Possible change to class skills?...

EpicRekkoning · April 2019

There's always a lot of chatter about magicka and stam skills for all classes. The change below is from update 5 and I wonder if this could be a possible changes for all CLASS skills. It would open up class freedom to develop different builds (hybrids?) and give class identity without having to worry about how to make stam or magicka skills make sense for each class.

Change to the streak morph:
"Streak (morph): This ability will now scale with your highest offensive stats..."

My thought is to have all damage class skills, and only class skills, scale off of the highest offensive stat. Magicka (fire, lightning, ice, etc.) and stamina (poison, bleed, disease, etc.) type skills would still be affected by the same CP, but the damage scaling would give options to builds such as a stam sorc with lightning attacks, or a stam warden with frost damage abilities.

Any thoughts on this? I'm on the fence to whether this would work and I'm curious what others think.

Jabbs_Giggity · April 2019

Interesting, but doubt ZOS would do it.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2019

I actually really like this it gives player a choice you simply don’t have right now. Not sure how this would work with resource pools but that would be awesome.

Deathlord92 · April 2019

I want the option to morph my Breton racial passives to stam 🙏

ShadowKyuubi · April 2019

It would be nice for this to happen, but it won't. ZoS likes to make the distinction between magicka and stamina via the elemental/magical damage vs the physical/poison/disease damage split. They have worked very hard on this distinction, so much so, that the stamsorc is almost locked out of a class line entirely. They get no damage from any of the abilities, only one ability will scale with their stamina, and it is a passive ability and never actually get used besides slotting it, and none of the passives work for them unless they give up an ulti slot.

zvavi · April 2019

ShadowKyuubi wrote: »

and none of the passives work for them unless they give up an ulti slot.

??????

ability cost reduction. 11% stronger light attacks(ability passive). 10% stam regen. more weapon damage for each sorc ability slotted <----what about these things? are they not passives?

ShadowKyuubi · April 2019

I am talking about a very specific skilline. Look at the Daedric Summoning Skill line and tell me how many passives stamsorcs get besides powerstone. Yes, I get the Bound armaments bonus and buffs if I slot my atro, but I have to give up three of my skills slots for it. Even then, I don't get all the passives from that line unless I want to throw clanfear on my bar and give up two more slots.

zvavi · April 2019

clannfear.... is a big no. never use it on a stamsorc. it scales of sd and max mag. i do agree that the lack of passives is underwhelming, but the passives that are there, are pretty good.

ShadowKyuubi · April 2019

Kind of my point, almost an entire skill line just sucks for stamsorcs. Storm calling is the most useful, even the Dark Magic skill line sucks for stamsorcs. People ask why stamsorc want an identity, because we don't have access to half the things magsorcs do. They can use everything freely.

Tannus15 · April 2019

ShadowKyuubi wrote: »

Kind of my point, almost an entire skill line just sucks for stamsorcs. Storm calling is the most useful, even the Dark Magic skill line sucks for stamsorcs. People ask why stamsorc want an identity, because we don't have access to half the things magsorcs do. They can use everything freely.

bound aegis / armaments should give "while a pet is summoned" passives while slotted
crystal blast should be changed to stam version of crystal frags
haunting curse should scale off max stat / damage

oh, and air atro should replace aoe blast atro

LordTareq · April 2019

Will be a nightmare as suddenly you'll have stamina characters being able to use class magicka heals to their full extent, or stamina characters with amazing damage shields. Even though it doesn't look that way, there is some sort of balance in ESO which would be completely messed up if this was ever implemented.

ShadowKyuubi · April 2019

I mean sure, stamsorc specifically will have access to a big shield. But it isn't like we can just spam it out. Maybe one or two good uses, then no more magicka

EpicRekkoning · April 2019

LordTareq wrote: »

Will be a nightmare as suddenly you'll have stamina characters being able to use class magicka heals to their full extent, or stamina characters with amazing damage shields. Even though it doesn't look that way, there is some sort of balance in ESO which would be completely messed up if this was ever implemented.

I agree and that's why I stated it should only be for damage based skills. I think there are some class skills that should be magicka, like the ones you mentioned above.

As far as the balance comments, there's really not a balance in class skills. I've posted this multiple times, but if you look at the stam to magicka skills for classes (not including Necros), there's 18 stamina based class skills to 199 magicka based class skills. That doesn't seem balanced to me. And even if you want to look at all skills in the game, including weapon skills (since there's more stam weapons than magicka), there's 130 stamina skills to 280 magicka skills.

Don't get me wrong, the game has a decent balance to it, but as someone who enjoys playing stam characters over magicka, I struggle with the lack of diversity in stamina builds.