Dear ZOS; Why are there bugs that were a thing since beta.. still present?

ItsNebula · April 2019

rynth wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

If you have issues there is always an uninstall button. You little kids keep complaining about stuff I’m pretty sure have no idea how a huge MMO like ESO runs or ability fix bugs. So either you live with it and accept fact they know there are issues and are working on them. Or be and adult and just leave if you can’t handle it. You have to be a real special kinda of stupid if you think bugs and errors in a large MMO are easy to fix especially when you can’t take server down for a large amount of time. Cause lord knows if they take server down for any amount of time you all start bitching about it. GROW UP

guarantee you, if i was a professional programmer.. it wont take me 5+ years to fix ONE bug.

And i have clicked that uninstall button.. havent touched ESO in half a year.. half a year later.. those bugs from beta still exist. Game just gets worse and worse with every update. Guarantee you ESO is only coming back in numbers because of the Necro class. It was slowly dropping at a steady pace until Necro was announced + dragons.

Well your not a professional coder so your statement is pretty dumb say it wouldn’t take you this long on bugs sense you have no basis back it up. Lol If I was a professional doctor I’d cure all diseases out there wouldn’t take this long find cute lol

ESO only coming back because of necro class really id like to see those numbers and facts backing that statement your throwing out there. And if you uninstalled and coming back after you paid for the new expansion for the class why heck are you complaining about bugs you originally quit from? I mean heck you’ve just paid them money for expansion your going to complain about having issues since launch? That’s pretty dumb.

As for players you mentioned I’ve never heard of them. That make them any less famous? Lots of players have come and gone for whatever reason nature of MMO ‘s and games in general. Heck I could name players too that mean you going to know them or that they represent the player base no it doesn’t.

So pretty much in the end all you are doing is complaining perhaps you should just uninstall again and find a game that better suits you

You’re comparing coding to being doctor 😂😂 do you know how stupid that makes you sound?
And if you dont know the players I mention, you haven’t been apart of the community long enough to have seen them, or you don’t pay attention to the streaming side of ESO.
And did I say I paid for the next expansion? 😂🤦🏽‍♂️ Only reason I’m back on ESO is because a few of my good friends missed 2-4vXing with me, and my builds for PvP.
ESO is the only MMO with a decent PvP player base for open world PvP where you can 1vX.

Narvuntien · April 2019

They straight up have no idea how to fix it obviously. They would if they could. Perhaps it is the engine or whatever they did to make the engine work in that case they can't change the engine now its too late, they can't fix it.

Huyen · April 2019

No ETA

starkerealm · April 2019

Smasherx74 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

>claims there are multiple bugs.
>doesn't say what the bugs are.

>Unarmed with Shield/OneHander on Offhand breaks unarmed animation

Unarmed is still not a supported playstyle. If you're carrying a shield, you're not really unarmed.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

>Disabling UI also disables controller inputs specifically the interact button (been a bug since they gave us gamepad UI)

Controller UI didn't exist in beta.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

>The skeleton mini boss that comes out after activating the pillars in one of the dungeons still causes people to walk out of bounds when his fear effect takes place.

Not 100% sure which encounter you're referring to, but if that's vCoH, vCoH was added post-launch, so, you know, not a bug that dates back to beta.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

>Random running on your horses back

First popped up sometime around Imperial City or Wrothgar. Not game breaking, not particularly problematic, just amusing. But, it also doesn't date back to beta.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

>Animations stop displaying mid-combat sometimes (especially in PVE)

Not sure what you're talking about. If you mean enemies dying while still standing up, or in the air, that one might date back to beta, but I don't remember seeing it before 2016, maybe not even that early.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

These are the bugs I can think of since beta. Here are a few changes they made that were IMO downgrades since beta.

Don't care. You promised us a list of bugs that date back to the beta, you gave us a list of bugs that began post-launch or are too vague to source or identify.

Casterial · April 2019

You fix one bug, create hundreds. Game development is not easy.... This combat bug though, it was fixed multiple times.

starkerealm · April 2019

ItsNebula wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

If you have issues there is always an uninstall button. You little kids keep complaining about stuff I’m pretty sure have no idea how a huge MMO like ESO runs or ability fix bugs. So either you live with it and accept fact they know there are issues and are working on them. Or be and adult and just leave if you can’t handle it. You have to be a real special kinda of stupid if you think bugs and errors in a large MMO are easy to fix especially when you can’t take server down for a large amount of time. Cause lord knows if they take server down for any amount of time you all start bitching about it. GROW UP

Mhm WoW is even bigger but game breaking bugs was fixed within hours or days, not months/years. What about things like Shadowy Image and Undo bugged - ZOS only once said some blurry things about image few months ago and since then nothing happens. These skills have influence directly on combat but still ZOS pretends there is no issue with them.

Stuck in combat bug is mostly convenience bug, but there are things like I mentioned above that have influence on combat flow, things like that can't wait years for getting fixed.

Also they don't do testing and bug fixing on live server, that would be suicide, they wouldn't be able to work on updates and DLC and so on, so it's you who clearly have no idea how things are done. ZOS as a game dev shows lack of experience, they want to work but they don't know how.

