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After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »In before every sorc comes in with every reason why they are weak and actually need buffed.
I've posted screenshots of my sorc going 30-0 in battlegrounds, taking on 4 to 10 players in Cyrodiil, solo'ing vet dungeons...still get told how weak and underpowered they are.
I know you're trying to talk about buffing other classes to the sorc standard, but I'll be very surprised if the thread goes along those lines. Just not how this forum works...
Best of luck though.
Is it a pet sorc? Is your charcter new in bgs? If you get 30-0 in bgs you either play against pve players or newbies or stealing kills. Top killers(non kill steals) are stam dks and stamdens in BGs. Non pet sorc builds usually are easy to kill in and pvp, because of low healing power without twilight or clanfeer espacially with the upcomong nerf to resto ulti. In regards to pve, can use solo dlc dungeons as well? I find it very hard, because certain bosses require interupts from other players or hit so hard they kill tanks without blocking. I can solo bon dlc vet dungeons on my templar without any problem. With I started playing BGs on my mag DK, I used to have 20+kills and 0-2 deaths. Now, I cansider my self lucky to finish a death match with 10 kills and 2-4 deaths. It's also the same with my mag sorcs until I slot mages wrath, then I can atchieve 15+kill easily espacially if I have a heavy dot build like dks or templar.
Played sorc since beta and never used pets.
Sorry OP. I'm telling you, talking about sorcs on this forum is a no win.
I fully understand you're not even talking about sorcs really, but buffing other classes.
Tried to tell you, you'll get no constructive feed back here. Noble attempt, good reasoning behind the thought....but no ones going to do anything but tell you how bad sorcs are. Doubt you'll even get discussion on any other class and what could be buffed on them. Learned long ago, saying anything positive about sorcs will get you flamed...by other sorcs no less...
Anyway, best of luck. I'm going to bow out of this conversation before it gets any more ridiculous.
This has been my experience too, @Kel . The moment you say you’re able to do well on sorc, you’re told that you MUST be playing against potatoes, or that you’re just “kill stealing”. Which is pure BS, at least in my case. When built and played properly, a magsorc is a power house. The only time I ever struggle on my non-pet magsorc is against very well-organized pre-mades, or when grossly outnumbered. I’ve watched videos posted by people who claim sorcs are underpowered after the shield nerfs and I notice two things: they all spend a lot of time heavy attacking, and they don’t weave while trying to burst people down. 100% L2P issues on their part.
Edited by Aurielle on April 29, 2019 1:29PM4 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?
Open world and BGs... 1v1 it’s strong against anything besides wing spammers atm.
You basically get gibed by the constant ground aoe in BGs. And In open world you are forced to play HEAVY cloak because the heals are bad, let alone the TTK is incredibly long because of the bow proc.
The great mnbs can still X. Mediocre or still learning... might as well play sorc.0 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭My questions to everybody in this thread are.. 1. Do you think sorcs perform well in a zerg? 2. Do you think sorcs perform well in solo pvp? Also, I haven't seen a lot of mag nbs since the healing ward nerf that came with murkmire0
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Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?
They’re not “bad”, but they do struggle in BGs. Can’t contribute as well to the team as other classes on damage dealing specs because they’re squishy AF when not spamming cloak, and leaving their teammates to die when they ARE spamming cloak. My magNB is a healer until something is done to make magNB more effective. The nerf to wings might make them viable in BGs again.
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✭My questions to everybody in this thread are.. 1. Do you think sorcs perform well in a zerg? 2. Do you think sorcs perform well in solo pvp? Also, I haven't seen a lot of mag nbs since the healing ward nerf that came with murkmire
i dont play in cyro and i dont do duels but in battlegrounds i usually feel myself like a resto ult bot. people are too tanky to die of my burst and can easily avoid it while iam too squishy to survive a focus without leaving my group.Edited by oxygen_thief on April 29, 2019 2:00PM0 -
KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?
They’re not “bad”, but they do struggle in BGs. Can’t contribute as well to the team as other classes on damage dealing specs because they’re squishy AF when not spamming cloak, and leaving their teammates to die when they ARE spamming cloak. My magNB is a healer until something is done to make magNB more effective. The nerf to wings might make them viable in BGs again.
Ah ok, I do not BG so I don't have a good idea how they are performing there besides the forum. I do know that running a bomb/ball group in Cyro(ours is between 6-12) our MagNB's are our main damage dealers so in my experience I don't see their weaknesses as often as other people do.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I see the pros and cons of each class.
