The BG MMR system is laugh-worthy

Alucardo · April 2019

I really don't understand it. Cyrodiil was getting boring, so I decided to queue for some battlegrounds. Went in there on a Khajiit stam sorc with a jank build and purple gear, so I wasn't expecting much. We absolutely stomped the first match, so I thought it was just a glitch and queued again.. this time I was up against CP100+ and even a CP30.
Now I don't consider myself a great player, probably average, but this was a joke. I didn't have fun, and I'm sure as hell they didn't either. Not a single round of BGs I had today was balanced. Not one.
Don't believe me? Here, watch me stomp some new players. It will remain unlisted because it's embarrassing.

https://youtu.be/z7KZd6cRng0

The only time I died was when my dark deal got interrupted by crushing shock (thanks for making sure a ranged spammable can interrupt my healing and resource return btw).

Please ZOS, fix the matches so we can all have fun. I don't care if I have to wait longer, but I don't want to be the reason people quit because they are getting steam rolled by those who have been playing the game for 4+ years.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love BGs, and when you find a balanced match it can be a blast. But today has not been that at all.

Thanks.

AtAfternoon · April 2019

There's a MMR system?

Huyen · April 2019

AtAfternoon wrote: »

There's a MMR system?

What he said...

Sp1dHQ · April 2019

Mb you didnt play for a long time and your MMR resetted, so now you have to play with low mmr players, probably after 10 games you will start facing stronger enemies

Alucardo · April 2019

AtAfternoon wrote: »

There's a MMR system?

Lol I thought so, but now I'm not so sure

Alucardo · April 2019

Sp1dHQ wrote: »

Mb you didnt play for a long time and your MMR resetted, so now you have to play with low mmr players, probably after 10 games you will start facing stronger enemies

I did a bunch of BGs on my DK not so long ago, so I'm not sure that's the issue. Does it actually reset after a time?

kringled_1 · April 2019

I've been told it's character specific, not account wide.

Alucardo · April 2019

kringled_1 wrote: »

I've been told it's character specific, not account wide.

I was told it was account wide, which would make sense. Just because you switch characters doesn't mean you've lost the ability to play as well as you did before, nor do you forget the maps and strategies.
But if it was character specific that might solve the mystery, as I haven't really participated in BGs as much on my stam sorc as I have others.

kylewwefan · April 2019

They throw you a bone for your first couple matches on a new toon. Then your mmr starts getting better and you fight tougher players and complain for different reasons.

Just wait until you get death match taking the whole 15 minutes cause everyone is really good. Feels like you can’t kill nothing. Sure tf ain’t steam rolling anyone.

Also I think it depends on who’s on and available to play; are you que random, or specific; premade partial or full etc.

siddique · April 2019

If you are on PS4NA, maybe we will meet in BGs one day and your death wish will be honored.

Urvoth · April 2019

If you haven't played many BGs on that char your MMR will be low, so you'll be facing a much broader selection of opponents who could range from complete noobs to PvP mains who nearly exclusively play Cyrodiil. As you play/win more, your MMR will become increasingly adjusted and you'll end up having much more balanced matches. That should continue till you hit the high end of MMR where you face a selection of the same 50-100 tryhards each game, and you get to experience the quality gameplay known as jumping around a wayshrine waiting for your 30 minute queue to pop.

Alucardo · April 2019

Thanks for the info guys. So it sounds like everyone is of the opinion that MMR is based on your character, not account. I wish we had some more details on it officially from ZOS so we know what to expect.
I understand that it's a hidden MMR, but I'd still like to know how it works, and why I sometimes run into groups like the ones in the OP, and sometimes harder opponents.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2019

why do people talk about MMR in this game when there IS NO SUCH THING?

Nevasca · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

I've been told it's character specific, not account wide.

I was told it was account wide, which would make sense. Just because you switch characters doesn't mean you've lost the ability to play as well as you did before, nor do you forget the maps and strategies.
But if it was character specific that might solve the mystery, as I haven't really participated in BGs as much on my stam sorc as I have others.

It's per character. I pretty much only play with one character, and on the rare occasions I play with others, the average player skill on BGs is night and day.

And it does make sense, just because you know to play Stamblade, doesn't mean you know how to play Magplar. But I get what you mean - The base MMR from new chars should be a bit higher, it makes no sense to against people who are not even 160cp.

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

There is an MMR. It's different on all chars and is based on how many BG's that char has done.

That is what I've been told and it somewhat rings true.

Edit: So it's not a Match Making Rating but it is a Match Making System. It doesn't care about win/loss.

Alucardo · April 2019

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

I've been told it's character specific, not account wide.

I was told it was account wide, which would make sense. Just because you switch characters doesn't mean you've lost the ability to play as well as you did before, nor do you forget the maps and strategies.
But if it was character specific that might solve the mystery, as I haven't really participated in BGs as much on my stam sorc as I have others.

It's per character. I pretty much only play with one character, and on the rare occasions I play with others, the average player skill on BGs is night and day.

