stamina DK appreciation thread (pre Elsweyr pts)

Wing · April 2019

I put pre patch because I cannot fathom ZOS and their balance it could be OP soon (HA, right)

but I consider Stamina dragonknight to probably be one of the weakest contenders this current meta.

lemme stop you there, I hear you furiously typing as we speak.

its not trash, and wings is keeping it afloat true. but even if something like stam sorc is crammed into a narrow build path and stamplar was trash for like years (doing pretty good now though) stam DK is bottom of the totem pole, that's not terrible, something WILL always be at the bottom, just how it is, it just happens to be stam DK atm

fast comparison
-stam NB, no explanation, top tier though falls off in group play
-stam warden, also amazing, better still in small man and group play
-stam sorc, narrow build path and lacks options but still not bad, great pressure
-stamplar, trash for years but recent buffs put it high up in the list.

im not really comparing to magicka because for the most part they just play very different, but magicka these days seem very tank for the most part, warden, templar, sorc, DK, they just wont die if they don't want to 1v1 and are great in group play because of the nature of magicka in general.

shout out to the magicka NB's though, bottom tier and only good for bombing and cloak spam, hard countered by anything that eats ranged attacks, even all the versatility and tools of a magicka NB just aren't enough to kill people, and laughed out of group play. respect.

my personal love of stam DK, and fighting the few good ones still around. is that it has no tricks.

no real burst (ults don't count get outa here, everyone has db)
no execute
no range
no real speed (chains are dumb)
only recovery is ult based and was nerfed heavily over the years
no cloak spam
no real heals
no defile
no spamable

the list goes on

this makes them earnest, they have to walk or run up to you, and beat you down the old fashioned way, no lol one shot, no execute out of stealth before you could react, no timing of a bunch of stacking burst skills. just walk up to you and fight.

I have gotten into fights with other stam DK's (that feels rare as heck, I actually take note when I see them now) where I know they cannot kill me and I cannot kill them, so I do the classic *block and hop in place with a shield* that is the international pvp language of "stop" or "fight" in pvp duels.

most of the time they stop, knowing the faults of the class as well and knowing they cannot win, and we bow, or wave, or whatever, and go our separate ways.

its two battle hardened adversaries that just nod and go the other way after years of being beaten into the ground in brutal combat.

so I salute my fellow hard core stam DK's out there.
rocking out and fighting no matter how much ZOS beats us down, making it work despite all the shiny better new options.
so go ahead, roll your OP of the month, jump me out of stealth, line up and time all that burst. ill still be here, and be ready to walk up to you and beat you down the old fashioned way.

mcagatayg · April 2019

what is this "stamDK" you are speaking of?

Wing · April 2019

mcagatayg wrote: »

what is this "stamDK" you are speaking of?

it was a gen 1 starter pokemon, but man that gen 5 power creep, it just cannot keep up.

wheem_ESO · April 2019

No execute? 3 out of 4 Stamina-based weapon skill lines have an execute ability attached to them...including one that's AOE and undodgeable.

Flame_of_Hades · April 2019

Hold up hold up hold up, what?

Okay, so, Im going to stick to the list at the end of your post...

no real burst (ults don't count get outa here, everyone has db)

Everyone may have DB, but only stam dk has corrosive. Every ability turns into a burst ability with corrosive active.

no execute

By virtue of being a stamina class, you always have an execute due to weapon lines, just not a CLASS execute.

no range

Fair enough, unless you use a bow, but that is a bit weak compared to what you could be using.

no real speed (chains are dumb)

Also fair, but wings + stamina class = more mobility that most mag classes.

only recovery is ult based and was nerfed heavily over the years

Wat? only recovery skill(ish) yes, but stam dk is VERY easy to sustain due to (see heals)

no cloak spam

...................... Templar, NB, Sorc, and Warden can't spam wings(the same wings..), your point?

no real heals

WHAT???????? major mending on frag shield. Stam dk is VERY easy to sustain because major mending will keep you alive through all but the highest damage... (corrosive, burst from multiple players)
Out of stats? doesn't matter. You can do nothing at all with major mending + vigor up and wait for your stats to come back.

no defile

No class defile? give me the sorc or templar class defile. It is a STAMINA class, use reverb.

no spamable

.......... class spammable. very important wording. because you are a STAMINA class, you have access to spammables such as, ransack, heroic slash... You also have access to things such as Dizzy Swing, and the stam DK failed(ish) spammable venom claw.