But it's usually a DK or a Stamden that get the most kills in the BGs I've been apart of. Templars, ironically, have the most damage dealt.
I personally wouldn't say sorc, or any class, is really all that far ahead or behind (except magden or mag NB, they're a bit behind)0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?
They’re not “bad”, but they do struggle in BGs. Can’t contribute as well to the team as other classes on damage dealing specs because they’re squishy AF when not spamming cloak, and leaving their teammates to die when they ARE spamming cloak. My magNB is a healer until something is done to make magNB more effective. The nerf to wings might make them viable in BGs again.
Ah ok, I do not BG so I don't have a good idea how they are performing there besides the forum. I do know that running a bomb/ball group in Cyro(ours is between 6-12) our MagNB's are our main damage dealers so in my experience I don't see their weaknesses as often as other people do.
Yeah, you won’t notice it so much in a ball group. Since BGs are small scale and no-CP, having more than one cloak spamming NB on your team means that you’re usually losing, unless said NB is a heavy armour brawlblade or a healer. I groan when I see more than one NB on the team, and often end up quitting after it becomes apparent that they’re just there to gank on occasion and sit in stealth the rest of the time. NBs are a huge liability in mid-upper tier MMR BGs, and generally only do well in low MMR BGs. Some gankers can pull it off without hurting their team too much, but most just end up screwing their team over.2 -
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✭✭I feel the same way. The class is so simple, yet its skills are so strong."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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KappaKid83✭✭✭✭✭KappaKid83 wrote: »KappaKid83 wrote: »Sorcs who complain about how “weak” sorcs are and how they “need” to surround themselves with a zoo to survive are bad sorcs who need more practice. Simple.
That being said, I wouldn’t say that sorcs are leaps and bounds ahead of any other class. They’re easy to play, but any skilled player can excel on any class in PVP. The only class that is truly in a bad spot PVP wise at the moment is magNB. That may change with Elsweyr.
MagNB in 1vx are bad or as a whole?
They’re not “bad”, but they do struggle in BGs. Can’t contribute as well to the team as other classes on damage dealing specs because they’re squishy AF when not spamming cloak, and leaving their teammates to die when they ARE spamming cloak. My magNB is a healer until something is done to make magNB more effective. The nerf to wings might make them viable in BGs again.
Ah ok, I do not BG so I don't have a good idea how they are performing there besides the forum. I do know that running a bomb/ball group in Cyro(ours is between 6-12) our MagNB's are our main damage dealers so in my experience I don't see their weaknesses as often as other people do.
Yeah, you won’t notice it so much in a ball group. Since BGs are small scale and no-CP, having more than one cloak spamming NB on your team means that you’re usually losing, unless said NB is a heavy armour brawlblade or a healer. I groan when I see more than one NB on the team, and often end up quitting after it becomes apparent that they’re just there to gank on occasion and sit in stealth the rest of the time. NBs are a huge liability in mid-upper tier MMR BGs, and generally only do well in low MMR BGs. Some gankers can pull it off without hurting their team too much, but most just end up screwing their team over.
Awesome! Thanks for the insight, I literally had no clue how they were performing as I think I have done 3 BGs in my life and they were all a few weeks ago on an off night from Cyro Raid team. I stunk on my sorc but I wasn't running Shackle/Armor and no pets so I was a liability to say the least.0 -
VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭Sorcs a dead class, youve prolly killed some newb thats why it feels op. Sorc needs some serious buffs to be viable against other classes.7 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Sorcs a dead class, youve prolly killed some newb thats why it feels op. Sorc needs some serious buffs to be viable against other classes.
This is sarcasm right? Sorc is the most used class in pvp at the moment. Not only in cyrodiil, go outside the undaunted enclaves and see which class is most represented in duelsEdited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 2:44PM5 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭I ranked up a sorc this event and looking to play it in PVP. Worked out the basics in the EUSP calculator and the tools tips for the class skills are like 50% higher or more compared to other classes with the same gear I use this the calculator. This even while it is all delayed so you can make it work by timing it to go off at once.
The tools tips on sorcs are ridicoulus compared to other classes. Combine this with shield and the option to have many pets. Seems all really stange to me and unfair to the other classes. I for one will say nerf the sorc and not buff everything to sorc tools tips the time to kills would be to fast.