In other words, if I would buy a service from IT company and they would work like ZOS does, they would be fired after few months. If things are to hard to fix for them, maybe they should use outsourcing services to hire someone who actually knows how to code.

there is by far a huge difference between this game and WoW graphics, sound, environment, animation, etc. so comparing the two is like comparing Baseball and football. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of WoW players that have left the game that would argue with you on what you have to say about bugs fixed within hours or days.

Yes, things can wait years guess what your still here many other players are still here and will continue to be here I'm sure for a long while.

Of course they have their own test server, but what happens on one doesn't necessarily means it transitions to the live public server correctly or acts way it was tested for. I'm sorry not pointing that out in the first post that is my bad. I just figured you would be smart enough to pickup on that.

The thing is. the players that actually had a name in the community and realllyyy helped get ESO out there, no longer play ESO.
Kodi? Gone.
Sypher? Gone.
King Richard? Gone.
Fengrush? Eh, he was gone for a while.
Howiekier? (Had highest StamBlade parse at one time) Gone.
*2 others that mained Nightblade but i cant remember there names, very skilled and well known PvPers*

Only big names i can think of that play ESO more than 2-3 times a week, is Fengrush and Dottzgaming. Thats it.

You missed @Deltia, he left to open a gym.

But, I mean, @Alcast isn't a big name? Cool. Didn't know that.

Also, there are a lot of big names kicking around. If you want to see someone do improbable things with a stamblade now, maybe @Gandork is your man?

Casterial · April 2019

ItsNebula wrote: »

The thing is. the players that actually had a name in the community and realllyyy helped get ESO out there, no longer play ESO.
Kodi? Gone.
Sypher? Gone.
King Richard? Gone.
Fengrush? Eh, he was gone for a while.
Howiekier? (Had highest StamBlade parse at one time) Gone.
*2 others that mained Nightblade but i cant remember there names, very skilled and well known PvPers*

Only big names i can think of that play ESO more than 2-3 times a week, is Fengrush and Dottzgaming. Thats it.

and the names said above, while big, still they all grew through ESO, people just need to step up.

todokete · April 2019

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

starkerealm · April 2019

Casterial wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

The thing is. the players that actually had a name in the community and realllyyy helped get ESO out there, no longer play ESO.
Kodi? Gone.
Sypher? Gone.
King Richard? Gone.
Fengrush? Eh, he was gone for a while.
Howiekier? (Had highest StamBlade parse at one time) Gone.
*2 others that mained Nightblade but i cant remember there names, very skilled and well known PvPers*

Only big names i can think of that play ESO more than 2-3 times a week, is Fengrush and Dottzgaming. Thats it.

and the names said above, while big, still they all grew through ESO, people just need to step up.

Tech and Junk, Kyle Dempster Studios, @xynode, Classy Katie, @Ninja614, @milkviper, @Shimmer, @MissBizz, Bert Ferkins, @Casual_Ranger, and @Inklings, all come to mind as big names in the community right now. Not all of them are on the boards here. But, they're all working to build the community. So, the names have changed, sometimes dramatically, but the content, and help to new players, is still coming.

Casterial · April 2019

todokete wrote: »

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

This is true for 99.99% of games, when I was working on mobile games we'd fix an issue and undo a lot trying to fix an issue, then we'd have to revisit.

starkerealm · April 2019

Casterial wrote: »

todokete wrote: »

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

This is true for 99.99% of games, when I was working on mobile games we'd fix an issue and undo a lot trying to fix an issue, then we'd have to revisit.

; module works, we're not sure why, we don't know how, but it does, DO NOT TOUCH!

Casterial · April 2019

starkerealm wrote: »
Casterial wrote: »

todokete wrote: »

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

This is true for 99.99% of games, when I was working on mobile games we'd fix an issue and undo a lot trying to fix an issue, then we'd have to revisit.
; module works, we're not sure why, we don't know how, but it does, DO NOT TOUCH!

Yup I actually have code left in my game that says

--Not too sure why it works, but it does, revisit sometime later?

Been in the code for like... 4months now haha

todokete · April 2019

Casterial wrote: »

todokete wrote: »

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

This is true for 99.99% of games, when I was working on mobile games we'd fix an issue and undo a lot trying to fix an issue, then we'd have to revisit.

ESO isn't a mobile game. FFXIV doesn't have this issue. GW2 doesn't have this issue. Fix means fix. Not put a bandaid until next patch

starkerealm · April 2019

Casterial wrote: »
starkerealm wrote: »
Casterial wrote: »

todokete wrote: »

A lot of bugs come back. That's why I can't get myself to keep playing.

