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Seems to me like current direction is removing base classes from competitive play in order to sell new classes with everything they have taken away from base classes.
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✭✭✭✭✭Did I stumble through a Psijic time rift back to 2017's Warden class, or is this just deja vu?10 -
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JadeCoin✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Did I stumble through a Psijic time rift back to 2017's Warden class, or is this just deja vu?
I've heard the Necromancer class has the power to raise Deltia's Templar.11 -
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✭I completely agree with this post warden keeping major fracture and minor berserk I heard necromancer op I bet has em to0 -
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✭Anyways I will unsubscribe if they butcherer my class I will not support a game that will do this to me and I won’t be buying anything else either 🙂1 -
Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Did I stumble through a Psijic time rift back to 2017's Warden class, or is this just deja vu?
I've heard the Necromancer class has the power to raise Deltia's Templar.
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You mean the huge percentage of play the warden has seen in competitive groups when it released? (0.1% btw)Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »
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Completely agreeJabbs_Giggity wrote: »Seems to me like current direction is removing base classes from competitive play in order to sell new classes with everything they have taken away from base classes.
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✭✭Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »
What history? Wardens were just whatever out of the gate what are you talking about.
Pve trial heads are getting elsweyr regardless, casual overland questing players and RPers are getting elsweyr regardless. Brand new players interesting in coming to eso arent going to give 2 *** if a new class is potentially overtuned.
The only group that your *** theory could even apply to is the pvp crowd who would otherwise have no interest in elsweyr content outside of a steong new class but at that point you are really pushing it. Nothing about warden in pvp was so grossly imbalanced that became disruptive to said environment. And if you are actively and regualry playing eso there is a good chance you are going to pick up the chapter anyways. The actual amount of money on the line for the "im going ti wait and see if necro is overpowered before I decide to purchase the chapter" demographic is god damn chump change man.
Zos is far from perfect but if there is any naive armchair theory for this genre is when people think developers intentional while being descrete, overtune a new class to sell more boxes.... lol. Think about the actual margins they are looking at for even considering such an approach, jesus christ.
Tin foil hat indeed.Edited by exeeter702 on April 25, 2019 2:50PM2 -
Jabbs_Giggity✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »
What history? Wardens were just whatever out of the gate what are you talking about.
Pve trial heads are getting elsweyr regardless, casual overland questing players and RPers are getting elsweyr regardless. Brand new players interesting in coming to eso arent going to give 2 *** if a new class is potentially overtuned.
The only group that your *** theory could even apply to is the pvp crowd who would otherwise have no interest in elsweyr content outside of a steong new class but at that point you are really pushing it. Nothing about warden in pvp was so grossly imbalanced that became disruptive to said environment. And if you are actively and regualry playing eso there is a good chance you are going to pick up the chapter anyways. The actual amount of money on the line for the "im going ti wait and see if necro is overpowered before I decide to purchase the chapter" demographic is god damn chump change man.
Zos is far from perfect but if there is any naive armchair theory for this genre is when people think developers intentional while being descrete, overtune a new class to sell more boxes.... lol. Think about the actual margins they are looking at for even considering such an approach, jesus christ.
Tin foil hat indeed.
Wow. So volatile. Did not know that this would grind your gears so badly! In any case, yes this is mainly biased towards PVP - which is my right to be opinionated toward. You seem like one of those...ugh what's the words...Elitest PVE'ers? Yes, about right. IF, strong if...you were a regular PVP'er and actively followed how strong Warden has and still is a top tier Class for PVP - don't want to get your panties in a bundle by not exclaiming PVP directly...than you obviously have no idea what a class like this with it's current tool-kit will do to Cyrodiil.
History has shown us that with introduction of the Warden class, Templar class was removed of BiS for healing class and watered down in tool-kit, via nerfs in order to saturate the Warden for sales. Now, looking at PTS notes not only is the Templar STILL a low tier class, other than mediocre at best healer, ZOS has nerfed NB in to the ground (RIP Magblade) to saturate the insane damage + healing potential that Necro will bring.
