. Same on stamplar. Are they op? No
If you stuck with that arguement, it would add more reason to nerf nb. Nb has huge burst and is able to slam down on new players. Thats why low mmrs are stacked with bowspammers. They do not last into competitive play though because experienced players stack and move together, use abilities that uncloak, snares and break the nb tool kit. Im curious on how to make them more competitive at high mmrs.
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Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭
✭Man I am clearly missing something here. I haven’t found a spot for two pets on both bars that’s effective.
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Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
So basically you have played Stam Dk and Mag-sorc and you call for an overall buff but mag-sorc.
I think you have to try all the classes to request such a buff.
I'm maining a mag sorc, and it is very true, Stam DKs have a hard time to kill me. They still can kill me, but only because I commit to the fights. Overwise I could easily flee from the fight.
I think that sorc is bis when you combine all 3 factors mobility+burst+tankines. But there are stronger burst+tankines builds out there than mag sorc.
Also when requesting for a buff always take into consideration group play. DKs are absolute beasts when grouped.
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Katlefiya✭✭✭✭✭
Dissenting opinions are off-topic now? Silly me, I should have known that.Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope.
You didn't. You called said class more powerful than every other class. Which - if true - would indicate that it is overpowered in relation to the other classes. Do you really want ZOS to buff every other class?Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.1 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Icy_Waffles wrote: »Man I am clearly missing something here. I haven’t found a spot for two pets on both bars that’s effective.
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »I love how reactive the forums are. We went a long time without people reporting how " over performing" sorcs are and that "it's easy and simple play." So why has that changed?
Maybe....Just maybe, its a reaction to nighblades being nerfed. I knee jerk reaction with a mentality of " if I go down we all go down."
Can forums just for a second climb out of the lead paint? Offer suggestions and maybe some will be taken up. Otherwise, no matter how salty you are, you will need to adapt like sorcs and other classes.
I do really hope that all the magnbs get some love! Somehow, when shields were nerfed, stamnbs could care less that it gutted magnb in pvp. They need love for sure
@Ayastigi
Because you get high kills on a class doesnt mean its performing. On your last post, people pointed out you are probably in a super low mmr. In higher mmrs, it is rare for anyone to have more then 9. When I started on a low mmr my stamdk was hitting 20-30 kills. Same on stamplar. Are they op? No
If you stuck with that arguement, it would add more reason to nerf nb. Nb has huge burst and is able to slam down on new players. Thats why low mmrs are stacked with bowspammers. They do not last into competitive play though because experienced players stack and move together, use abilities that uncloak, snares and break the nb tool kit. Im curious on how to make them more competitive at high mmrs.
everything you're saying is cool and all but on my last post I also said the build had the same effectiveness in cyrodiil and nobody batted an eye or acted like they didn't see that. No offense to you as I get you're gonna defend sorcs no matter what but low mmr isn't what makes sorcs strong. I'm not asking for sorcs to be brought down i'm asking for other classes to be brought u2 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭
Dissenting opinions are off-topic now? Silly me, I should have known that.Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope.
You didn't. You called said class more powerful than every other class. Which - if true - would indicate that it is overpowered in relation to the other classes. Do you really want ZOS to buff every other class?Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.
how is the previous thread turning into sorcs vs nightblades dissenting opinions. You're super defensive just like you were on the last thread which you incorrectly labeled a nerf thread
edit: to answer your last question..yes, I do want zos to buff every classEdited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 5:38PM1 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.
I think what you might be failing to recognize is that sorcs have a low skill ceiling. It’s easier to do well on them than it is on some other classes, but that doesn’t mean other classes can’t perform just as well — or better. This is why it is worth your while to better yourself at EVERY class, as you will be more equipped to identify what’s overperforming and what’s not. I agree that sorcs are strong, and not anywhere near as underpowered as some people on these forums insist they are. However, they are also not overpowered. Sorc is actually in a very good place at the moment, neither in dire need of buffs nor in dire need of nerfs.Edited by Aurielle on April 29, 2019 5:43PM2 -
Steelshiv✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
For me I feel the opposite. I main a magsorc in Vivec PvP and have played this toon for months. I also have a stamdk that I haven't played in years but just recently decided to bring into PvP for a change of pace.
Despite having not played dk for a very long time, not knowing the skills, and just randomly throwing myself into fights, I've found it much easier and more effective to play compared to magsorc.
Maybe it isn't related to class balance but what each person is good at playing? Because my kdr looks much better on Stamdk than magsorc.
Also, obligatory #nerfsorcs because why not
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.
I think what you might be failing to recognize is that sorcs have a low skill ceiling. It’s easier to do well on them than it is on some other classes, but that doesn’t mean other classes can’t perform just as well — or better. This is why it is worth your while to better yourself at EVERY class, as you will be more equipped to identify what’s overperforming and what’s not. I agree that sorcs are strong, and not anywhere near as underpowered as some people on these forums insist they are. However, they are also not overpowered. Sorc is actually in a very good place at the moment, neither in dire need of buffs nor in dire need of nerfs.
That actually might be a big part of it. The most surprising experience of the whole sorc experience has been how easy it has been to play the class against high level players. I agree sorc is in a good place.1 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This thread needs to lighten up and look at some Richard Pryor.
Mr Pryor wants you to know that this isnt CoD, Overwatch, LoL, etc. Kill stealling doesnt matter as long as you win.
Edited by StormeReigns on April 29, 2019 6:09PM3 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.
