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What is the intent for the PVP portion of the 5 year event?
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Numerikuu✭✭✭✭✭
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While there certainly are toxic people on the PvE side of things, txt on a screen is nothing to literally denying entry to quest locations, along with trying to extort people for ingame currency with the false promise that they can quest in peace. That is a whole 'nother level of toxicity.2 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You do not have to go to Cyro. Understand this, please.
If you do, expect to be farmed repeatedly because you are easy to kill. But you could increase your chances by;
being in a group
Use invisible pots.
Survey the area before running in
Pick a server that is dominated by your faction.
It is pvp and your pve gear does not work well in cyro. Adapt, figure out how to overcome the challenge. It's not predictable pve where everything has a rotation and mechanics.
Humans are unpredictable and not so easy to figure out. Sounds like a challenge worth taking on to me. Or take the easy way out, claim victim status and complain hoping the devs accommodate you.
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midgetfromtheshire✭✭✭✭You do not have to go to Cyro. Understand this, please.
If you do, expect to be farmed repeatedly because you are easy to kill. But you could increase your chances by;
being in a group
Use invisible pots.
Survey the area before running in
Pick a server that is dominated by your faction.
It is pvp and your pve gear does not work well in cyro. Adapt, figure out how to overcome the challenge. It's not predictable pve where everything has a rotation and mechanics.
Humans are unpredictable and not so easy to figure out. Sounds like a challenge worth taking on to me. Or take the easy way out, claim victim status and complain hoping the devs accommodate you.
This. ZOS has even provided a catch up mechanic in the last week of the event if you are hellbent on collecting the style pages.Get rid of faction locks.0 -
D0RID0RI240✭✭✭✭MAKE SURE TO SPAY AN NEUTER YOU SORC PETS, CITIZEN, OR YOU WILL RUN AFOUL OF...THE LAAAAAAAAAW!3 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've had to face gankers at Cheydinal since last night. I have to agree that Zenimax has poorly planned this week's event for getting reward boxes. If it was easier for them to acquire those boxes without facing an enemy Alliance Zenimax should have divided the zone better. Otherwise it should have been better stated to just wait until the last week to catch up on what's missed. Weaker players are suffering in non-flag towns because they want a prize that Zenimax is giving out.
You chosed the wrong place to farm boxes.
while in towns like Bruma, Valastarus and Cropsford you get your alliance protection (pvpers who want to fight to get the town and keep it for the AP defence ticket).
In the other towns (Cheyndinal and Chorrol) there is the ganker paradise since pvpers groups generally stay away from them, i believe that a large portion of the pvp playerbase don't know that those two towns even exist.
BTW if you happen to come in Chorrol, Shor, PC Eu the nasty magblade killing everyone in the morning, is me.
See you there XD.Signature0 -
Ydrisselle✭✭✭✭✭You do not have to go to Cyro. Understand this, please.
If you do, expect to be farmed repeatedly because you are easy to kill. But you could increase your chances by;
being in a group
Use invisible pots.
Survey the area before running in
Pick a server that is dominated by your faction.
It is pvp and your pve gear does not work well in cyro. Adapt, figure out how to overcome the challenge. It's not predictable pve where everything has a rotation and mechanics.
Humans are unpredictable and not so easy to figure out. Sounds like a challenge worth taking on to me. Or take the easy way out, claim victim status and complain hoping the devs accommodate you.
How will these help if I want to go in a house to the questgiver NPCs while there are 4-6 players inside with siege equipment? During the loading screen I will be killed without even knowing for sure why did that happen. That's not PvP. That's the same as calling yourself a boxing champion after you have beaten every child in the kindergarten.
(disclaimer: I avoid Cyrodiil this week since I play for fun and this is not fun at all)
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✭OP you can rewatch VODs and clip video then send those clips to ZOS let them decide if their behavior warrants any action. Other than that you’re probably not gonna get any attention since this thread on the surface seems like another complaint thread which ZOS generally doesn’t respond too.
Also Im fairly certain that steamer has been suspended in the past but that may have been from Twitch not from ZOS.Edited by Fur_like_snow on April 22, 2019 4:18PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The intent is to focus on all the different types of dailies during the 5 week event. Not every type of daily will be a fit for every type of player.
This structure gives a week for people who prefer crafting, a week for people who prefer solo content, a week for people who prefer group content, a week for people who prefer pvp, and a week for everyone.
I’m pretty fed up with people complaining that one week out of 5 is outside of their comfort zone.Edited by Reverb on April 22, 2019 5:17PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche5 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You do not have to go to Cyro. Understand this, please.
