Sick of toxic players in PVE

karekiz · April 2019

macsmooth wrote: »

I applaud you for what you did but next week isn’t going to fun on events either as their will be people queuing as tanks, healers and well dds that won’t be doing any of those roles so I would post sick of events that make you interact with others it’s just not on

Normals don't require a tank or healer though

StormeReigns · April 2019

While I giggle at this thread... +1 to the op...
Lets give it some substance for the few that think, all it takes is just a guild invite away to no longer suffer toxic pve players.

I am probably little above average, pulling about 50k-to-54k dps, able to adaptto mechanics pretty easily, and only one death on record in a trial group, two months ago, being able to run one to two trials maybe once every month or so.

I see groups and guilds seeking a dps, I respond, give them a run down. I am deaf, but I can have wife (wife doesn't play but enjoys warching the game) sign for me and translate for group in discord. Suddenly, spammed whispers and mail that is hatefilled in return. More so now that this event has launched. More Oftentimes I am told to "Kay Yourself" cause, apparently my choice to willingly have a disability is ruining the game for end game guilds and groups and dont have the time to teach me what i already know.
So far, this has happened occasionally, but now... Every. Single. Day. Since event launched, could be some astounding coincidence, but seems pretty farfetched as beforehand, still suffered the same results, even when building my own group and guilds.

So in the end, I opted to just go mostly pvp, and daily normals cause, why bother wasting time with it, when i can have more fun doing my own thing.l, where the pvp community has welcomed me and doesn't care i am deaf, or mainly solo now either, its kill or be killed. All are equal in the eyes of sithis.

PvE, outside of overland content, to me has proven to be nothing but pure toxic, and have yet to be proven wrong.

Shievarei · April 2019

Pve and pvp both have toxic players. Just like everything in life can have toxic individuals.

starkerealm · April 2019

karekiz wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

I applaud you for what you did but next week isn’t going to fun on events either as their will be people queuing as tanks, healers and well dds that won’t be doing any of those roles so I would post sick of events that make you interact with others it’s just not on

Normals don't require a tank or healer though

Most groups in the random normal queue need a tank and healer for the DLC dungeons. In some cases, they need good ones.

Bealeb319 · April 2019

Pve can be toxic too lol I've seen people get booted from groups for not being good and people will openly tell other players how they think they are trash. I have been booted from groups before anyone has even moved to clear trash with no reason or explaination.

bigelle.x3_ESO · April 2019

Bealeb319 wrote: »

Pve can be toxic too lol I've seen people get booted from groups for not being good and people will openly tell other players how they think they are trash. I have been booted from groups before anyone has even moved to clear trash with no reason or explaination.

Probably your cp. Cp ruins the game change my mind.

mobicera · April 2019

I pug on at least one character daily for vet pledges and the amount of toxic people I have encountered is actually very low... I really wonder about these posts sometimes. I play on PS4 na and really outside of zone chat the toxicity is very low. Maybe I am just lucky but I have my doubts and I only consider myself an average player.

starkerealm · April 2019

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Bealeb319 wrote: »

Pve can be toxic too lol I've seen people get booted from groups for not being good and people will openly tell other players how they think they are trash. I have been booted from groups before anyone has even moved to clear trash with no reason or explaination.

Probably your cp. Cp ruins the game change my mind.

Sounds weird, but okay. *Replaces @bigelle.x3_ESO's brain.*

StormeReigns · April 2019

mobicera wrote: »

I pug on at least one character daily for vet pledges and the amount of toxic people I have encountered is actually very low... I really wonder about these posts sometimes. I play on PS4 na and really outside of zone chat the toxicity is very low. Maybe I am just lucky but I have my doubts and I only consider myself an average player.

So, cause you, personally, have if ever, rarely ever experience it on PS4/NA, that means others despite being on different platforms must be lying. Gotcha. Cause, we all are exactly like you and not different or experienced our own situations.

Bealeb319 · April 2019

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Bealeb319 wrote: »

Pve can be toxic too lol I've seen people get booted from groups for not being good and people will openly tell other players how they think they are trash. I have been booted from groups before anyone has even moved to clear trash with no reason or explaination.

