Great job ZoS!
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
It's called pvp for a reason. Do you expect us to hold their hand while they are doing quests or what?
They can either stay in the easy mode called pve or try to improve and be good at both pve and pvp.
Every pvper here has been absolutely destroyed the first days in Cyro, but that didn't stop them.
I don't expect you to do anything. i would hope that you wouldn't wait to attack until pve player doing a quest - is particularly vulnerable, or wait to kill them AFTER they grab a skyshard etc, but I don't expect it. not anymore. just explaining why so many people are turned off by pvp. and will be even more turned off when faced with the worst of the behaviorsVaranisArano wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
I never defended the elitist attitudes that some pve players exibit. in fact I have stated numerous times just how crappy they are for exactly the same reasons.
however. its not about burst. its about ganking people while they are in conversation with npc so they do not have TIME to defend themselves. its about waiting for just the absolute worst moment to attack someone and waste their time. its about deliberately trying to make someone's time in game worse and then shrugging it off with excuse "that's just pvp"
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
Seriously, who turns in quests to town NPCs outside of events? I've done it once. For the achievement.
I mean, I could see complaining about getting ganked off your mount, but outside of events the vast majority of players do PVP as usual, and that includes the gankers, who find better prey running behind the faction zerg from keep to keep.
I figure the actual reason is more like "There's an awful lot of PVEers who say they hate PVP, but not so much that they'll pass up the chance to get shiny reward boxes. Once the shiny reward boxes are gone, so are they."
Sort of like me and the Delves/WB dailies last week. Normally, I don't touch those with a ten foot pole. Last week? I typed "G", "CAAN" and "BK" along with everyone else in Summerset zone chat.
I may not be explaining right, or you may be deliberately being obtuse.
players who might be curious about pvp - venture into Cyrodill during event. face the jerks. and don't step foot into Cyrodill again, for ANYTHING. including sieges, etc.Edited by Linaleah on April 19, 2019 3:51AMdirty worthless casual.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
It's called pvp for a reason. Do you expect us to hold their hand while they are doing quests or what?
They can either stay in the easy mode called pve or try to improve and be good at both pve and pvp.
Every pvper here has been absolutely destroyed the first days in Cyro, but that didn't stop them.
I don't expect you to do anything. i would hope that you wouldn't wait to attack until pve player doing a quest - is particularly vulnerable, or wait to kill them AFTER they grab a skyshard etc, but I don't expect it. not anymore. just explaining why so many people are turned off by pvp. and will be even more turned off when faced with the worst of the behaviorsVaranisArano wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
I never defended the elitist attitudes that some pve players exibit. in fact I have stated numerous times just how crappy they are for exactly the same reasons.
however. its not about burst. its about ganking people while they are in conversation with npc so they do not have TIME to defend themselves. its about waiting for just the absolute worst moment to attack someone and waste their time. its about deliberately trying to make someone's time in game worse and then shrugging it off with excuse "that's just pvp"
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
Seriously, who turns in quests to town NPCs outside of events? I've done it once. For the achievement.
I mean, I could see complaining about getting ganked off your mount, but outside of events the vast majority of players do PVP as usual, and that includes the gankers, who find better prey running behind the faction zerg from keep to keep.
I figure the actual reason is more like "There's an awful lot of PVEers who say they hate PVP, but not so much that they'll pass up the chance to get shiny reward boxes. Once the shiny reward boxes are gone, so are they."
Sort of like me and the Delves/WB dailies last week. Normally, I don't touch those with a ten foot pole. Last week? I typed "G", "CAAN" and "BK" along with everyone else in Summerset zone chat.
I may not be explaining right, or you may be deliberately being obtuse.
players who might be curious about pvp - venture into Cyrodill during event. face the jerks. and don't step foot into Cyrodill again, for ANYTHING. including sieges, etc.
Ah, see, I had a very different experience.
I originally went into Cyrodiil for PVE reasons - Master Angler - and I did it with the assumption that I was in a PVP zone, everyone else was there for PVP, and that PVP would inevitably happen and I was going to get killed.
And yes, I was fishing, and I got ganked. Several times.
