Hippie4927 wrote: »And we need yet another thread on this because.................why?

You can easily avoid these pvpers. And 1vxing is toxic? I find t-bagging, name-shaming and whining all the time toxic. 1vxing is part of the game, been in the game since 2014. Dont like it? You can follow a zerg until the skilled player is dead or play bg’s or pve. Plenty of options.
You can't "easily avoid" the PvPers when they can outrun you and kill you before you even realize you're being attacked. You can't "easily avoid" them when they constantly run back and forth between the quest givers, so even approaching invis or stealthed doesn't do you any good because you're brought out of invis/stealth to interact with people. This isn't 1vX'ing, that's something completely different. This is people literally just deciding to make life difficult for other players because 'lol'. You must be getting this thread confused with normal PvP where people are actively running between objectives and fights, because there is no zerg when it comes to just running quests at the hubs.Bloody carebears. So you get killed a couple of times by lame people that aren't true pvp'ers. So what? Do they loot your corpse and steal your items? Does it cost you anything extra compared to dying to a bunch of mobs? Nope, in fact your gear doesn't even get damaged like in PvE. Respawn and try try again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwlWgMTCp8w
When people are getting killed over and over and over and over and over and over by the same no-life ganker deciding to camp a hub for hours...it's not getting killed 'a couple times'. It's having people repeatedly keep others from what they're trying to do, sometimes for hours, and for what? A few laughs? Because it makes them feel good to get maybe 1k AP from taking out a group of PvEers who can't defend themselves or fight back or even run away because they die in two seconds? Your whole 'respawn and try again' thing is the problem; people ARE trying again. And again. And again. And again. And again. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Also, your point about NPCs is a little moot, because they're not set so close to quest givers that they actively prevent you from turning in/picking up quests. Most of them also can't kill you with 2-3 skills. And they can't outrun you, so if you find yourself getting overwhelmed you can run off several feet and the NPCs lose aggro. There's a big difference between being killed by NPCs and being killed by players.
Why do you think a lot of players have been asking for a pve version of Cyrodiil for years?!
I mean i dont agree with that either. If your in pvp ya you should have to pvp. Like if your at a town and there trying to flip it for there dailies then ya, you should have to fight.
but the just sitting there and farming players is what i have an issue with. there not actually participating in pvp like it was intended. There just sitting there killing noobs over and over.

@Riejael There is fighting with honor, like not using potions in a duel, then there is fighting dirty like line-of-sighting and then there is using balistas indoors to specifically target people who want to do the event. This is not the midyear's event. It's an anniversay and we are already having to fight the RNG. This is just very counterproductive.
Camping the IC sewer entrance to get easy Telvars, that is "part of the game" - camping with siege weapons indoors even when nonthreatening nonhostile dancing players are trying to have fun and enjoy the party, that is not. Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but the way this event was designed encourages PvE in Cyrodiil far more than PvP. Why can't there be harmony on a birthday like with the Bleaker's exploit? Sure, that wasn't exactly working as intended, but that was a PvP event after all! This one is pretty much a PvE event with sprinkles of PvP on top. Or how many PvP related dailies do you count in Cyrodiil?
Why do you think a lot of players have been asking for a pve version of Cyrodiil for years?!
I mean i dont agree with that either. If your in pvp ya you should have to pvp. Like if your at a town and there trying to flip it for there dailies then ya, you should have to fight.
but the just sitting there and farming players is what i have an issue with. there not actually participating in pvp like it was intended. There just sitting there killing noobs over and over.
During the jesters festival my friends and I farmed a guild trading kills for the empieror achievement. These people walk in and start talking *** because we wouldn't leave them alone.
Now were we wrong for doing that? No.
Why? They were just a PvE guild trying to do the event.
The event was based in a PvP zone and the title was not meant to be free to achieve.
These dailies that happened last year had the same *** happen too. All the PvErs were pissed that they couldnt do the quests. Well they were doing the quests IN CYRODIIL because that was the fastest way to get all of your dailies done.
These PvE players only care about efficiency and whine when they keep getting ganked because its ruining that efficiency.
These players are farmed out of laughs and principle, because you shouldnt be able to get *** tons of the boxes without a challenge.
Yeah its not much of sport for us. But every forum post, hate tell, zone chat message and zerg that comes to deal with us that happens tells us we're doing our job. Because your *** attitudes is the cause of why it's fun.