Probably your cp. Cp ruins the game change my mind.

Cp is in the 500s and I was on a healer should really not be a major issue

mobicera · April 2019

SkerKro wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I pug on at least one character daily for vet pledges and the amount of toxic people I have encountered is actually very low... I really wonder about these posts sometimes. I play on PS4 na and really outside of zone chat the toxicity is very low. Maybe I am just lucky but I have my doubts and I only consider myself an average player.

So, cause you, personally, have if ever, rarely ever experience it on PS4/NA, that means others despite being on different platforms must be lying. Gotcha.

I never said you were lying but I'm starting to see a trend now... And 3-4 years with thousands of pug runs accounts for something...

StormeReigns · April 2019

mobicera wrote: »

SkerKro wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I pug on at least one character daily for vet pledges and the amount of toxic people I have encountered is actually very low... I really wonder about these posts sometimes. I play on PS4 na and really outside of zone chat the toxicity is very low. Maybe I am just lucky but I have my doubts and I only consider myself an average player.

So, cause you, personally, have if ever, rarely ever experience it on PS4/NA, that means others despite being on different platforms must be lying. Gotcha.

I never said you were lying but I'm starting to see a trend now...

Dont need to say it directly to directly imply it.

Spacegato · April 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

Few ppl in a trade guild of mine ran a dungeon. The talked trash on the "noob" tank for 15 minutes in guild chat after they kicked him from the group. The whined they couldn't find a tank.

When it comes to new players, maybe take a second to realize they are new and your interaction with them could determine how they view Pve, or pvp for that matter.

In other words, get off your high horse this is a dam game. If you can't complete a dungeon for the thousandth time because of a new guy, what did you lose?

Help the new guys and gals who want to learn. Don't be a ***.

First dungeon for me wss Banished cells and was a dps, died somewhere near the end and as a starting player had no soul gems and no one would revive me. So teleported to the wayshrine and got lost told them I was on my way but it was to late, they kicked me on the last boss.. Took a long time before I did dungeons again.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2019

@Dragneel1207 idk if it was already said...however listen to this toxic !@#$ that is me...DO NO PUG!...for 2 reasons...1st if you want to learn you must find a guild that will accept you as an unknowing player and they will teach you...then u will make your own choices...2nd in pugs me and others expect people to already know what to do...since pugs especially trials are for either fast farming stuff or weekly box...having joined a group with inexperienced player/s will result in a lot of wasted time for no long term benefit...thus going to the 1st point...find a guild.

P.S. dont forget you Hazmat Suit when ur wondering the world alone...there is no other way to protect urself against toxicity

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Kikke · April 2019

Telling a group it's your first time before the dungeon starts helps, as people wont expect anything from you.

If you tell them you're new and you get kicked that means only one thing: They were not good enough to carry you. It has NOTHING to do with toxicity. Just why should 3 people waste their time if they know they cannot 3man the dungeon with one hanging behind?

If you get kicked instantly because of low CP, sup 160cp will get kicked from any group that is looking for gear as you wont drop gear they will need. Selfish yeh, not toxic.

If you get kicked because of low dps - Learn dps
If you get kicked because of low bad support - Learn tanking / healing

Ask questions if there is something you don't understand.
Accept the answers you get.
Tell people whats happening and don't expect them to be mind-readers, if you're away from the group over an amount of time and no communication is done, you will be kicked.

Don't go afk at start, middle or before the end boss as that will get you kicked. stop wasting peoples time.

Don't queue with fake roles. You're wasting peoples time.

Personally; What I find the most toxic of all are players with 0 willingness to learn anything, expects people that have learned to carry them everywhere. Because of reasons like "playing games should not be work". . .

RogueShark · April 2019

Every facet of the game has toxicity.
I was in a random pug OVERLAND BOSS group in Summerset for daily boxes and got block hate-telled after mentioning in idle conversation about how mutagen is useful in some content. Apparently I was a scrub and needed to learn to play and git gud.

