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Thanks for allowing Skyshards to be brought to other characters. Thread closed.
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Na0cho✭✭✭It really is not going to happen.
!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons.
2. this one is much clearer, granting a fully leveled mage guild line to every lvl 1 character is 100% a bad idea. OMG, lol, below 50 cyrodiil would be no place for a new player when much of the field would have meteor on the first day the character is rolled. Not to mention some of the other skills and passives.
Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.
Don’t know how long you are below 50 , but when I make a new character I’m 50 in less than 4 hours so wtf would I go play in under 50 Cyril when that should be for legitimate new players.2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It really is not going to happen.
!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons.
2. this one is much clearer, granting a fully leveled mage guild line to every lvl 1 character is 100% a bad idea. OMG, lol, below 50 cyrodiil would be no place for a new player when much of the field would have meteor on the first day the character is rolled. Not to mention some of the other skills and passives.
Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.
Don’t know how long you are below 50 , but when I make a new character I’m 50 in less than 4 hours so wtf would I go play in under 50 Cyril when that should be for legitimate new players.
You might not, but for some players, those sub-50s look like easy targets, and convenient AP farms. They run lowbie PvP content until their eyes bleed, because they think it gives them an advantage, before they're chucked unceremoniously into the general population where they need to fend for themselves.
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but the upper MMR bracket for sub-50 Battlegrounds is brutal.1 -
Na0cho✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »It really is not going to happen.
!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons.
2. this one is much clearer, granting a fully leveled mage guild line to every lvl 1 character is 100% a bad idea. OMG, lol, below 50 cyrodiil would be no place for a new player when much of the field would have meteor on the first day the character is rolled. Not to mention some of the other skills and passives.
Why don't we just sell instantly maxed characters in the crown store. That would solve the issue you are facing. Win/win situation. We get it so easy it is boring and Zos makes some bank. 25k crowns each.
Don’t know how long you are below 50 , but when I make a new character I’m 50 in less than 4 hours so wtf would I go play in under 50 Cyril when that should be for legitimate new players.
You might not, but for some players, those sub-50s look like easy targets, and convenient AP farms. They run lowbie PvP content until their eyes bleed, because they think it gives them an advantage, before they're chucked unceremoniously into the general population where they need to fend for themselves.
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but the upper MMR bracket for sub-50 Battlegrounds is brutal.
I guess maybe. The only time I did under 50 bg’s was when I was purposefully leveling a magden build purely through bg’s for fun.
That build was such cancer that I never ran into anyone who could kill me so my opinion is a bit skewed. I suppose I’ll just take your word for it.
Personally, I’ve done all the low level *** so many times on so many alts that I am super excited about not having to go through it all again.
I wouldn’t be opposed to them even letting us buy lvl 50 characters to avoid that grind too, with maybe the exception that you need to have at least 4 or so characters at max level so you have an understanding of the game in general if maybe not all the specific skills.1 -
Bekkael✭✭✭✭✭
Okaaaaay. Thanks for being cryptic. I tried looking at Dev Tracker, but I have no idea what I'm actually searching for, hence why I asked for a link in the first place. I haven't been on the forums much lately, so I'm out of the information loop.
EDIT: After a google search, I found what I assume is the answer on reddit.
Edited by Bekkael on April 21, 2019 6:42PM~~ Lady Gamer ~~ ♥ ~~ Xbox NA ~~0 -
kratier✭✭✭✭nah its like the level skip quest skip cash shop items from other mmos, its fine. but the problem here is , this isnt 1 x everything is unlocked, this is piecemeal crap. they are going to charge by zone, etc etc, they should just do all skyshards period, and a flat price0
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I love reading threads like these. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, however, can't help but laugh at those that say something will never happen because it's been discussed many times over by forum users, so that's proof something will never happen. So yeah, it's always better to refrain from thinking because some people say something, it makes it a fact.
The only opinion that really matters are those making the game. Even then, ZoS have been known for changing tact too.
What people said was that skyshards and other achievements wouldn't be made account-wide, and they haven't been. What people warned was that if ZOS gave any ground at all on this it would be through the crown store, and it was.
There were a few people in here that stated it was never gonna happen, per account and even per character.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Bekkael, for the record: Once Elsewyr drops, we'll be able to buy sets of skyshards in the crown store. Sets are broken up by zone (so, Glenumbra, Stonefalls, Wrothgar, ect.), and in order to purchase them, you need to have already unlocked the associated achievement on at least on of your characters.
Note that while this will be possible, on the current PTS build, the shards are bugged, so they cannot be purcahsed at all, even after logging in on a character with the achievements.
Also, at present, we do not know pricing, and the shards collections per character. Cyrodiil is three separate purchases. So it will be possible to skirt around having to collect hostile temple shards if you're willing to complete the collections on alts.
The Cyrodiil Mountain shard and the Wailing Prison shard cannot be purchased, and must be collected normally.0 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭It really is not going to happen.
!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons.
2. this one is much clearer, granting a fully leveled mage guild line to every lvl 1 character is 100% a bad idea. OMG, lol, below 50 cyrodiil would be no place for a new player when much of the field would have meteor on the first day the character is rolled. Not to mention some of the other skills and passives.
I’ve already been to that Cyrodiil, it was called console release!!PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.1 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭exeeter702 wrote: »...!. granting the huge amount of skill points all the sky shards grant to any ne lvl 1 character rolled is doubtful to interest Zos for what should be obvious reasons...KiraTsukasa wrote: »...Not going into how broken it would be to start a new character and have a plethora of skill points...