@Riejael There is fighting with honor, like not using potions in a duel, then there is fighting dirty like line-of-sighting and then there is using balistas indoors to specifically target people who want to do the event.
When I used to play MechWarrior 3 about 22 years ago, there was a honor rule about not legging enemy mechs. You don't leg them, they don't leg you. The reason for this was that in MW2 and MW3 legging a mech was instant destruction. It made the fight quick and anti-climatic. Similar to a potion in a duel draws out the fight too much.
You know what happened? People were removing armor from their legs to invest in heatsinks and weapons. Why not? If the opponent was not going to shoot your legs, why not exploit that? Is that really honorable though?
I didn't think so. So I ordered those within my command structure to indiscriminate leg enemy mechs and being as we were one of the largest units in that community, the no-legging honor rule faded and by MW4, it was nearly gone.
So I don't subscribe to the idea of playing 'fairly' I'll use potions in PVP. I don't give two craps what my opponent thinks of me. If they don't like it, then they can make a choice to avoid. I've made my choice and no amount of name calling, diplomacy, or discussion will dissuade that. My mind was made up before many players here were born.
Its a useless endeavor to try to hold people to 'honor'. They'll follow it as long as it gives them an advantage. They'll exploit it when they can. And they'll drop it the moment it doesn't suit them. I'm not going to waste my time with it. Its over and done with as I said. I'd rather spend my time and effort to the objective at hand. I get far more enjoyment out of that. I know players will do bad things, its expected. So I no longer get shocked or offended when it happens.
I'm no hypocrite though. I treat players exactly how I expect to be treated in return. I don't care if people use potions, or ballistae in annoying locations. None of that bothers me. I consider it emergent gameplay. That's the whole reason the devs put the event in PVP. So this sort of gameplay happens, its for players that want to engage in it.
But as I said in my previous post, this is irrelevent. You can call those players toxic, or dishonorable, or whatever. It doesn't matter, they're not going to change. PVP is what it is. PVP was what it always was. PVP will be what it will always will be.
LeagueTroll wrote: »The worst are the scripters. Blatantly cheating. Instant break free all the time. Dodge incap all the time.
There is also those ‘small scale group’ players. In reality just 3v1 experts.
Not sure just having quests in Cyrodiil automatically means its PvE content.
After all, you get PvP currency for doing it. Doesn't that logically mean those quests are actually for PvP'ers?
Quests are not PvE by default, and the reasoning that its PvE content just solely based on it being a quest is inherently wrong.
Quest in a PvP zone that awards a PvP currency...logic dictates that it's a quest for PvP players.
But by all means, let's not let reasoning and logic dissuade any arguments on the contrary....🙄
Not sure just having quests in Cyrodiil automatically means its PvE content.
After all, you get PvP currency for doing it. Doesn't that logically mean those quests are actually for PvP'ers?
Quests are not PvE by default, and the reasoning that its PvE content just solely based on it being a quest is inherently wrong.
Quest in a PvP zone that awards a PvP currency...logic dictates that it's a quest for PvP players.
But by all means, let's not let reasoning and logic dissuade any arguments on the contrary....🙄
actual competitive games are never near the level of toxicity of mmo PVP
if i need my fill of PVP i play legitimate competitive games like for honor or rainbow 6 both quality games tons of fun.
Why do you think a lot of players have been asking for a pve version of Cyrodiil for years?!
I mean i dont agree with that either. If your in pvp ya you should have to pvp. Like if your at a town and there trying to flip it for there dailies then ya, you should have to fight.
but the just sitting there and farming players is what i have an issue with. there not actually participating in pvp like it was intended. There just sitting there killing noobs over and over.
During the jesters festival my friends and I farmed a guild trading kills for the empieror achievement. These people walk in and start talking *** because we wouldn't leave them alone.
Now were we wrong for doing that? No.
Why? They were just a PvE guild trying to do the event.
The event was based in a PvP zone and the title was not meant to be free to achieve.
These dailies that happened last year had the same *** happen too. All the PvErs were pissed that they couldnt do the quests. Well they were doing the quests IN CYRODIIL because that was the fastest way to get all of your dailies done.
These PvE players only care about efficiency and whine when they keep getting ganked because its ruining that efficiency.
These players are farmed out of laughs and principle, because you shouldnt be able to get *** tons of the boxes without a challenge.
Yeah its not much of sport for us. But every forum post, hate tell, zone chat message and zerg that comes to deal with us that happens tells us we're doing our job. Because your *** attitudes is the cause of why it's fun.
You burn ants too huh?