I have had almost nothing but good raid experiences. Really all it takes is finding your crowd. If you're new to the content yourself, be sure you seek progression groups, where learning is expected. Don't take constructive criticism as a personal attck; listen and learn from advice. Prog groups generally want to help everyone improve and learn so everybody can move on to tackle the next content. Don't have time for abusive jerks. There are enough friendly, helpful people out there that you don't need to waste time on the bad ones.

Slunksters · April 2019

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

Slunksters wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

hmm
@Banana
where do u find a guild that helps a new tank
hmm let me guess none

I'm I'm a guild that took me in at 160ish cp, with noobs doing 70k+ DPS, you know the "elitist" people complain about. You would be surprised how helpful people are when you tell them beforehand you don't know a dungeon or mechanics.

Most people kick you out of group because :
1 - you are doing poorly, didn't bother warning your group you were knew to tanking /healing.
2 - you are doing poorly, your group isn't any better know they need someone to carry them.

And this game has a lot of entitled people who refuse to learn how to play and just want to be carried.

U sir seems to have not pugged enough.

I literally pug daily I'm vet on my tank, cause I like the fun, plus I find nice people who want to improve to invite in the guild I'm in.
The guild leader and I share the same love for pug group. Most of them are not aware they are better than they think, and a few good advice here and there, some patience, instead of flaming and insults, open the door to completing any dungeon.

JayAstrophel · April 2019

Toxic players anywhere are not great. There’s negative people no matter where you go.

Take the big road and help people out in what you like to do! If you pvp, help new pvpers. If you PvE, help people that want to learn dungeons and trials! If you fish, then hey, teach people about the fishing baits and all that cool stuff. The world needs some light in it.

bigelle.x3_ESO · April 2019

Kikke wrote: »

If you tell them you're new and you get kicked that means only one thing: They were not good enough to carry you. It has NOTHING to do with toxicity. Just why should 3 people waste their time if they know they cannot 3man the dungeon with one hanging behind?

New players don't need to be carried. They just need to learn mechanics. No amount of guide reading will compare to actually doing content. Kicking people for not having done something is a *** thing to do.

Kikke · April 2019

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

If you tell them you're new and you get kicked that means only one thing: They were not good enough to carry you. It has NOTHING to do with toxicity. Just why should 3 people waste their time if they know they cannot 3man the dungeon with one hanging behind?

New players don't need to be carried. They just need to learn mechanics. No amount of guide reading will compare to actually doing content. Kicking people for not having done something is a *** thing to do.

and why should 3 people that don't want to spend their time teaching a new player be forced to teach a new player if they don't want to? Find a guild then that does dungeon runs with new players. this is an MMO. Guilds are there for a reason.

Queue Group finder and EXPECTING to not be kicked is just entitled. Work towards not getting kicked. And no, the "there was no reason for the kick" is just BS as there is ALWAYS something that happened.

Myself, capped player, did 80%+ of group dps (not that I care). I noticed people were dying to a mechanic while I was soloing the boss more or so. Then because they did not get to fight the boss I whiped it. Tried to tell them how the mechanic worked so they might have a chance to stay alive - Kicked.

So nope. There is always a reason. In my case, they wanted a carry. And I tried to teach them something in a video game.

frostz417 · April 2019

Don’t worry, all the toxic pve’ers are getting farmed trying to do quest in cyrodiil during this fantastic event.

sevomd69 · April 2019

SkerKro wrote: »

While I giggle at this thread... +1 to the op...
Lets give it some substance for the few that think, all it takes is just a guild invite away to no longer suffer toxic pve players.

I am probably little above average, pulling about 50k-to-54k dps, able to adaptto mechanics pretty easily, and only one death on record in a trial group, two months ago, being able to run one to two trials maybe once every month or so.

I see groups and guilds seeking a dps, I respond, give them a run down. I am deaf, but I can have wife (wife doesn't play but enjoys warching the game) sign for me and translate for group in discord. Suddenly, spammed whispers and mail that is hatefilled in return. More so now that this event has launched. More Oftentimes I am told to "Kay Yourself" cause, apparently my choice to willingly have a disability is ruining the game for end game guilds and groups and dont have the time to teach me what i already know.
So far, this has happened occasionally, but now... Every. Single. Day. Since event launched, could be some astounding coincidence, but seems pretty farfetched as beforehand, still suffered the same results, even when building my own group and guilds.