Some "theories" to backup how PVP will go after Necro launch.
1. Groups of Necro's running high damage builds and utilizing an Ult that gives instant 30K health - as if the Tanky/DPS Meta hasn't been an issue already...
2. Groups running a Necro to isntantly rez 3 players with use of one Ult. Multiple by two Necro healers = 6 players instant up with no respawn timer (as you would have at a Camp).
3. Zerg/Ball groups. Imagine running a 4-10man ball group. Two Warden Permafrost/S2W builds because plebs will be plebs and not pickup/grind Elsweyr + 4-6 Necro's running the SAME builds because you know...Blastbones = better Sub Assault + an Ult introducing Major Vulnerability and high damage....ugh now factor in the 2-3 dedicated Necro healers slotting Rez Ult.
Please tell me how you do not view that as broken...meanwhile, as stated above - Intended Healing/Damage class nerfed in to gound. #RIPlar. And now high damage burst class nerfed substantially #RIPmBlade (Stamblade will have hard time but adjust).
But hey, what do I know. I'm just a pleb. OP wasn't about "You shouldn't get Elsweyr because it's just dumb" it was intended as opinion that ZOS nerfs base classes to profit gain OP new classes. If it didn't have a class it would be a DLC, not a Chapter.
I honeslty haven't played anything new from ESO from Morrowing+ because PVE is lackluster and boring. But sure you get your goodies off fighting NPC's and "Decking" out your houses
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✭✭Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »
What history? Wardens were just whatever out of the gate what are you talking about.
Pve trial heads are getting elsweyr regardless, casual overland questing players and RPers are getting elsweyr regardless. Brand new players interesting in coming to eso arent going to give 2 *** if a new class is potentially overtuned.
The only group that your *** theory could even apply to is the pvp crowd who would otherwise have no interest in elsweyr content outside of a steong new class but at that point you are really pushing it. Nothing about warden in pvp was so grossly imbalanced that became disruptive to said environment. And if you are actively and regualry playing eso there is a good chance you are going to pick up the chapter anyways. The actual amount of money on the line for the "im going ti wait and see if necro is overpowered before I decide to purchase the chapter" demographic is god damn chump change man.
Zos is far from perfect but if there is any naive armchair theory for this genre is when people think developers intentional while being descrete, overtune a new class to sell more boxes.... lol. Think about the actual margins they are looking at for even considering such an approach, jesus christ.
Tin foil hat indeed.
Wow. So volatile. Did not know that this would grind your gears so badly! In any case, yes this is mainly biased towards PVP - which is my right to be opinionated toward. You seem like one of those...ugh what's the words...Elitest PVE'ers? Yes, about right. IF, strong if...you were a regular PVP'er and actively followed how strong Warden has and still is a top tier Class for PVP - don't want to get your panties in a bundle by not exclaiming PVP directly...than you obviously have no idea what a class like this with it's current tool-kit will do to Cyrodiil.
History has shown us that with introduction of the Warden class, Templar class was removed of BiS for healing class and watered down in tool-kit, via nerfs in order to saturate the Warden for sales. Now, looking at PTS notes not only is the Templar STILL a low tier class, other than mediocre at best healer, ZOS has nerfed NB in to the ground (RIP Magblade) to saturate the insane damage + healing potential that Necro will bring.
Some "theories" to backup how PVP will go after Necro launch.
1. Groups of Necro's running high damage builds and utilizing an Ult that gives instant 30K health - as if the Tanky/DPS Meta hasn't been an issue already...
2. Groups running a Necro to isntantly rez 3 players with use of one Ult. Multiple by two Necro healers = 6 players instant up with no respawn timer (as you would have at a Camp).
3. Zerg/Ball groups. Imagine running a 4-10man ball group. Two Warden Permafrost/S2W builds because plebs will be plebs and not pickup/grind Elsweyr + 4-6 Necro's running the SAME builds because you know...Blastbones = better Sub Assault + an Ult introducing Major Vulnerability and high damage....ugh now factor in the 2-3 dedicated Necro healers slotting Rez Ult.