This is true for 99.99% of games, when I was working on mobile games we'd fix an issue and undo a lot trying to fix an issue, then we'd have to revisit.
; module works, we're not sure why, we don't know how, but it does, DO NOT TOUCH!
Yup I actually have code left in my game that says
--Not too sure why it works, but it does, revisit sometime later?
Been in the code for like... 4months now haha

I also remember turning in a program to an instructor when I was in college. The printer function did not work at all. Straight up, something about it didn't function. No one in the group could figure out why it wouldn't work, and because the project called for a printout of the code, the instructor never learned about it. (Or at least didn't grade us down for it.)

thedovahmon · April 2019

Different dev or not. It ain't a Bethesda game without bugs. It's a time-honored tradition.

todokete · April 2019

Group finder ain't working

kargen27 · April 2019

ItsNebula wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

>claims there are multiple bugs.
>doesn't say what the bugs are.

i think you must be illiterate.
If you actually read the post, you would see what bug i find the MOST frustrating.

Since you want specifics..
Cant mount in combat when you havent seen a soul in 10+ mins
Not being able to cast skills for 2-3 seconds after being CC'd
Abilities being grayed out
3 bugs that ive personally noticed within the past week, and also noticed 5 years ago in beta.

Same symptom doesn't mean same bug.

WeerW3ir · April 2019

ItsNebula wrote: »

Title says it all.. the most common and by far the most frustrating one?
"Cant mount while in combat"
Before i posted this.. i was at Alessia farm.. just finished up a quick 1v2.. i start running up.. i pass Sejanus.. still cant mount because im in combat.. haven't seen no one..
i run up to BRK.. still in combat.. still cant mount.. i run up to Bleakers.. roughly 10-15mins later because im on a mag toon and can only sprint so much.. still cant mount.. still in combat..
i finally die to a zerg only for this process to happen one more time before i made this post.

Funny thing is? I remember this bug being well known in the beta.. well known in the first, and second, and third, and fourth, fifth etc DLC, Morrowind and Summerset chapters.. why hasn't this been fixed yet ZOS? Im really thinking about taking up a programming degree to come and help you guys fix such a simple, yet frustrating bug. I mean.. fixing a stuck in combat bug cant be THAT hard.. especially if that hasnt been a thing in WoW and its been out since 04'.

Sad thing is.. this isnt the only bug thats been here since Beta.

Edit; Grammar fixes.

Bugs? What bugs? 'Scuse me but i have to correct you out. You mean the FEATURES. dont you?

fastolfv_ESO · April 2019

too many making excues for zos, its been 5 years for some of these bugs there is no valid excuse for why mail doesnt work until you zone etc especially if the game suffered said issue b4 release

Mojmir · April 2019

doesnt matter how long its been in the game, fix the bugs,pretty fkn please,with sugar on top.

ItsNebula · April 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

If you have issues there is always an uninstall button. You little kids keep complaining about stuff I’m pretty sure have no idea how a huge MMO like ESO runs or ability fix bugs. So either you live with it and accept fact they know there are issues and are working on them. Or be and adult and just leave if you can’t handle it. You have to be a real special kinda of stupid if you think bugs and errors in a large MMO are easy to fix especially when you can’t take server down for a large amount of time. Cause lord knows if they take server down for any amount of time you all start bitching about it. GROW UP

Mhm WoW is even bigger but game breaking bugs was fixed within hours or days, not months/years. What about things like Shadowy Image and Undo bugged - ZOS only once said some blurry things about image few months ago and since then nothing happens. These skills have influence directly on combat but still ZOS pretends there is no issue with them.

Stuck in combat bug is mostly convenience bug, but there are things like I mentioned above that have influence on combat flow, things like that can't wait years for getting fixed.

Also they don't do testing and bug fixing on live server, that would be suicide, they wouldn't be able to work on updates and DLC and so on, so it's you who clearly have no idea how things are done. ZOS as a game dev shows lack of experience, they want to work but they don't know how.

In other words, if I would buy a service from IT company and they would work like ZOS does, they would be fired after few months. If things are to hard to fix for them, maybe they should use outsourcing services to hire someone who actually knows how to code.

there is by far a huge difference between this game and WoW graphics, sound, environment, animation, etc. so comparing the two is like comparing Baseball and football. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of WoW players that have left the game that would argue with you on what you have to say about bugs fixed within hours or days.

Yes, things can wait years guess what your still here many other players are still here and will continue to be here I'm sure for a long while.

Of course they have their own test server, but what happens on one doesn't necessarily means it transitions to the live public server correctly or acts way it was tested for. I'm sorry not pointing that out in the first post that is my bad. I just figured you would be smart enough to pickup on that.

The thing is. the players that actually had a name in the community and realllyyy helped get ESO out there, no longer play ESO.
Kodi? Gone.
Sypher? Gone.
King Richard? Gone.
Fengrush? Eh, he was gone for a while.
Howiekier? (Had highest StamBlade parse at one time) Gone.
*2 others that mained Nightblade but i cant remember there names, very skilled and well known PvPers*

Only big names i can think of that play ESO more than 2-3 times a week, is Fengrush and Dottzgaming. Thats it.

You missed @Deltia, he left to open a gym.

But, I mean, @Alcast isn't a big name? Cool. Didn't know that.

Also, there are a lot of big names kicking around. If you want to see someone do improbable things with a stamblade now, maybe @Gandork is your man?

I hardly ever hear about Alcast and i hardly ever see him stream and when i do its not ESO.
And thats right i did forget about Deltia, another name that quite the game, who also knows the game doesnt have a bright future with the current dev team