If you do, expect to be farmed repeatedly because you are easy to kill. But you could increase your chances by;
being in a group
Use invisible pots.
Survey the area before running in
Pick a server that is dominated by your faction.
It is pvp and your pve gear does not work well in cyro. Adapt, figure out how to overcome the challenge. It's not predictable pve where everything has a rotation and mechanics.
Humans are unpredictable and not so easy to figure out. Sounds like a challenge worth taking on to me. Or take the easy way out, claim victim status and complain hoping the devs accommodate you.
I would recommend reading the thread to extract the relevant points if you wish to add something to the conversation outside of the generic issue of PvE vs PvP specs and play, about which I contest nothing.2 -
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✭To the OP: you’re not gonna get a response from ZOS here, so all you’re doing with this post is providing yet another place for people to express the same opinions they’ve provided on the 20 earlier posts about this event.
As a long-time player who’s done most of this game’s content, PvP and PvE, I’d suggest to any Cyrodiil newbie that has gotten curious about PvP to join one of the many PvP guilds that take inexperienced PvPers. Each alliance has them, and there’s always members that will help with build and play advice. Don’t let the griefers discourage you. Every aspect of this game has its share of toxic players (except housing, apparently), and you shouldn’t let them keep you away if you really want to try it out.0 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To the OP: you’re not gonna get a response from ZOS here, so all you’re doing with this post is providing yet another place for people to express the same opinions they’ve provided on the 20 earlier posts about this event.
As a long-time player who’s done most of this game’s content, PvP and PvE, I’d suggest to any Cyrodiil newbie that has gotten curious about PvP to join one of the many PvP guilds that take inexperienced PvPers. Each alliance has them, and there’s always members that will help with build and play advice. Don’t let the griefers discourage you. Every aspect of this game has its share of toxic players (except housing, apparently), and you shouldn’t let them keep you away if you really want to try it out.
There is some toxic housing out there, trust me. But you really have to look for it.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭D0RID0RI240 wrote: »MAKE SURE TO SPAY AN NEUTER YOU SORC PETS, CITIZEN, OR YOU WILL RUN AFOUL OF...THE LAAAAAAAAAW!
YOURE A CREDIT TO THE FORCEFur_like_snow wrote: »OP you can rewatch VODs and clip video then send those clips to ZOS let them decide if their behavior warrants any action. Other than that you’re probably not gonna get any attention since this thread on the surface seems like another complaint thread which ZOS generally doesn’t respond too.
Also Im fairly certain that steamer has been suspended in the past but that may have been from Twitch not from ZOS.
Yeah that was from twitch after I made fun of another streamer then sent all my viewers there to support them. Apparently that combo was viewed as hostile and I got a three week twitch suspension.
I’ve never been suspended or even warned in-game. My RP is directly modeled after the guards, who also ask for gold. However, the toxic replies I sometimes receive don’t seem to be modeled after anything in game. Weird.
For what it’s worth, tonight I’ll be doing a very different character. A cringey “white knight.” Should be fun, m’lady.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/thogardpvp5 -
JackAshes✭✭✭Really don’t understand why more PVEers have not gone into IC completed the Intro quest about 7 that unlock all the daily’s (6 in total). You get to see some of the most esteticaly appealing content created for the game pick up skyshards as you move around the districts. Once you have completed the intro quest you can come back and quickly do all 6 in like 45 min tops per day.
You will encounter other PVPers sure but you can zone back into the district in seconds if you die and not deal with the horse simulator. There are 2 intro quest you may not be able to solo (Temple and Arena) but just a shout in zone will get people to come and help from your faction.
But I guess raging on the forums for hours on end is more enjoyable.... go figure.3 -
Krec✭✭✭Well I have experienced the behind the door attack and just moved on. Also had an organized group come in and root a few groups out of the buildings.
Overall, the fights for towns have been really good, not so for the campaign. Peeps seem not to care for the pvp mission boards at all, which leads me to believe the daily town quests should not have been part of the event. Pve folks also seem not to care what faction is emp, or who has the scrolls, or has the keeps and the associated stat bonuses with each. Pretty sad when one faction 30 strong is sieging and your faction is pop locked with only 6 defending because everyone else seems to be running daily quests in the towns. Can't tell you have many times I have heard about an enemy faction taking over the town but crickets when last keep is about to be taken for emp.
I thought it was kinda of clever to set up a kill shop in the buildings. Annoying yes but clever nonetheless. Not sure I could do that as it would get to be boring too fast for me.