You missed my point. Sorcs aren't more powerful than other classes. There are some situations where they shine, however, and others where they fail. If you're having trouble with them, it's because you're choosing to fight battles where the odds are not in your favor. For example, the best class for Cyrodiil tower farming is Stam Warden (see Fengrush on YouTube), because they are well suited for that environment. Nightblades are the best class by far for roaming the Imperial City because Cloak allows them to aggro and de-aggro mobs at will. Stamina builds usually outclass Magicka builds for the simple reason that they do more damage and use less resources (the forums love to ignore that fact for some reason.) Melee classes like Templars and DKs are well suited for duelling because the dueling area restricts mobile builds to stay in much closer range than usual. Pets are helpful in duels, of course, but many dueling tournaments ban them for this reason.
I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy who says your problem is a "L2P issue", but.... If you're having trouble with Sorcs in 2019, you really need to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish and how you are trying to get there.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »The forums: NO CP in Battlegrounds!!! NEVER EVER EVER! CP make everyone too TANKYYYYYYYYYY......
Also the forums: Sorcs kill me in Battlegrounds with Curse-Frag-Fury combo... MUST NERF NERF NERF!!!!!
NEWSFLASH: The game is balanced around CP, including class abilities. Take CP away, and of course certain builds are going to be adversely affected in some situations and advantaged in others. The same Sorc that Curse-Frag-Furied you from a mile away is going to crumple like paper when he gets Subbed and Dawnbreakered.
I'm not even trying to antagonize you but what's your point with this comment? If it is that sorc isn't powerful in a non-cp environment i disagree. And I think you're missing my point which is asking other classes be brought up to sorcs level.
You missed my point. Sorcs aren't more powerful than other classes. There are some situations where they shine, however, and others where they fail. If you're having trouble with them, it's because you're choosing to fight battles where the odds are not in your favor. For example, the best class for Cyrodiil tower farming is Stam Warden (see Fengrush on YouTube), because they are well suited for that environment. Nightblades are the best class by far for roaming the Imperial City because Cloak allows them to aggro and de-aggro mobs at will. Stamina builds usually outclass Magicka builds for the simple reason that they do more damage and use less resources (the forums love to ignore that fact for some reason.) Melee classes like Templars and DKs are well suited for duelling because the dueling area restricts mobile builds to stay in much closer range than usual. Pets are helpful in duels, of course, but many dueling tournaments ban them for this reason.
I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy who says your problem is a "L2P issue", but.... If you're having trouble with Sorcs in 2019, you really need to go back to the drawing board and re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish and how you are trying to get there.
I could say the same about you after watching pelican x you on his sorc. Looked like an l2p issueEdited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 5:58PM3 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
For me I feel the opposite. I main a magsorc in Vivec PvP and have played this toon for months. I also have a stamdk that I haven't played in years but just recently decided to bring into PvP for a change of pace.
Despite having not played dk for a very long time, not knowing the skills, and just randomly throwing myself into fights, I've found it much easier and more effective to play compared to magsorc.
Maybe it isn't related to class balance but what each person is good at playing? Because my kdr looks much better on Stamdk than magsorc.
Also, obligatory #nerfsorcs because why not
This is legit a thing too. I not too long ago decided to accept that I’m better at ranged and semi-melee mag than I am at melee stam. I’m much better at kiting and avoiding damage than I am at turtling up, taking the brunt of the damage, and identifying burst windows. I struggled with my brawler blade for the LONGEST time, before I gave up and acknowledged that trying to target other players with SA spam wasn’t going to work when I had such a hard time staying on target with other melee players who could run circles around me. All of my characters are mag now.
The best advice I can give to anyone is learn your strengths, and play to them. Give another playstyle a try to see if you can work with it and become better at it, but also accept when it’s not working for you and try something else. Also, never, ever copy-paste YouTube builds. Experiment. Theory craft. Don’t follow the “meta” just because some popular streamer (who may or may not have a secret build that they don’t share) tells you that X set combo is “BIS.”
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✭✭Sorc #1 offense is stealing kills with their mages wrath. It makes them a bit cheesy, but not so much overpowered. You beating up on a bunch of potatoes isn’t gonna convince me that Sorc is so strong everything else needs a buff to keep up.
Try fighting a Stamplar that knows what they’re doing or a freaking mag DK or warden. Let’s not even get into WW.
Sorc is easy to figure out kind of and start getting ok with. If you fight someone that knows their class, whatever that may be; the easy good/ok is not gonna be enough.0 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »Sorc #1 offense is stealing kills with their mages wrath. It makes them a bit cheesy, but not so much overpowered. You beating up on a bunch of potatoes isn’t gonna convince me that Sorc is so strong everything else needs a buff to keep up.
Try fighting a Stamplar that knows what they’re doing or a freaking mag DK or warden. Let’s not even get into WW.
Sorc is easy to figure out kind of and start getting ok with. If you fight someone that knows their class, whatever that may be; the easy good/ok is not gonna be enough.
can we please stop with the whole "sorcs are only good at killing potatoes" argument lol it's a broken record at this point7 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »Sorc #1 offense is stealing kills with their mages wrath. It makes them a bit cheesy, but not so much overpowered. You beating up on a bunch of potatoes isn’t gonna convince me that Sorc is so strong everything else needs a buff to keep up.
Try fighting a Stamplar that knows what they’re doing or a freaking mag DK or warden. Let’s not even get into WW.
Sorc is easy to figure out kind of and start getting ok with. If you fight someone that knows their class, whatever that may be; the easy good/ok is not gonna be enough.
I’m going to ask what I asked earlier: why is it that stamdens, who are notorious for spin-to-win spam in BGs, are not accused of “kill stealing,” while sorcs who use wrath/fury as part of their rotation are? And again with the potato comment... you know that anyone can kill potatoes, right? Sorcs can and do kill skilled players all the time — I know this from considerable personal experience.4
