It saddens me to see any of our three communities (PvE, PvP, Solo) berate each other - particularly with dismissive generalities. Since each comprise a significant portion of the game, the loss of any one group would cripple the game. I'm a solo PvE player but I don't begrudge PvP players or dungeon/trials runners the content that they enjoy. Just as I appreciate the bountiful solo PvE content that I enjoy.

Vietfox wrote: »

PvPers have to spend hundreds of hours on PvE in order to be a decent pvper while pvers just need 2 hours of zerg surfing in Cyro to get caltrops and vigor + the ocasional events.
Pvers: "Oh Zos why you force us to go to pvp zones??" So cute

This! And literally every other event is PvE based with the exception of midyear & IC.

What is sad is a few trolls dressed up as PvP'rs feel the need to hide near quest hubs and gank players that are just trying to turn in a quest. There is no benefit to it other than causing grief to others. It isn't PvP any more than killing a skeever is competing for the leader board in trials.

Quit acting like it is PvP and just be honest. You like to cause other people grief for no reason. The AP isn't good and you run and hide if someone shows up that might actually be able to last more than a second or two.

The PvP community is small enough, no need to chase away players who might try it again if they have a half decent experience during this event.

Danuviel is right most players are giving each other a pass around the quest hubs. It is just a few trolls wrecking what could otherwise be a good experience for players new to Cyrodiil. Hiding in a storeroom so three or four of you can stun a player turning in a quest and then kill them before they recover isn't PvP it is pathetic.

kargen27 wrote: »

What is sad is a few trolls dressed up as PvP'rs feel the need to hide near quest hubs and gank players that are just trying to turn in a quest. There is no benefit to it other than causing grief to others. It isn't PvP any more than killing a skeever is competing for the leader board in trials.

Quit acting like it is PvP and just be honest. You like to cause other people grief for no reason. The AP isn't good and you run and hide if someone shows up that might actually be able to last more than a second or two.

The PvP community is small enough, no need to chase away players who might try it again if they have a half decent experience during this event.

Danuviel is right most players are giving each other a pass around the quest hubs. It is just a few trolls wrecking what could otherwise be a good experience for players new to Cyrodiil. Hiding in a storeroom so three or four of you can stun a player turning in a quest and then kill them before they recover isn't PvP it is pathetic.

The real PVP players will of course agree with you. The ones defending this bs is just the greifing aholes that try to act like it's PVP. It isn't. It's nothing more than griefing end of story.

Commancho wrote: »

Tired of being killed in Cyrodiil while doing dailies? Adapt! Have you ever thought about speed /stealth builds?
Nope, you are lazy and you run your Alcast's copy-pasted build and you complain about being getting killed.

Have you thought about being stamblade vampire Orc wearing Coward's Gear & Jailbreaker, S&B?
How about petsorc vampire Breton using Prisoner's Rags & Necropotence and spamming Streak?

Swift jewelry? Speed potions? Steed mundus? CC immunity potions?
How they can kill you if they can't catch you? Or if they can't see you? Or both?!

So how about you come up with something more creative before you complain next time?
It will benefit you also after event - skyshards, quests, dailies etc. also exist in Cyrodiil.

Our PvPers should do the same since 90% of other people I see running around are often just using the same copy and paste youtube builds as eachother. Never thinking outside of the box, never building something unique or trying a good play style.

I.e the stamden zerg meta slaves.

I saw a bomb zerg yesterday and I was actually happy, it was refreshing not hearing steel tornado and sub assault constantly. Probably wont see another for months.

SkerKro wrote: »

"Fight your fellow players!"

I assume they mean on the forums.

Rikumaru wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Tired of being killed in Cyrodiil while doing dailies? Adapt! Have you ever thought about speed /stealth builds?
Nope, you are lazy and you run your Alcast's copy-pasted build and you complain about being getting killed.

Have you thought about being stamblade vampire Orc wearing Coward's Gear & Jailbreaker, S&B?
How about petsorc vampire Breton using Prisoner's Rags & Necropotence and spamming Streak?

Swift jewelry? Speed potions? Steed mundus? CC immunity potions?
How they can kill you if they can't catch you? Or if they can't see you? Or both?!

So how about you come up with something more creative before you complain next time?
It will benefit you also after event - skyshards, quests, dailies etc. also exist in Cyrodiil.

Our PvPers should do the same since 90% of other people I see running around are often just using the same copy and paste youtube builds as eachother. Never thinking outside of the box, never building something unique or trying a good play style.

I.e the stamden zerg meta slaves.

I saw a bomb zerg yesterday and I was actually happy, it was refreshing not hearing steel tornado and sub assault constantly. Probably wont see another for months.

Dunno what platform you play on but most of the players I know use their own builds.

PC.

The tears from the pve and pvp players are deliciously tasty

Keep complaining about having to do pve or pvp content to get X 😂😂😂

Aimora wrote: »

This is the worst event I don’t PvP and being forced to do it while people are just stood at the quest giver killing you over and over is not my idea of fun at all!

You can still get this week stile the last week of the event by doing pure pve stuff.
ZOS is not forcing anyone to do anything, you are forcing yourself into this

I don’t have a problem with going into a PVP zone to get event rewards and dealing with the risks associated, but it is kind of weird the way ZOS mixed PVP with PVE in Cyrodiil. The various quest givers in towns and the like provide no interest to pure PVP players. It’s mainly the battles centered around the control points on the map that provide them the rewards they are looking for. Certainly, the AP gained from town quests is miniscule.