One's mileage may vary with the various weekly events, and many have posted alternatives for those who loathe pvp and how to obtain the style pages for this week. I have run numerous toons through cryo since Friday and have had no issues or problems getting all but one style page, with at least eight duplicates. Yes I got jumped in the buildings, jumped in dungeons and jumped at spawn locations, jumped at the quest giver when the town was owned by another faction, but somehow I was able to overcome.1 -
JadeCoin✭✭✭✭furiouslog wrote: »So, with all of that in mind, this is my question: what the hell are you guys actually trying to achieve? I really want to know. Because if you want to broaden the enjoyment of the game for your customers by giving them incentives to try new content, speaking as a long-term consumer of your product, you are failing to provide a positive first impression of that content. If your intent is to feed the PvP community with players they can repeatedly gank and mock, who don't have the gear or skills to handle the zone, I'd suggest telling us all that up front. That way we're going in eyes wide open.
I think this is a fair question and one that, in all honesty, ZOS may need to ask themselves.
Last time the Anniversary Event took place, it was shorter and you could do any daily anytime, including the PvP dailies. So separating the 5 weeks out by type of daily this year may have seemed like a perfectly natural way to spread it out longer. Add to that the fact that PvEers already need to go into PvP, for example to level Assault and Support, and the fact that the style pages are available through trade and through tickets (and hence also through the Crown Store), and ZOS may not have given it much thought at all.
Hopefully the company will reflect on how this event impacts a multitude of things that should be important to them, even just from a business perspective: the new player experience in Cyrodiil, the future health of PvP, the unity of the community, the state of relations between PvP and PvE. I think if they do they might approach it differently in future events. They'll always have an investment in encouraging players to try different things, moving away from "any daily any time." Just that this may not be the best way to do it.2 -
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✭furiouslog wrote: »Right now, as I write this, a Twitch streamer named t***p is being obnoxious to and killing questers unless they pay him a “questing license fee” of 500g to let them stay and play (which I probably would have paid if he stuck to it), and everyone in the chat is derisively mocking the questers whether they pay or not. They are saying that PvE are old people and lame. As an “old person”, I take offense. The PvE crowd also calls PvPers “talentless kids”, which the people in chat also pointed out, and I saw that a lot in zone chat, e.g. “when mommy gets home they’ll have to log off”. Is this the community ZAM intends to foster and support? People trying PvP for the first time are not lead down a path of building teamwork and strategic prowess, they are doing the same kind of stuff they do everywhere else and being mocked and tortured while they do it.
Well that is absolutely lovely.
I'd also like an answer from ZoS at this point.
Do you want this in your game? Because you clearly encouraged it. If you were so blind to not see it at least aknowledge it and don't do it anymore.
The game has become a toxic pool of radioactive scum, are you not going to do anything? And all in your 5th anniversary when things were supposed to be happy for all.
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
If people can't get the anniversary boxes, they can't get outfit page drops, which means their choices are either 1. buy it from a PvP player who's cornered the market so they can charge super high prices for it, or 2. buy it from the Impresario with tickets. The event lasts enough time, getting 2 tickets daily, to get enough indrik feathers and/or berries OR buy a full set of outfit pieces, not both, and then there's the indrik pet to be released. There are more things to buy than the event gives tickets for, but since you cannot get indrik feathers or berries from anniversary box drops, the box drops are the things that people are working toward with event activities. If they can't do that because they are prevented by griefers, they must resort to the choices I outlined in my first sentence.Edited by Minyassa on April 22, 2019 6:39PM1 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Really don’t understand why more PVEers have not gone into IC completed the Intro quest about 7 that unlock all the daily’s (6 in total). You get to see some of the most esteticaly appealing content created for the game pick up skyshards as you move around the districts. Once you have completed the intro quest you can come back and quickly do all 6 in like 45 min tops per day.
You will encounter other PVPers sure but you can zone back into the district in seconds if you die and not deal with the horse simulator. There are 2 intro quest you may not be able to solo (Temple and Arena) but just a shout in zone will get people to come and help from your faction.
But I guess raging on the forums for hours on end is more enjoyable.... go figure.
Probably because most PvEers are not told anything about this and since they are PvEers they don't know about it from just messing around in PvP. This is the first time in 3 years of play I've ever even seen it mentioned and I *do* mess around with PvP, just not a lot. I think if PvEers were made aware of this they probably would do it. I doubt anyone of the many posters here complaining about griefers would choose to be griefed over actually getting things done.4 -
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✭Seen several posts like this and I'm generally not empathetic because it's not that difficult to become a competent PvPer if you have a pretty good understanding of the game in general. And PvP is half of the end game after all... I sincerely want everybody to try it. But this sort of behaviour does suck.