TL:DR

In my opinion Stam dk is one of the easiest classes to play, only topped by heavy armor stamblade. An argument could be made for stamden being easier, but I see them as two sides of the same coin. Stamden is horrible in a 1v1 fight, while stam dk is horrible in group play (besides being able to tank for the group). stamden is good in group play, while stamDK is good in 1v1. stamden has more healing than stam dk, but stam dk has more damage and is more passively tanky.

In the end, while stam dk isn't at the very top, they are FAR from the bottom of the stamina totem pole. That would be StamSorc. (after the templar buffs).

Wing · April 2019

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

In the end, while stam dk isn't at the very top, they are FAR from the bottom of the stamina totem pole. That would be StamSorc. (after the templar buffs).

I didn't want to really discuss classes to much, or go through everything, as I do disagree with a bit obviously.

but I don't think stam sorc is worse, its boring if you don't like it, as stam sorc is defined by only like 5 class skills. there not bad, there is just no variety in play or really options to change it up.

their one of the best bleeders in the game, so maybe last patch was a bit of a nerf. but hurricane, crit surge, dark deal, streak, etc. keeps them very fluid and mobile.

I would almost call it a more dot playstyle then DK, as DK has a hard time pulling it off in pvp, where as stam sorc has great passive healing and pressure.

but yeah if you don't like how they play, you cannot really do anything to fix that, maybe we see changes in the weapon lines come pts that help, or maybe a few stam morphs.

but stam sorc still has its niche of great mobility and consistent play and has great constant pressure the most cannot fight against in a 1v1 scenario.

also kind of related, stam sorc hurricane hides mechanical acuity proc (as its the same effect) so yeah, that's a thing, just thought it was cool.

Flame_of_Hades · April 2019

fair points, but in a stamDK v stam sorc comparison, Stam dk wins 1v1 (corrosive), and outside of certain negate builds stam dk is more useful in a group play scenario due to their ability to take hits. Stam sorc has more a.o.e, but they also rely on mobility for survival, meaning they can't be a front line pusher for your group. It is the same reason stamblade isn't great for group play, they can't take a hit without mobility/cloak.

I played a stam sorc and did well on it, but again, in my opinion, stam dk outshines it by far.

Theignson · April 2019

My first character and still my main, was a Nord Stam DK. About a year ago people were sniggering when I tanked vet trials with him-- but with recent change to Ulti gen he is strong in PvE.

In PvP it is my favorite character that Im most comfortable with:

Advantages:
1) reflective plate (argh)
2) Fossilize. Strongest cc in the game
3) Burning heart passive = 12% increase healing received
4) Battle Roar == massive sustain boost
5) Mountains blessing = minor brutlaity
6) Helping hands = more stam regen
7) Corrosive armor ulti: brief god mode
8) igneous/frag shield: major mending. you cast this then vigor for huge heals
9) world in ruin = 25% decrease cost ofstam based poison abilites (eg venomous claw, noxious breath)
10) elder dragon: increased HR but also extends melee range to 7m from 5m. This makes all melee non class abilites, better on a DK!

With above you can have a fun , brawling build that can even do some dmg.

fred4 · April 2019

Here are two PvPers who play very different stam DKs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1iCwW3vPHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYXDRDQkTtU

juhislihis19 · April 2019

Great buffs and debuffs are hidden in terrible skills (Major Endurance - GDB, Major Fracture - Breath, Mending - Shield, Expedition - Chain).

So in order to get more sustain, healing, damage and movement, we need to slot

a) Terrible heal with horrendous cost
b) Terrible DOT
c) Terrible shield (and costly)
d) Good gap closer, which doesn't do any damage and grants you movement speed, whut? Why? Why would you use a gap closer and THEN get Expedition?!

And this really riddles me, a NECROmancer has 5 stamina morphs but a dragonKNIGHT has only 2. Why?

I personally don't need class execute, mending, defile, gap closer, range or even spammable. They can be fixed using variety of weapon skills. Especially if they tweak Wrecking Blow into an instant.