Could someone please explain to me why this would be bad? I mean, you don't really have anything to spend those skillpoints on when you're low leveled.
The skill points themselves not so much, but lore books, level 1 go to mages guild, join up, boom meteor in you pocket.
I mean its not really game breaking honestly.
To be fair, game-breaking to me is having to run around for about 10 hours or more clicking on books just to have a magicka class character. Never has anyone complained about levelling fighters guild, because at least that is progressed through actual gameplay.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.2 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »Account wide shards and books? Where would the challenge to the game be? Every new character starts with 50 - 100 free skill points and is level 5 in mage guild?
Granted I like the CPs, but this would way unbalance things
Not a good idea
challenge we have in veteran content and pvp
exploration like skyshards are just not only time eating no skill thing but also time waster to many of us who have no time to repeat something like this, this is not challenge
Sounds to me like you think it is Too Much of a challenge.
Yes, they take time. But if they were worth doing the first time, then they obviously have some intrinsic value to the game and the character.
OK, you personally don't have a lot of time to invest in the game. Skyshards take time.
So you're conclusion is that the Game has to Change to adjust to Your specific requirements?
You obviously Want the benefit skyshards give. You just don't want to have to Work for the benefit skyshards give.
There isn't any reason to start EVERY new character with 143 skill points.0 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭barney2525 wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »Account wide shards and books? Where would the challenge to the game be? Every new character starts with 50 - 100 free skill points and is level 5 in mage guild?
Granted I like the CPs, but this would way unbalance things
Not a good idea
challenge we have in veteran content and pvp
exploration like skyshards are just not only time eating no skill thing but also time waster to many of us who have no time to repeat something like this, this is not challenge
Sounds to me like you think it is Too Much of a challenge.
Yes, they take time. But if they were worth doing the first time, then they obviously have some intrinsic value to the game and the character.
OK, you personally don't have a lot of time to invest in the game. Skyshards take time.
So you're conclusion is that the Game has to Change to adjust to Your specific requirements?
You obviously Want the benefit skyshards give. You just don't want to have to Work for the benefit skyshards give.
There isn't any reason to start EVERY new character with 143 skill points.
welp...as for now skyshard topic for me is closed...as more I realized I dont have that much problem with collecting shards on new characters...I just realized I hated to do this like anything other to level alts because of character achiev system which I dont like
if I could have an option I would jsut turn literally every acheivement possible to gain on every new character just to show how much I dont care about those on my alts if the3re is no any possible option to get atleast some specific stupid achievs account bound - this was provoking me to just not wanting to do anything to grow my alt while seeing every achiev just at zero while on main that was 30k+ points0 -
NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheShadowScout wrote: »Yet another of those "gimme" threads?
No. Just no.
If you want maxed mages guild, go book hunting.
If you want all those skill points, grab those shyshards.
If you play an alt, you it again, or it ain't done.
If you want it enough, you will spend the effort.
If you don't feel like spending the effort, do without.
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Also, if anything, the people at ZOS -might- sell it in the crown store as "convenience" item. One region worth of skyshard grabs, 1500 crowns! One alliance worth, 5000 crowns! One lorebook collection, 2500 crowns. All lorebooks, 10000 crows! Per character, just like the riding lessons!
Still look like a good idea, peeps?
I know I will be patient and never ever spend anything on a crown riding lesson. And I would put in the effort to go book and shard hunting rather then pay for a shortcut.
If you were willing to pay, keep on posting.
But that's not the case now, is it?
The people agreeing here want it for free, right?
So they can "finish" the game and complain how there is nothing to achieve anymore, and move on to the next game.
And how exactly should that be in ZOS interest, huh?
Who’s side are you on? Because you seem to support the side that wants a greater time investment from seasoned players!?Most sane individuals surely want more time to play other games and do other things. It doesn’t mean players aren’t going to come back at the drop of new content, and have the ability, with some extra investment, to play a new and fleshed out class. This should be a win-win for us, the consumers and developers.
You will have to have a better counter-argument than, “you want it, you put in the time” because most adults would rather put the time into work and life. Not carrying the same grind they have done before or even a dozen times in some people’s cases.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
Bekkael✭✭✭✭✭@starkerealm Thanks for the clarification.
I gathered from the reddit thread how it was supposed to work. IMO it's a terrible implementation of what was being asked for. Instead of one flat fee to make an alt have all shards you have already unlocked on 1 or more characters, they've chosen to nickel and dime it to death. Just awful. I would never be tempted by this, but if it were one flat fee to make an alt have all shards my main has...I might be tempted.
For people that want it badly enough to be willing to pay lots for it, good, I guess? Definitely a big win for ZOS financially. If they can actually get it to work, that is, which currently seems debatable.~~ Lady Gamer ~~ ♥ ~~ Xbox NA ~~0 -
msalvia✭✭✭✭I have no idea if this actually happening, but if so, it's troubling. As of now, everything in the crown store is cosmetic OR minor timesavers that give no real competitive advantage. Being able to buy/unlock skyshards for alts is, by definition, pay to win--you are paying for an undeniable strategic advantage over others of the same level.
Sure, buying riding speed indirectly gives an advantage, almost entirely in cyro, but once i get into combat, it does nothing. If I can buy skyshards, it 100% gives me a combat edge.
If this is something that is actually happening, it sets a bad precedent and validates a lot of the P2W complaints that (at least currently) have no real basis.1