Its a PVP zone. PVP happened. I died. I rezzed up. I went back to fishing. Eventually, some time down the road, I came back to Cyrodiil for the PVP.
I really don't understand why someone would queue up for a PVP zone thinking that PVP isn't going to happen anywhere that's PVP enabled, which the towns, and the delves, and the skyshards are. I don't call PVPers jerks when they are PVPing in a PVP zone, and I try not to look down on people who play PVP in a different way than I do.
Its a PVP zone. There are no rules of engagement or proper etiquette to be followed in a questing town unless you impose that on yourself - and you can't impose that on others.5 -
Hippie4927✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
It's called pvp for a reason. Do you expect us to hold their hand while they are doing quests or what?
They can either stay in the easy mode called pve or try to improve and be good at both pve and pvp.
Every pvper here has been absolutely destroyed the first days in Cyro, but that didn't stop them.
I don't expect you to do anything. i would hope that you wouldn't wait to attack until pve player doing a quest - is particularly vulnerable, or wait to kill them AFTER they grab a skyshard etc, but I don't expect it. not anymore. just explaining why so many people are turned off by pvp. and will be even more turned off when faced with the worst of the behaviorsVaranisArano wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »you know... you'd think pvp players would take this as an opportunity to show pve players how FUN pvp could be, but nope. lets confirm every single bias pve players have and discourage them from ever joining again, thus thinning the ranks of potential pvpers even more.
sigh.
personaly just like during midyear mayhem, personaly I'm sticking to battlegrounds. at least those are over quickly and 2 out of 3 daily quests don't even require winning anything, so at least trolls ability to waste my time is greatly diminished.
In PVE you get kicked from a group if you can't do enough DPS or don't know boss mechanics yet on a fight. Well welcome to our world, where you will die if you do not know how to burst or survive.
Cheers!
I never defended the elitist attitudes that some pve players exibit. in fact I have stated numerous times just how crappy they are for exactly the same reasons.
however. its not about burst. its about ganking people while they are in conversation with npc so they do not have TIME to defend themselves. its about waiting for just the absolute worst moment to attack someone and waste their time. its about deliberately trying to make someone's time in game worse and then shrugging it off with excuse "that's just pvp"
YOU, people who do this - are the reason why there are so few people are going anywhere near Cyrodill outside of pvp events.
Seriously, who turns in quests to town NPCs outside of events? I've done it once. For the achievement.
I mean, I could see complaining about getting ganked off your mount, but outside of events the vast majority of players do PVP as usual, and that includes the gankers, who find better prey running behind the faction zerg from keep to keep.
I figure the actual reason is more like "There's an awful lot of PVEers who say they hate PVP, but not so much that they'll pass up the chance to get shiny reward boxes. Once the shiny reward boxes are gone, so are they."
Sort of like me and the Delves/WB dailies last week. Normally, I don't touch those with a ten foot pole. Last week? I typed "G", "CAAN" and "BK" along with everyone else in Summerset zone chat.
I may not be explaining right, or you may be deliberately being obtuse.
players who might be curious about pvp - venture into Cyrodill during event. face the jerks. and don't step foot into Cyrodill again, for ANYTHING. including sieges, etc.
Ah, see, I had a very different experience.
I originally went into Cyrodiil for PVE reasons - Master Angler - and I did it with the assumption that I was in a PVP zone, everyone else was there for PVP, and that PVP would inevitably happen and I was going to get killed.
And yes, I was fishing, and I got ganked. Several times.
Its a PVP zone. PVP happened. I died. I rezzed up. I went back to fishing. Eventually, some time down the road, I came back to Cyrodiil for the PVP.
I really don't understand why someone would queue up for a PVP zone thinking that PVP isn't going to happen anywhere that's PVP enabled, which the towns, and the delves, and the skyshards are. I don't call PVPers jerks when they are PVPing in a PVP zone, and I try not to look down on people who play PVP in a different way than I do.
Its a PVP zone. There are no rules of engagement or proper etiquette to be followed in a questing town unless you impose that on yourself - and you can't impose that on others.