I just want useful stamina morphs with possible minor buffs/debuffs and useful passives. We get NOTHING from slotting skills. I want to slot stamina based skills which in return would give either recovery or damage or anything!

Also every class has some kind of ulti gen passive from using skills. We get it from using costly magicka skills. IMO DK's should regenerate little more ultimate as our sustain is dependable on it.

juhislihis19 · April 2019

Theignson wrote: »

My first character and still my main, was a Nord Stam DK. About a year ago people were sniggering when I tanked vet trials with him-- but with recent change to Ulti gen he is strong in PvE.

In PvP it is my favorite character that Im most comfortable with:

Advantages:
1) reflective plate (argh) This getting nerfed/changed. Thoughts?
2) Fossilize. Strongest cc in the game I agree!
3) Burning heart passive = 12% increase healing received This is great!
4) Battle Roar == massive sustain boost Very unique passive
5) Mountains blessing = minor brutlaity Very unique passive 2
6) Helping hands = more stam regen Stamina regen by using costly magicka. This isn't that good IMO
7) Corrosive armor ulti: brief god mode This is a fun ultimate
8) igneous/frag shield: major mending. you cast this then vigor for huge heals Again, a skill which is useless and is only slotted for the buff. IMO the skill itself should have some use to it
9) world in ruin = 25% decrease cost ofstam based poison abilites (eg venomous claw, noxious breath)I think they added this passive when we cried loud enough. However, even before this passive, those 2 stamina skills were low costly
10) elder dragon: increased HR but also extends melee range to 7m from 5m. This makes all melee non class abilites, better on a DK! The HP recovery is useless but the melee range is nice

With above you can have a fun , brawling build that can even do some dmg.

I have fun with my main Nord StamDK (same as yours buddy!) but I recently leveled a stamden and the damage is just unreal. Sub Assault, DB/Dizzy, Execute combo is so fun.

Problem with stamDK is that, the playing style is just applying DOTs after DOTs and wait until the opponent dies of old age. Against Templar purging it's very difficult because there really isn't no burst! Dizzy is hard to land and Leap is often not enough. And it's very buggy to land still!

Koensol · April 2019

Wing wrote: »

I put pre patch because I cannot fathom ZOS and their balance it could be OP soon (HA, right)

but I consider Stamina dragonknight to probably be one of the weakest contenders this current meta.

lemme stop you there, I hear you furiously typing as we speak.

its not trash, and wings is keeping it afloat true. but even if something like stam sorc is crammed into a narrow build path and stamplar was trash for like years (doing pretty good now though) stam DK is bottom of the totem pole, that's not terrible, something WILL always be at the bottom, just how it is, it just happens to be stam DK atm

fast comparison
-stam NB, no explanation, top tier though falls off in group play
-stam warden, also amazing, better still in small man and group play
-stam sorc, narrow build path and lacks options but still not bad, great pressure
-stamplar, trash for years but recent buffs put it high up in the list.

I was willing to give you a chance after your 2nd paragraph, even though it is a silly statement. Then I read the bolded and there is so much wrong in there I just couldn't continue.

Stamsorc and stamplar are both trash tier for the most part. Stamsorc great pressure? From what? Hurricane? Or you mean all the bleeds spam that most people turn to when looking at the terrible class skills. I'm sure it is the latter which is just a sad thing in and of itself.

Stamplar actually got nerfed from their previous state. No more minor vitality, with healing already being at a very bad level. No more full uptime on minor protection from rune. The couple seconds minor protection while casting aedric spear abilities is just fluff and a joke. Jabs has become even more trash since the major evasion changes. Literally the only thing stamplar got was the sustain buff on rune. Other than that nothing changed. Open world the class is still trash since it lacks healing and a reliable way to deal with range spam.

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Stam DK is bottom of the pile?

xDDDD

Alucardo · April 2019

Wing wrote: »

no real burst (ults don't count get outa here, everyone has db)

DKs have always relied on sustained pressure.

Wing wrote: »

no execute

Steel tornado, Executioner.. you have the weapon trees at your disposal like every other stam character

Wing wrote: »

no range

Stam DKs actually have extended melee ability range by 1 meter compared to every other class. If you want more range, use a god damn bow.