And it does make sense, just because you know to play Stamblade, doesn't mean you know how to play Magplar. But I get what you mean - The base MMR from new chars should be a bit higher, it makes no sense to against people who are not even 160cp.

Cool, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I agree the base MMR should be higher if you've been around the block for a while. Just because it's a new character to BGs doesn't mean you haven't spent hundreds of hours in Cyrodiil with it. This char was actually the very first one I ever created, but I just haven't been into BGs with him much.

Alucardo · April 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

There is an MMR. It's different on all chars and is based on how many BG's that char has done.

That is what I've been told and it somewhat rings true.

Edit: So it's not a Match Making Rating but it is a Match Making System. It doesn't care about win/loss.

I think I believe it too. I'll play a few more matches and see how it pans out. Thanks also for clarifying about the character based situation.

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

There is an MMR. It's different on all chars and is based on how many BG's that char has done.

That is what I've been told and it somewhat rings true.

Edit: So it's not a Match Making Rating but it is a Match Making System. It doesn't care about win/loss.

I think I believe it too. I'll play a few more matches and see how it pans out. Thanks also for clarifying about the character based situation.

I wrobelstomped my way up with my StamDK recently. Not kidding it was child's play for first 10 matches, started getting more competitive after that but it's still daft even though I'm pugging it 30+ matches in.

Did you try the Green Pact/Briarheart/TK build I linked you yet? It's ridic on stam sorc in no CP xD

Tonnopesce · April 2019

On the low level bg i think it is a system to select players.
I've levelled my fresh stam dk only with bg douring this two weeks and i was always placed in the same level range as me with maybe two exceptions in every bg (extremly low or hig level players)

Alucardo · April 2019

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

There is an MMR. It's different on all chars and is based on how many BG's that char has done.

That is what I've been told and it somewhat rings true.

Edit: So it's not a Match Making Rating but it is a Match Making System. It doesn't care about win/loss.

I think I believe it too. I'll play a few more matches and see how it pans out. Thanks also for clarifying about the character based situation.

I wrobelstomped my way up with my StamDK recently. Not kidding it was child's play for first 10 matches, started getting more competitive after that but it's still daft even though I'm pugging it 30+ matches in.

Did you try the Green Pact/Briarheart/TK build I linked you yet? It's ridic on stam sorc in no CP xD

Oddly enough I feel like my stam dk received some more balanced matches from the beginning.. still kinda low, but not as bad as this was xD

Nah I haven't tried that yet, but it sounds disgusting! Not sure I could sustain in that tbh. I'm using battlefield acrobat atm and I'm dark dealing like 500 times per match

WillhelmBlack · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

There is an MMR. It's different on all chars and is based on how many BG's that char has done.

That is what I've been told and it somewhat rings true.

Edit: So it's not a Match Making Rating but it is a Match Making System. It doesn't care about win/loss.

I think I believe it too. I'll play a few more matches and see how it pans out. Thanks also for clarifying about the character based situation.

I wrobelstomped my way up with my StamDK recently. Not kidding it was child's play for first 10 matches, started getting more competitive after that but it's still daft even though I'm pugging it 30+ matches in.

Did you try the Green Pact/Briarheart/TK build I linked you yet? It's ridic on stam sorc in no CP xD

Oddly enough I feel like my stam dk received some more balanced matches from the beginning.. still kinda low, but not as bad as this was xD

Nah I haven't tried that yet, but it sounds disgusting! Not sure I could sustain in that tbh. I'm using battlefield acrobat atm and I'm dark dealing like 500 times per match

Sustain comes from Green Pact and candied jester coins. There's other OP foods out there to go with it if you sick of dark dealing.

DivineFirstYOLO · April 2019

No man it's not account wide, when Morrowind and Warden was release I was tryharding with it in BGs. I stopped playing it when they removed the AOE frost dmg from Arctic Blast. I'd say around 3 months ago I started playing this char again, got into a game within 10 seconds (low MMR game for sure). Nowadays I have to wait 15 mins again. After about 15 mins the system either mixes you with complete randoms or with lower MMR players (not exactly sure).

You obviously know how to play, do 20-30 games and you will end up in high MMR matches again. Have fun :-)

Alucardo · April 2019

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

No man it's not account wide, when Morrowind and Warden was release I was tryharding with it in BGs. I stopped playing it when they removed the AOE frost dmg from Arctic Blast. I'd say around 3 months ago I started playing this char again, got into a game within 10 seconds (low MMR game for sure). Nowadays I have to wait 15 mins again. After about 15 mins the system either mixes you with complete randoms or with lower MMR players (not exactly sure).

You obviously know how to play, do 20-30 games and you will end up in high MMR matches again. Have fun :-)

Cheers, I appreciate the information! Aye I'll keep slogging away and see if I can find myself some more balanced matches. Perhaps I just suck on the stam dk which is why I thought I was getting tougher matches compared to the stam sorc :-D
But yeah, I was nearly ready to not go back in there again until I got confirmation it's account based here. Hell, I won't even attack lowbies in Cyrodiil. It's like finding a stray kitten and punting it like a football.