^^So much this^^ I went to Cyrodiil the first time for the same reason......Master Angler. I was ganked a couple of times while fishing but it didn't stop me from going back and, eventually, I started venturing into other parts of the map and taking part in fighting for keeps. I realized it was fun and that dying wasn't the end of the world so I relaxed and went with it. This morning I did town quests. Got about 25 boxes and ganked twice. But I came back with reinforcements and we took out the ganker. Was fun!!PC/NA/EP ✌️2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Two different experiences yesterday. Early evening (EST) all three factions were represented around Chorrel. Everybody got along fine for the most part. A couple of DC attacked a EP but other DC jumped on them and asked them to stop because we didn't want a retaliation group to show up. One player said he would let a guild mate on an EP toon know that it was an isolated attack and those who did it agreed not to attack others. All was fine.
Late in the night (midnight EST) six EP started camping at Cropsford killing anybody that tried to turn in a quest there. Two would be out in the open and if they faced any real threat the others hiding nearby would join in. For a while a couple of them were hiding in the building where you turn in quests stunning people as they came through the door. Was always one staying hidden so if others died they could sneak back over and rez them. Was low population so they were able to pester other factions for a good hour or more before a couple of good PvP'rs popped them all.
The fun part is the two doing most the attacks would when they were rezz'd after a fight tea bag the player that killed them. They were hell on PvE'rs there for the event but would scatter like roaches when a light is turned on if any real competition showed up. When that happens it is best to just move on. Unfortunately for a couple of players that was the last hub they needed so didn't have a choice to move on. In the end one player would keep them occupied for a minute or two while others could sneak over to the quest givers and do what they needed to do.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Daedric_NB_187✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Its a PVP zone. There are no rules of engagement or proper etiquette to be followed in a questing town unless you impose that on yourself - and you can't impose that on others.
/thread
That's all that needs to be said.
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✭✭✭taco_suave wrote: »Maybe if the PVE community weren't always such *** to pvp'ers, they wouldn't be grinding you up like sausage right now. Karma is a B.
Per the logic of PvPers right now, maybe if y'all would git gud you wouldn't be kicked from groups.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »taco_suave wrote: »Maybe if the PVE community weren't always such *** to pvp'ers, they wouldn't be grinding you up like sausage right now. Karma is a B.
Per the logic of PvPers right now, maybe if y'all would git gud you wouldn't be kicked from groups.
(I don't kick though)
Meh, that's pretty much it.
As a PVPer who also does a fair bit of dungeons, I'll be honest:
If you queue up for a dungeon, you ought to be prepared to fulfill your role.
If you queue up for a PVP zone, you ought to be prepared for PVP to happen.
If you don't prepare, don't complain when the inevitable happens.0 -
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✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »*yawns*
These threads are becoming tiresome! If you don't like PVP, just skip this week's event. Use your event tickets to buy style pieces, if that's what you are after.
And just so you know........I am mostly a solo PVE'er but I believe that when you go to Cyrodiil for anything, you should be prepared to fight or die. Cyrodiil can be fun as long as you don't take getting killed personally.
Tell me you are not serious. Please.
14 tickets a week. 1 berry takes 10. That leaves 4 tickets for the week, not even enough to purchase 1 page.
Once again the devs show they are completely clueless. Screw PvP.
oh no, they are anything but clueless. notice the tickets sold in crown store? yep.
I was mentioning they were clueless because like almost every MMO out there they are convinced that forcing people into a playstyle is going to work, it never does. The vast majority of PvErs don't want to have anything to do with PvP, forcing them to PvP to obtain some reward is never going to entice them to play that part of the game, on the contrary it will only validate their hate. The same applies to PvPers who just want to spend their time in Cyro/BGs.
The whole event should have been designed as Week #5, especially for something like an anniversary. Do whatever you like/want, get rewards.
PVPers are forced to PVE for monster sets....unless they want to wait for the gold vendor to eventually sell what they need. What's the difference?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭90% pve myself and this event is way easier to farm than the boss and delve one.
Go with an group of go in off hours. Did 20 quests this morning, did not see any enemy players.
Select an campaign your alliance dominate and don't go to enemy towns that is pvp
Do this on multiple alts.
Yes you can take and dominate town with an group but again that is pvp so expect the enemy to fight back.
Week 4 will be the hard one only 3 pledges and an weekly trial on each character and dungeons takes time.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