Wing wrote: »

no real speed (chains are dumb)

They were never designed for mobility. They have heal buffs out the wazoo, extra mitigation and the ability to reflect projectiles.

Wing wrote: »

only recovery is ult based and was nerfed heavily over the years

They get stamina back by casting earthern heart abilities, and when you poison an enemy. I've found stam DKs to have some of the best sustain in the game.

Wing wrote: »

no cloak spam

Not even going to reply to this.

Wing wrote: »

no real heals

Major Mending at will (Fragmented shield), and an extra 12% just for having a draconic skill active (Volatile/Hardened armor) not enough for you? There's also the heal when you use an ult.

Wing wrote: »

no defile

Reverb. It's great, use it.

Wing wrote: »

no spamable

Doesn't need one.

Wing wrote: »

the list goes on

Please do.

TheRedRavenTR · April 2019

What? Stamdk is incredibly easy to sustain, heals are only second to stamden, incredibly tanky, best class in game after stamnightblade imo. No defile? Reverb, No spammable? You dont spam skills on stamDK, you do 1-2 heroics in your rotation of dots and reverb,no heals? Jeez have you ever seen an actual stamdk? You could have 10% hp with 40% defile on you and still outheal if you got 16-17kish vigor tooltip. And DK has 2 meters more range than other stam classes, thats actually an incredible good passive. Battleroar + helping hands + 500 stam every 5 seconds just makes it easy af to sustain. 30-35k stam 800 recovery, some reduce cost gylphs and heavy atacks, boom you have unlimited stamina.Dont even get me started on damage, use 2 damage sets, bloodspawn,infused trait with damage gylph on 2h bar so you do alot of damage while applying dots, and even use 3x reduce cost on jewlery for infinite stam. and you somehow have some incredible damage with great sustain,survivability,heals and tankyness.This is all coming from a stamDK main, but dont nerf the class before stamblade gets nerfed to the ground please, or just nerf the op parts and buff other classes.

Ocelot9x · April 2019

Lol it’s true that dk is really good at pugstomping, looks at these forum warriors.
I consider stamsorc and stamdk the most boring classes to play (and I main a stamdk), but the problem is mainly with how clunky and outdated is two handed and bad stamina morphs. Also even tho stamsorc is as bad as dk he can still provide amazing utility with negate and great mobility.
Strong dots? Noxious breath damage is like 200 per second, the skill is only used for breach, something other classes gets on good abilities (surprise attack and sub assault) and poisonous claw is bad too ( vampires bane and insects are better). I have high hopes for elsewyr, but mainly because the class is at his worse so it can only being better.
Also, does someone really said that stamplar is bad? Jesus, try being objective guys, if you can’t play a class it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Take a look at purge vs igneous shield: 25% healing worse that purging a dot hitting 1k for second, so imagine the benefit of purging 3 dots.

TrinityBreaker · April 2019

Help hands gives you 990 stam at the cost of <insert earthen heart skill here> and those skills are by no means cheap to cast. As for the 500 every 5 seconds, its give you that assuming you can proc the poison status effect. Which btw doesn't proc very much. Pretty sure major mending mending(25℅ increased healing) is negated by major defile(30℅ decreased healing). Saying that stam dk can outheal with 40℅ defile is a lie. Battle roar has its uses but has been nerfed to ***. Also stam dk doesn't want to spam f u c k i n g weapon skills. That s h i t is boring. Stam dk is carried by 3 sets, bloodspawn/7th legion/fury. Without that sets stam dk is f u c k i n g garbage. Please stop spreading incorrect information.

Alucardo · April 2019

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Lol it’s true that dk is really good at pugstomping, looks at these forum warriors.
I consider stamsorc and stamdk the most boring classes to play (and I main a stamdk), but the problem is mainly with how clunky and outdated is two handed and bad stamina morphs. Also even tho stamsorc is as bad as dk he can still provide amazing utility with negate and great mobility.
Strong dots? Noxious breath damage is like 200 per second, the skill is only used for breach, something other classes gets on good abilities (surprise attack and sub assault) and poisonous claw is bad too ( vampires bane and insects are better). I have high hopes for elsewyr, but mainly because the class is at his worse so it can only being better.
Also, does someone really said that stamplar is bad? Jesus, try being objective guys, if you can’t play a class it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Take a look at purge vs igneous shield: 25% healing worse that purging a dot hitting 1k for second, so imagine the benefit of purging 3 dots.