Ok first of I want to stay Im not the one getting farmed by these players in towns during this event. I dont play that game, I know better. Ive got a zerg of just pvp guild gms I can call in to deal with people at towns never mind their zergs and guilds.
Nah, what I got a problem with is these 1vxers and full zergs farming pve'er at towns. Like of course you can 1vx 10 pve'ers with 15k health in full divines. Im a dumpster fire of a player and I could do that. Its not that hard, you can force pulse spam them to death as roll in.
If they were trying to take the towns so they could do quests or something, ya that would be chill. There not tho, there not flipping anything. What really gets me is the full zergs trying to wreck noobs. Thats great.
And 1vx'ing as a thing entirely is just toxic asf, Noone actually 1vx's a group of skilled players. 1vx'ers just pick off groups of noobs that have no clue what there doing. Then brag that they killed 10 players that dont even know how to kite. Seriously go try that with an actual skilled group. They dont though, because they cant 1vx skilled players.
This entire pvp culture of lets just farm ap is absolutely disgusting. The core game play of cyro should be around taking and defending keeps not just sitting somewhere and farming players. You wanna do that go play deathmatch in bgs.
Darkenarlol wrote: »wow so PVEer says - yo pesky PVPers you are all toxic skilless scums because you kill me!
therefore go to BG so i won't see you while i farm quests in cyro!!
and by the way cyro should be not about killing players but about killing doors!!!
maybe we should add some raid bosses there and make it a no-pvp zone too?
lol OP is so funny
Ok first of I want to stay Im not the one getting farmed by these players in towns during this event. I dont play that game, I know better. Ive got a zerg of just pvp guild gms I can call in to deal with people at towns never mind their zergs and guilds.
Nah, what I got a problem with is these 1vxers and full zergs farming pve'er at towns. Like of course you can 1vx 10 pve'ers with 15k health in full divines. Im a dumpster fire of a player and I could do that. Its not that hard, you can force pulse spam them to death as roll in.
If they were trying to take the towns so they could do quests or something, ya that would be chill. There not tho, there not flipping anything. What really gets me is the full zergs trying to wreck noobs. Thats great.
And 1vx'ing as a thing entirely is just toxic asf, Noone actually 1vx's a group of skilled players. 1vx'ers just pick off groups of noobs that have no clue what there doing. Then brag that they killed 10 players that dont even know how to kite. Seriously go try that with an actual skilled group. They dont though, because they cant 1vx skilled players.
This entire pvp culture of lets just farm ap is absolutely disgusting. The core game play of cyro should be around taking and defending keeps not just sitting somewhere and farming players. You wanna do that go play deathmatch in bgs.
Darkenarlol wrote: »wow so PVEer says - yo pesky PVPers you are all toxic skilless scums because you kill me!
therefore go to BG so i won't see you while i farm quests in cyro!!
and by the way cyro should be not about killing players but about killing doors!!!
maybe we should add some raid bosses there and make it a no-pvp zone too?
lol OP is so funny
No what's funny is these so-called "PvPers" suck so much they have to gather in massive numbers and pick on lone players just trying to do quests. That's what is really funny here. And their attempts to defend it by claiming it's fair because it's a pvp zone is so laughably stupid you would have to have some kind of a __________ to actually believe it.
I say let's turn the tables and give these "PvErs" who are just trying to do quests massive buffs to where they are like one-man zergs. Then we can all have a good laugh while the so-called "PvPers" come here complaining about how unfair it is. The hypocrisy and amusement of watching them have to deal with their own medicine would be delicious.
It is also absolutely amazing to me to watch the same crowd that whines on a daily basis about "balance" and how even the slightest advantage in PvP means OMG THIS IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT NOW defend this practice of converging massive numbers on lone individuals just trying to do quests. Yeah... that is real balanced let me tell you. Just one more piece of evidence that they really don't give two _____ about "balance". They just want to be able to kill other people.
JumpmanLane wrote: »Darkenarlol wrote: »wow so PVEer says - yo pesky PVPers you are all toxic skilless scums because you kill me!
therefore go to BG so i won't see you while i farm quests in cyro!!
and by the way cyro should be not about killing players but about killing doors!!!
maybe we should add some raid bosses there and make it a no-pvp zone too?
lol OP is so funny
No what's funny is these so-called "PvPers" suck so much they have to gather in massive numbers and pick on lone players just trying to do quests. That's what is really funny here. And their attempts to defend it by claiming it's fair because it's a pvp zone is so laughably stupid you would have to have some kind of a __________ to actually believe it.