Can anyone tell why why they are so inflated?
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I die more on sorc in pvp than almost any other class. Stop demanding nerfs which are uncalled for and un needed. Just fix pets so they dont block the sorc from being attacked.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel the same way. The class is so simple, yet its skills are so strong.
Agreed. The ceiling on a matriarch/SB backbar mag sorc is very low. An evenly skilled player shouldn’t be able to kill you 1v1 unless you mess up pretty badly. They’re super tanky and can still dish out a lot of damage. Single pet sorcs can soak up an insane amount of damage.3 -
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✭I feel the same way. The class is so simple, yet its skills are so strong.
Yep. We were literally just talking about this in a discord group. They are very simple, tanky toons that can deal a lot of damage at range. They're also immensely mobile.1 -
SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭Idk, my interest for the class has gone downhill, maybe it's from playing it for so many years as my main, however, if I want to be a sorcerer healer I'm looking at next to nothing in my toolkit that is unique from the DPS counterparts besides maybe... Absorption field (costly), Minor Prophecy (what dark magic ability would a healer use besides ult?) and Empower Ward (Minor Intellect, yet pets don't get damage in PvE really so by bother).
When I rolled DPS, I could solo any world boss and most vet dungeons.
I got bored of that though.
The class as a bit of redundancies and is inconsistent over different content.
I get know ZoS doesn't want to split PVE and PVP for skills, but they got to adjust the mess they've been making.
Necromancer will be my Sorc 2.0.
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✭Sorcs are just easy to play. A good DK can still demolish a good MagSorc though.1 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!Edited by Miswar on April 29, 2019 3:42PM1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you put 100 brand new players on various classes, sorcs will seem like they are the strongest. If you put 100 experienced players on all the classes, sorc will sink near the bottom. There is no secret that sorcs are the easiest class to play effectively, but most powerful? Not by a longshot. They have very straight forward offensive and defensive rotations, and they are ranged, so it's easy to pick off unsuspecting players, but that is about where their advantage ends.8 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!
Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.4 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you put 100 brand new players on various classes, sorcs will seem like they are the strongest. If you put 100 experienced players on all the classes, sorc will sink near the bottom. There is no secret that sorcs are the easiest class to play effectively, but most powerful? Not by a longshot. They have very straight forward offensive and defensive rotations, and they are ranged, so it's easy to pick off unsuspecting players, but that is about where their advantage ends.
Just not true. In high level dueling tourneys sorcs usually finish 1 or 2 in recent months. In solo pvp sorcs are best equipped. I like sorcs and don't want them changed I want other classes brought up to par. Sorc's mobility is one thing other classes could benefit from. Streak makes major expedition unnecessary in a lot of scenarios and with race against times upcoming changes it'll be even better. Right now even without the snare change to race against time there is no better kiting combo then race against time and streak, it' makes re positioning a breeze. Every time somebody brings up how powerful sorcs are you all say that they are only good at potato smashing. That's a false narrative that y'all use to deter and derail the conversation.Edited by Ayastigi on April 29, 2019 4:06PM3 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!
Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.
No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled
Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...0 -
Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Can we buff other classes to where they are competitive with mag sorcs? If you duel in stormhaven or grahtwood you know what i'm talking about. Everybody is a sorc. In vivec most players are sorcs. I've been playing the class a lot recently and I see why. Nothing else compares to it's mobility, burst, or defense. It's a represenation of a class that has everything it needs in it's kit to play high level pvp. Using mag sorc as a model can we bring the other classes up to par. I've gone back to my stam dk and while I have comparable tankiness the shortcomings are glaring now that i've played the other class for a while.
Have you considered that you most likely have serious "learn to play" issues with other classes?
It is common virus that has spread around these boards especially.
The symptons of this virus is when you notice that you are nerfing everything around you instead of looking at the mirror where the problem lies.
Hope these tips helped to cure you. Enjoy the summer sun!
Lol nobody said anything about nerfs, i've never made a post about nerfs. Think you're mad that somebody is talking about how well equipped your class is and you're just getting defensive.
No! Definately not.. just forgot to add one sympton and that self denial! I think we have a bingo here since all the symptons are fullfilled
Now have a nice 1 and remember to go out and enjoy the sun...
Like I said you're being defensive and projecting hard lol6 -
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✭✭✭✭Don't worry with upcoming resto ult nerf the day of magsorc reckoning is nigh.1
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