I'm going to assume you know absolutely nothing about stam dk if you think noxious breath gives major breach, venomous claw is called "poisonous claw" and you think it's bad.
For an AOE ability that applies major fracture to everything hit, the DoT on it isn't too bad considering, and can further help proc any sets that rely on damage. The only thing sucky about this skill is its extremely unreliable hitbox.
And venomous claw is one of the strongest DoTs in the game. Not to mention basically a free cast

Ocelot9x · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Lol it’s true that dk is really good at pugstomping, looks at these forum warriors.
I consider stamsorc and stamdk the most boring classes to play (and I main a stamdk), but the problem is mainly with how clunky and outdated is two handed and bad stamina morphs. Also even tho stamsorc is as bad as dk he can still provide amazing utility with negate and great mobility.
Strong dots? Noxious breath damage is like 200 per second, the skill is only used for breach, something other classes gets on good abilities (surprise attack and sub assault) and poisonous claw is bad too ( vampires bane and insects are better). I have high hopes for elsewyr, but mainly because the class is at his worse so it can only being better.
Also, does someone really said that stamplar is bad? Jesus, try being objective guys, if you can’t play a class it doesn’t mean it’s bad. Take a look at purge vs igneous shield: 25% healing worse that purging a dot hitting 1k for second, so imagine the benefit of purging 3 dots.

I'm going to assume you know absolutely nothing about stam dk if you think noxious breath gives major breach, venomous claw is called "poisonous claw" and you think it's bad.
For an AOE ability that applies major fracture to everything hit, the DoT on it isn't too bad considering, and can further help proc any sets that rely on damage. The only thing sucky about this skill is its extremely unreliable hitbox.
And venomous claw is one of the strongest DoTs in the game. Not to mention basically a free cast

I did the wrong translation on venomous and I did a refuse with breach/ fracture i was writing while cooking. Also I know nothing about dk? Lulz I got almost 3k hours playing 90% of my time in cyro so please. The dot isn’t too bad? You’re joking right? The ability is worth slotting only for cloaks spammers and fracture, the only purpose of the dot is proccing another “op” 300 dmg dot which at least gives stamina back (nice passive tbh). Claw hits for less than insects from warden , it’s melee and it will do nice damage only after some seconds. If someone can’t heal 1,5k dot damage you probably could have killed him spamming light attacks.
Also, dk is totally useless and outweighed by any other class when smallscaling.
But you must squeeze your class playing outnumbered to understand his limits, bullying cp320 with master axes doesn’t mean everything is fine

Chelo · April 2019

fred4 wrote: »

Here are two PvPers who play very different stam DKs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1iCwW3vPHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYXDRDQkTtU

Im noticing something, DKs that doesnt rely on wings are going to be Monsters next patch, but DKs who are wing spamers, are going to be the new glass cannons in PvP...

CatchMeTrolling · April 2019

Is the xp event still going ? I was suppose to finish leveling mine so I can finally play Stamdk and cheese people.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2019

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Is the xp event still going ? I was suppose to finish leveling mine so I can finally play Stamdk and cheese people.

It's going for quite a few more weeks.

Kadoin · April 2019

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Help hands gives you 990 stam at the cost of <insert earthen heart skill here> and those skills are by no means cheap to cast. As for the 500 every 5 seconds, its give you that assuming you can proc the poison status effect. Which btw doesn't proc very much. Pretty sure major mending mending(25℅ increased healing) is negated by major defile(30℅ decreased healing). Saying that stam dk can outheal with 40℅ defile is a lie. Battle roar has its uses but has been nerfed to ***. Also stam dk doesn't want to spam f u c k i n g weapon skills. That s h i t is boring. Stam dk is carried by 3 sets, bloodspawn/7th legion/fury. Without that sets stam dk is f u c k i n g garbage. Please stop spreading incorrect information.

Not a true statement. I'd say its carried by CP more than any other class, but whatever you and anyone else here says to get a super buff.

If you want to follow a meta blindly, then do it. But don't make statements that aren't exactly true because you refuse to do anything else or build for yourself and habits.