I say let's turn the tables and give these "PvErs" who are just trying to do quests massive buffs to where they are like one-man zergs. Then we can all have a good laugh while the so-called "PvPers" come here complaining about how unfair it is. The hypocrisy and amusement of watching them have to deal with their own medicine would be delicious.
It is also absolutely amazing to me to watch the same crowd that whines on a daily basis about "balance" and how even the slightest advantage in PvP means OMG THIS IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT NOW defend this practice of converging massive numbers on lone individuals just trying to do quests. Yeah... that is real balanced let me tell you. Just one more piece of evidence that they really don't give two _____ about "balance". They just want to be able to kill other people.
Awwwwwww
JumpmanLane wrote: »Darkenarlol wrote: »wow so PVEer says - yo pesky PVPers you are all toxic skilless scums because you kill me!
therefore go to BG so i won't see you while i farm quests in cyro!!
and by the way cyro should be not about killing players but about killing doors!!!
maybe we should add some raid bosses there and make it a no-pvp zone too?
lol OP is so funny
No what's funny is these so-called "PvPers" suck so much they have to gather in massive numbers and pick on lone players just trying to do quests. That's what is really funny here. And their attempts to defend it by claiming it's fair because it's a pvp zone is so laughably stupid you would have to have some kind of a __________ to actually believe it.
I say let's turn the tables and give these "PvErs" who are just trying to do quests massive buffs to where they are like one-man zergs. Then we can all have a good laugh while the so-called "PvPers" come here complaining about how unfair it is. The hypocrisy and amusement of watching them have to deal with their own medicine would be delicious.
It is also absolutely amazing to me to watch the same crowd that whines on a daily basis about "balance" and how even the slightest advantage in PvP means OMG THIS IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT NOW defend this practice of converging massive numbers on lone individuals just trying to do quests. Yeah... that is real balanced let me tell you. Just one more piece of evidence that they really don't give two _____ about "balance". They just want to be able to kill other people.
Awwwwwww
Real PvPers fight other PvPers. They like a challenge, They like an actual fight. They don't stalk towns in massive zergs or camp inside houses so they can slaughter defenseless questers who die in less than a second.
What I am describing here is not "PvP". It's pathetic bullying and trolling. End of story. And going "Awwwwww" doesn't change that. These people need to grow a spine and go fight people who can actually fight back instead of cowardly picking on the weak for their own sick amusement.
And what's a matter anyway? I thought "PvPers" liked "balance" so damn much? Doesn't look like it now does it...
They only like "balance" when it favors them - otherwise they could care less about it. If this event has proved anything, it's proven that. So I don't ever want to see another one of these stupid "NERF" threads again.
JumpmanLane wrote: »Darkenarlol wrote: »wow so PVEer says - yo pesky PVPers you are all toxic skilless scums because you kill me!
therefore go to BG so i won't see you while i farm quests in cyro!!
and by the way cyro should be not about killing players but about killing doors!!!
maybe we should add some raid bosses there and make it a no-pvp zone too?
lol OP is so funny
No what's funny is these so-called "PvPers" suck so much they have to gather in massive numbers and pick on lone players just trying to do quests. That's what is really funny here. And their attempts to defend it by claiming it's fair because it's a pvp zone is so laughably stupid you would have to have some kind of a __________ to actually believe it.
I say let's turn the tables and give these "PvErs" who are just trying to do quests massive buffs to where they are like one-man zergs. Then we can all have a good laugh while the so-called "PvPers" come here complaining about how unfair it is. The hypocrisy and amusement of watching them have to deal with their own medicine would be delicious.
It is also absolutely amazing to me to watch the same crowd that whines on a daily basis about "balance" and how even the slightest advantage in PvP means OMG THIS IS OVERPOWERED NERF IT NOW defend this practice of converging massive numbers on lone individuals just trying to do quests. Yeah... that is real balanced let me tell you. Just one more piece of evidence that they really don't give two _____ about "balance". They just want to be able to kill other people.
Awwwwwww
Real PvPers fight other PvPers. They like a challenge, They like an actual fight. They don't run around in massive zergs slaughtering defenseless questers who die in less than a second.
What I am describing here is not "PvP". It's pathetic bullying and trolling. End of story. And going "Awwwwww" doesn't change that. These people need to man up and go fight people who can actually fight back instead of cowardly picking on the weak for their own sick amusement.