Please tell me how you do not view that as broken...meanwhile, as stated above - Intended Healing/Damage class nerfed in to gound. #RIPlar. And now high damage burst class nerfed substantially #RIPmBlade (Stamblade will have hard time but adjust).
But hey, what do I know. I'm just a pleb. OP wasn't about "You shouldn't get Elsweyr because it's just dumb" it was intended as opinion that ZOS nerfs base classes to profit gain OP new classes. If it didn't have a class it would be a DLC, not a Chapter.
I honeslty haven't played anything new from ESO from Morrowing+ because PVE is lackluster and boring. But sure you get your goodies off fighting NPC's and "Decking" out your houses
You dont know what you are talking about, its really that simple. You are framing your entire argument around ball groups in cyrodil as some kind of sticking point to which ZOS would bank on selling more copies of elsweyr? All you are doing is crafting trashy ball group comp scenarios into a vacuum. Aside from the fact that cyrodil pvp is casual by very definition and the fact that its large scale means any number of nonsense scenarios come from it. At risk of even humoring your awful examples.......
1. Bone colossus ult is in the 250 ultimate cost club. Yes its strong. You can make that argument for any number of expensive ults used in coordination, EOTS, Negates, hell even shifting standard ffs. Point is goliath catagorizes you as a player, so you are just as susceptible to CC, 20 seconds isnt that long and its incredibly telegraphed. If a pure damage oriented necro build is leaning on goliath as some kind of enabler, they are going to have substantial downtime. There are far more compelling options for necros that want to kill targets quickly since goliath offers nothing but a *** load of health.
2. Res ult necro armies bringing back people with a 3rd of their resources mid fight instead of running ultimates that stop them from dying in the first place? There is a case to be made for that 3 player res. But pretending cyrodil is going to be full of necros saving their ults for when people are already dead means they arent dropping ults for coordinated group wipes, or dropping ults to save players from death. And since its 200 ult, you are going to be sitting on that moment to rez since a necros healers only alternative is barrier (which for the same cost can effect many more players) or lights champion which is much cheaper.
3. This entire point was embarrassing to even read. And no blast bones is not a better sub assault so long as it remains telegraphed and vulnerable to crowd control. Yes it packs a punch atm.
But frankly none of this matters. No game developer is perfect and if zos releases the necro with a hand full of overtuned abilities is still wouldnt prove anything other than minor ineptitude from their part. Definitely not that they are trying to sell more copies of elswyer.
Edited by exeeter702 on April 25, 2019 7:37PM1 -
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✭Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »Seems to me like current direction is removing base classes from competitive play in order to sell new classes with everything they have taken away from base classes.
$eriously?
₩hat gave this away?
Go bu¥ mor€ crown$.
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✭✭Meanwhile actual endgame player have tested necro, and while stam is performing well, mag is the worst of all dds.
Actual end game player, not people who make up hypothesis (hypothesis not theories there's a difference) hypothesis that many times have proven themselves false.
Blast bones is not better than sub assault for one, it does roughly the same damage unless under major vuln, which lasts for a laughably short time, in which you could line up some burst, but yea... It's also affected by crowd control and you can dodge it i'm pretty sure, you cannot dodge sub assault, you can only hope it doesn't hit, there's a difference, you can block both (next patch).
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✭✭Meanwhile actual endgame player have tested necro, and while stam is performing well, mag is the worst of all dds.
Actual end game player, not people who make up hypothesis (hypothesis not theories there's a difference) hypothesis that many times have proven themselves false.
Blast bones is not better than sub assault for one, it does roughly the same damage unless under major vuln, which lasts for a laughably short time, in which you could line up some burst, but yea... It's also affected by crowd control and you can dodge it i'm pretty sure, you cannot dodge sub assault, you can only hope it doesn't hit, there's a difference, you can block both (next patch).
The op wasnt interested in facts or a logical discussion.1