So in the end, I opted to just go mostly pvp, and daily normals cause, why bother wasting time with it, when i can have more fun doing my own thing.l, where the pvp community has welcomed me and doesn't care i am deaf, or mainly solo now either, its kill or be killed. All are equal in the eyes of sithis.

PvE, outside of overland content, to me has proven to be nothing but pure toxic, and have yet to be proven wrong.

Only one death ever in a trial? You must be only running normal trials...

IzzyStardust · April 2019

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

hmm
@Banana
where do u find a guild that helps a new tank
hmm let me guess none

There are ton of such guilds, and there is real shortage of tanks in normal trials since experienced ones are too bored there and newbies are afraid of tanking. If you are speaking about vet trials, yes, first you need to complete it several times as dps and learn all mechanics and what tanks should do and only then attempt them as a tank, this is impossible with lfg.
If you are on PC EU, I'm in one rly amicable guild where both normal and vet trials are regularly organized by experienced trial leaders, and "elitism" and bm are forbidden, we may take you in.

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

hmm
@Banana
where do u find a guild that helps a new tank
hmm let me guess none

Sorry but that’s BS. I am a member of 2 guilds who both train tanks - they also have cores which are for experienced players.

PC NA? Hit me up in game (send a mail; I have pts raid in a few) and I will get you invites to both.

@IzzyStardust

hmm
so u want me to go as dd and for that i need to create an extra char or revamp my tank and get all those sets. this is what it means no love for those roles.
u know how much time it took me to get a group for vDSA its more than 3 weeks and that too all newbies (i actually begged in forums and group chat)
so u claim there are such guilds. I only remember guilds recruiting exp tanks and heal who done hm etc..

If u come to pugging normal as tank u r stepping into nightmare and light works
edit: removed double time quoting

I never said that. I said I'd get you invites to 2 guilds where actual tanks could teach you (I cannot tank trials) - but I'm not gonna go rounds with someone who only wants to be mad. Do what ya like.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · April 2019

Imo I feel like the forum itself is more toxic than the people playing the game

Waynerx8 · April 2019

Of late ESO for a lot of people seems to be more a fulltime professional job than what it's supposed to be, A GAME, nobody gives a [removed profanity] in the real world if you are good at ESO.

wolvensol87 · April 2019

Personally myself i'd rather run with people who are new and wanna learn then face plow dungeons over and over but thats me. The people who either wanna learn or are open to help tend to be the nicer of people i've ran with in any mmo then people who tend to wanna face plow EVERYTHING.

Iccotak · April 2019

Join a Guild. Seriously that solves most complaints about players in Dungeons and Trials

Dunning_Kruger · April 2019

I find crafters to be toxic as well. One time I asked someone to craft me a gold set and xe demanded I give xym materials. I simply told xym I don’t do resource gathering and I don’t find it enjoyable; but nevertheless I expect a gold set of gear. I shouldn’t have to work for it. It’s not xyr fault really it’s just poor design from ZoS.

Cpt_Teemo · April 2019

Dunning_Kruger wrote: »

I find crafters to be toxic as well. One time I asked someone to craft me a gold set and xe demanded I give xym materials. I simply told xym I don’t do resource gathering and I don’t find it enjoyable; but nevertheless I expect a gold set of gear. I shouldn’t have to work for it. It’s not xyr fault really it’s just poor design from ZoS.

You do realize legendary gear does cost quite a bit to make, from nearly 40k to 100k, and now nearly up to 250k for jewelery

SomeDogsAreCops · April 2019

LordTareq wrote: »

I can’t understand why they locked unique loot and skins behind difficult pve encounters. What were they thinking? I tried to solo fang lair and just kept dying and dying and dying, absolutely horrible experience. I even tried to do it with a random group but we were killed anyway despite my full impen pvp gear. Poor design zenimax, poor design!!!

What's the point of playing if there isn't a way to challenge yourself and be rewarded for it?