In an event like this, it is easy to see the huge disparity in goals both groups have. Entering one campaign that was pop locked for yellow, with one or two bars on the red and blue sides, it was funny to see yellow dominating the three towns, with red dominating most of the rest of the map. I would argue that the large influx of undoubtedly yellow PVE oriented players was actually hurting the competitiveness of the main campaign.

With the upcoming separation of the Imperial City from the campaign, I could see ZOS taking this a bit further, and enabling a new PVE only campaign, with completely free zone travel and permanently neutral keeps, but zero AP rewards. Leave the remaining PVP campaigns free of unnecessary load from people contributing nothing to the PVP experience.

Having said that, I wish ZOS would come up with something a bit more interesting for the PVP community than the same five year old Cyrodiil campaign and the hit and miss battlegrounds. How about large scale goal oriented trials between rival factions, or ranked small scale battle arenas built into the various existing zones that other players could spectate and perhaps even bet on?

Gundug wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with going into a PVP zone to get event rewards and dealing with the risks associated, but it is kind of weird the way ZOS mixed PVP with PVE in Cyrodiil. The various quest givers in towns and the like provide no interest to pure PVP players. It’s mainly the battles centered around the control points on the map that provide them the rewards they are looking for. Certainly, the AP gained from town quests is miniscule.

In an event like this, it is easy to see the huge disparity in goals both groups have. Entering one campaign that was pop locked for yellow, with one or two bars on the red and blue sides, it was funny to see yellow dominating the three towns, with red dominating most of the rest of the map. I would argue that the large influx of undoubtedly yellow PVE oriented players was actually hurting the competitiveness of the main campaign.

With the upcoming separation of the Imperial City from the campaign, I could see ZOS taking this a bit further, and enabling a new PVE only campaign, with completely free zone travel and permanently neutral keeps, but zero AP rewards. Leave the remaining PVP campaigns free of unnecessary load from people contributing nothing to the PVP experience.

Having said that, I wish ZOS would come up with something a bit more interesting for the PVP community than the same five year old Cyrodiil campaign and the hit and miss battlegrounds. How about large scale goal oriented trials between rival factions, or ranked small scale battle arenas built into the various existing zones that other players could spectate and perhaps even bet on?

The way to think of it is like this: many PVP players would like to have open world PVP, that is, you don't just fight for specific goals, but rather any time, anywhere, you can wind up in a fight with another faction. The reason for PVE elements in Cyrodiil is to introduce this open world style (getting skyshards, completing quests to help people, running dolmens, etc) with an extra element of danger. This is ZoS' way of throwing them a bone: they can have that experience if they want, but it's kept in Cyrodiil so the rest of the players who don't want to be worried about getting knifed every moment of their game can actually enjoy themselves.

This is why, the moment I heard this was essentially "do town missions in Cyrodiil" I laughed, gave the screen the finger, and did something else. Open world PVP is not my thing; I'd join in sieges, but only if the rewards are worth it, and usually that's only during double AP. I did my time getting all the PVE Cyrodiil achievements once, didn't like it, and am not going through it again unless the rewards are better than a chance for a box containing 10 platinum grains and a Kuta. Open world PVP is different from siege PVP which is different from battleground PVP, and this event places the greatest emphasis on the first one, which is what is frustrating people.

The outcry, however, does go to show that ZoS has made the right call confining PVP to Cyrodiil and not allowing it to be part of any mechanics outside of it. A large number of players do not like doing PVE content while being at risk to attack by other players. It is true that players should expect it in Cyrodiil, even while doing PVE content, and it is also true that if given the opportunity, players will camp essential locations for easy kills or just do things deliberately to grief others.

So yes, everyone saying that entering Cyrodiil is taking your life into your hands is absolutely right.

And, it is also the reason PVP is never going to be allowed in the justice system, setting bounties on other players, or anything else that could allow the lowest common denominator to bring this poisonous experience into the rest of Tamriel.

Too much work. Why no white flag in crown store?

Gundug wrote: »

I don’t have a problem with going into a PVP zone to get event rewards and dealing with the risks associated, but it is kind of weird the way ZOS mixed PVP with PVE in Cyrodiil. The various quest givers in towns and the like provide no interest to pure PVP players. It’s mainly the battles centered around the control points on the map that provide them the rewards they are looking for. Certainly, the AP gained from town quests is miniscule.

In an event like this, it is easy to see the huge disparity in goals both groups have. Entering one campaign that was pop locked for yellow, with one or two bars on the red and blue sides, it was funny to see yellow dominating the three towns, with red dominating most of the rest of the map. I would argue that the large influx of undoubtedly yellow PVE oriented players was actually hurting the competitiveness of the main campaign.

With the upcoming separation of the Imperial City from the campaign, I could see ZOS taking this a bit further, and enabling a new PVE only campaign, with completely free zone travel and permanently neutral keeps, but zero AP rewards. Leave the remaining PVP campaigns free of unnecessary load from people contributing nothing to the PVP experience.

Having said that, I wish ZOS would come up with something a bit more interesting for the PVP community than the same five year old Cyrodiil campaign and the hit and miss battlegrounds. How about large scale goal oriented trials between rival factions, or ranked small scale battle arenas built into the various existing zones that other players could spectate and perhaps even bet on?

Love this idea