Trancestor · April 2019

Slap on the meta fury + 7th + BS (2h s&B) and then say stamdk is bad...people saying stamdk is bad are playing stamdk wrong like using 2h + bow and being in medium, that really is bad.

juhislihis19 · April 2019

Trancestor wrote: »

Slap on the meta fury + 7th + BS (2h s&B) and then say stamdk is bad...people saying stamdk is bad are playing stamdk wrong like using 2h + bow and being in medium, that really is bad.

So you admit that StamDK is bad unless they play the meta and are forced to use Heavy Armor?

The idea that StamDK can't play in medium armor, is fundamentally wrong.

One can play stamblade in heavy with success. Same goes stamden in medium.

If stamdk is really bad in medium and 2h+bow, then there's something wrong with the class definitely.

Trancestor · April 2019

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Slap on the meta fury + 7th + BS (2h s&B) and then say stamdk is bad...people saying stamdk is bad are playing stamdk wrong like using 2h + bow and being in medium, that really is bad.

So you admit that StamDK is bad unless they play the meta and are forced to use Heavy Armor?

The idea that StamDK can't play in medium armor, is fundamentally wrong.

One can play stamblade in heavy with success. Same goes stamden in medium.

If stamdk is really bad in medium and 2h+bow, then there's something wrong with the class definitely.

Well it depends who you ask, according to ZOS DK's are supposed to be the tanky bois so it only makes sense that Heavy armor is the more viable option.

Davadin · April 2019

After maining Nord StamDK since 2014 BETA and it has been my main, and will continue to be my main...

I'm sorry, I think I'm folding when U22 comes around. He'll be a MagDK.

Davadin · April 2019

Trancestor wrote: »

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Trancestor wrote: »

Slap on the meta fury + 7th + BS (2h s&B) and then say stamdk is bad...people saying stamdk is bad are playing stamdk wrong like using 2h + bow and being in medium, that really is bad.

So you admit that StamDK is bad unless they play the meta and are forced to use Heavy Armor?

The idea that StamDK can't play in medium armor, is fundamentally wrong.

One can play stamblade in heavy with success. Same goes stamden in medium.

If stamdk is really bad in medium and 2h+bow, then there's something wrong with the class definitely.

Well it depends who you ask, according to ZOS DK's are supposed to be the tanky bois so it only makes sense that Heavy armor is the more viable option.

i'm honestly ok if we perform better with heavy armor (which naturally less DPS than med), but my problem is shoehorning to 1H/S and DoT simply because the CLASS skills support for stamina build is simply non-existent....

Dunning_Kruger · April 2019

Koensol wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

I put pre patch because I cannot fathom ZOS and their balance it could be OP soon (HA, right)

but I consider Stamina dragonknight to probably be one of the weakest contenders this current meta.

lemme stop you there, I hear you furiously typing as we speak.

its not trash, and wings is keeping it afloat true. but even if something like stam sorc is crammed into a narrow build path and stamplar was trash for like years (doing pretty good now though) stam DK is bottom of the totem pole, that's not terrible, something WILL always be at the bottom, just how it is, it just happens to be stam DK atm

fast comparison
-stam NB, no explanation, top tier though falls off in group play
-stam warden, also amazing, better still in small man and group play
-stam sorc, narrow build path and lacks options but still not bad, great pressure
-stamplar, trash for years but recent buffs put it high up in the list.

I was willing to give you a chance after your 2nd paragraph, even though it is a silly statement. Then I read the bolded and there is so much wrong in there I just couldn't continue.

Stamsorc and stamplar are both trash tier for the most part. Stamsorc great pressure? From what? Hurricane? Or you mean all the bleeds spam that most people turn to when looking at the terrible class skills. I'm sure it is the latter which is just a sad thing in and of itself.

Stamplar actually got nerfed from their previous state. No more minor vitality, with healing already being at a very bad level. No more full uptime on minor protection from rune. The couple seconds minor protection while casting aedric spear abilities is just fluff and a joke. Jabs has become even more trash since the major evasion changes. Literally the only thing stamplar got was the sustain buff on rune. Other than that nothing changed. Open world the class is still trash since it lacks healing and a reliable way to deal with range spam.

This man stamplars