My question: why are people doing dailies in the towns though, do you get something different for those? Seems like the scouting missions would be the easiest way to just farm boxes. And if you're a PvEer actually interested in giving Cyrodiil a try, doing the mission board quests and joining a group would be a much better experience than just going to a PvP area and doing the PvE stuff there.3 -
JadeCoin✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
If people can't get the anniversary boxes, they can't get outfit page drops, which means their choices are either 1. buy it from a PvP player who's cornered the market so they can charge super high prices for it, or 2. buy it from the Impresario with tickets. The event lasts enough time, getting 2 tickets daily, to get enough indrik feathers and/or berries OR buy a full set of outfit pieces, not both, and then there's the indrik pet to be released. There are more things to buy than the event gives tickets for, but since you cannot get indrik feathers or berries from anniversary box drops, the box drops are the things that people are working toward with event activities. If they can't do that because they are prevented by griefers, they must resort to the choices I outlined in my first sentence.
For me it comes back to event design: with limited time and limited tickets, the event deliberately fosters FOMO as a marketing strategy. It's probably a pretty effective one, and I don't fault any company for wanting to make money, but by the same token they can't act innocent and surprised all of a sudden when people are, well, fearful of missing out.
I don't care about collecting the styles myself. My point is that responsibility for this is on the designers.1 -
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In other events, ZOS has tied loot boxes to the same quest rewards, so I do not believe this is the case.For me it comes back to event design: with limited time and limited tickets, the event deliberately fosters FOMO as a marketing strategy. It's probably a pretty effective one, and I don't fault any company for wanting to make money, but by the same token they can't act innocent and surprised all of a sudden when people are, well, fearful of missing out.
Furthermore, these styles will likely all be inexpensive to purchase from other players during week five when they all drop from all activities.
The town quests are supposed to promote PVP. The players hunting questers are playing this content as it was intended to be played.
The part that is broken about this is that some players are so addicted to loot boxes that they will do things they hate to grind them. Those players truly need to look in the mirror and consider why they got into gaming in the first place -- because right now, they're barely more sophisticated than mice searching for cheese in a maze.Edited by zyk on April 22, 2019 7:06PM1 -
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✭✭PVP can be an exhilarating and fun experience. Unfortunately, it occasionally gets buried under the depraved idiocy of emotionally damaged people. I enjoy a good battle. I don't even mind dying when 10 zealous players make it their mission to kill me. You win some, you lose some. But when these events are accompanied by host of ugly, toxic PM's, it crosses a line, and the accumulative effects are far from what ZOS has intended. I used to PVP daily. Now I only venture there if I need transmute crystals.
I think it's unfortunate ZOS doesn't enforce some kind of civility. It's counter productive and drives people away. If you kill me, good on you...but please leave my deceased mother out of it.5 -
furiouslog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seen several posts like this and I'm generally not empathetic because it's not that difficult to become a competent PvPer if you have a pretty good understanding of the game in general. And PvP is half of the end game after all... I sincerely want everybody to try it. But this sort of behaviour does suck.
My question: why are people doing dailies in the towns though, do you get something different for those? Seems like the scouting missions would be the easiest way to just farm boxes. And if you're a PvEer actually interested in giving Cyrodiil a try, doing the mission board quests and joining a group would be a much better experience than just going to a PvP area and doing the PvE stuff there.
There is a 5 year anniversary help guide out there on a well established website that highlighted the quests that took the least amount of time, each of which are in the three alliance towns. Absent, or even with conflict (if you move on once it is prevalent), it's the fastest way to get boxes. The guide naturally covers the nature of PvP. It does not adjust their recommendations on the basis of door exploits, which it probably ought to.
The scouting missions require more time per box, but ganking appears to be less probable. So it's a balance. You can get 12 quests done in a town in less than 30 minutes without interruption, with a likely page drop, which is why the towns are the best targets. This provides a strong incentive to use the door exploit to gank questers without actually capturing the town to allow your alliance to access it, since it would be more challenging to achieve and sustain that goal. As they hold the house down, they keep accruing players from their alliance, and the questers get tired of going in and failing, and then move on. Once the guys in the house have a suitable mass of alliance players and questers have stopped coming in, they exit the house and cap the town because in all likelihood there are not enough people there to defend it.I saw this process twice. It's definitely smart, but it's also cheese.
Because the PvErs are there to get pages, most don't care about the town if there is another town to use. Because the PvPers in my alliance hate the questers, most of them won't come help take the town back, instead choosing to mock us for "whining". To be fair, they are likely engaged with other tasks important to the campaign anyway. I just wish they were more balanced in how they express themselves, because I don't view complaining about the door exploit in the same league as whining about PvP in general, as many in this thread have chosen to assume without actually reading and understanding the issue, which addresses ZOS's commitment to their consumers and asks for clarification on their intent.6 -
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In other events, ZOS has tied loot boxes to the same quest rewards, so I do not believe this is the case.For me it comes back to event design: with limited time and limited tickets, the event deliberately fosters FOMO as a marketing strategy. It's probably a pretty effective one, and I don't fault any company for wanting to make money, but by the same token they can't act innocent and surprised all of a sudden when people are, well, fearful of missing out.
Furthermore, these styles will likely all be inexpensive to purchase from other players during week five when they all drop from all activities.
The town quests are supposed to promote PVP. The players hunting questers are playing this content as it was intended to be played.
The part that is broken about this is that some players are so addicted to loot boxes that they will do things they hate to grind them. Those players truly need to look in the mirror and consider why they got into gaming in the first place -- because right now, they're barely more sophisticated than mice searching for cheese in a maze.
The event tickets are new this year. The combination of limited availability and limited count cap is something they've never done before. The "never returning" (or possibly never returning) event items like the Indrik are also new. It's just my opinion, but I think they've taken their strategy to the next level.
I agree that players need to challenge the marketing and remember to think for themselves. My point is that this event could easily have been designed in a way that produced much less negative emotion surrounding the PvP week. Human nature is what it is, and although you can fight it, you're better off working with it than against it if you want to achieve something positive.2 -
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Maybe they're not sympathetic at all because the topic of door farms was reconciled by AvA players in 2014. You're kind of playing baseball for the first time and complaining about a batter extending his at-bat indefinitely with fouls. It's a total dead horse that's practically irrelevant outside of infrequent events.furiouslog wrote: »balanced in how they express themselves, because I don't view complaining about the door exploit in the same league as whining about PvP in general, as many in this thread have chosen to assume without actually reading and understanding the issue, which addresses ZOS's commitment to their consumers and asks for clarification on their intent.
There are approximately 65,536 bugs in Cyrodiil more important than how doors function and how that may impact a town quest.
Personally, I hope ZOS removes the loot box rewards from these quest rewards for the next event so I never have to think about those awful town quests again. They're irrelevant.1 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭furiouslog wrote: »Seen several posts like this and I'm generally not empathetic because it's not that difficult to become a competent PvPer if you have a pretty good understanding of the game in general. And PvP is half of the end game after all... I sincerely want everybody to try it. But this sort of behaviour does suck.
My question: why are people doing dailies in the towns though, do you get something different for those? Seems like the scouting missions would be the easiest way to just farm boxes. And if you're a PvEer actually interested in giving Cyrodiil a try, doing the mission board quests and joining a group would be a much better experience than just going to a PvP area and doing the PvE stuff there.
There is a 5 year anniversary help guide out there on a well established website that highlighted the quests that took the least amount of time, each of which are in the three alliance towns. Absent, or even with conflict (if you move on once it is prevalent), it's the fastest way to get boxes. The guide naturally covers the nature of PvP. It does not adjust their recommendations on the basis of door exploits, which it probably ought to.
The scouting missions require more time per box, but ganking appears to be less probable. So it's a balance. You can get 12 quests done in a town in less than 30 minutes without interruption, with a likely page drop, which is why the towns are the best targets. This provides a strong incentive to use the door exploit to gank questers without actually capturing the town to allow your alliance to access it, since it would be more challenging to achieve and sustain that goal. As they hold the house down, they keep accruing players from their alliance, and the questers get tired of going in and failing, and then move on. Once the guys in the house have a suitable mass of alliance players and questers have stopped coming in, they exit the house and cap the town because in all likelihood there are not enough people there to defend it.I saw this process twice. It's definitely smart, but it's also cheese.
Because the PvErs are there to get pages, most don't care about the town if there is another town to use. Because the PvPers in my alliance hate the questers, most of them won't come help take the town back, instead choosing to mock us for "whining". To be fair, they are likely engaged with other tasks important to the campaign anyway. I just wish they were more balanced in how they express themselves, because I don't view complaining about the door exploit in the same league as whining about PvP in general, as many in this thread have chosen to assume without actually reading and understanding the issue, which addresses ZOS's commitment to their consumers and asks for clarification on their intent.
12 quests in 30min is very efficient. But, alternate guide: hop on nightblade and do scouting missions /profit.0
