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Nightblades got gutted
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Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »Sadly the inadequacies of some PVP players ruin the game for everybody, even those of us who only PVE. It is a strange mindset, to lose a battle and blame everything except yourself.
Clearly, these people have deep rooted real world issues.
This is normal in 2019. This is how young people operate now. This is how they see the world. It's not just ingame.
Eh, this is how pvp complaining went 10-15 years ago on the WoW forums, too. Nothing new in the MMO/PvP world.
"If it beats me, it's OP and needs to be nerfed. If I can beat it, they need to l2p."
Part of why I wish MMOs would separate PvE and PvP balance. Constantly getting your PvE abilities screwed over because of fruitless attempts at PvP "balance" is really annoying.13 -
Hotel6✭✭✭they butchered surprise attack + steel tornado. so they basically gutted the stamblades aswell... I got AY recently and playing end game stamblade was so fun but no more
Atleast my magdk will be a beast LOL. 0 -
miteba✭✭✭✭It is without question a 'big" nerf to nightblades, but it was somehow expected since all other classes have been heavily gutted in recent past aswell (obvious exception of wardens, which are the most recent class).
So these changes go in line with other recent devs decisions... and to balance the nightblade class with the other classes, although imo magblades will suffer even more, when they already were in a bad spot.
Like someone else always says when others were nerfed: adapt!
Edited by miteba on April 16, 2019 3:32PM0 -
Kemenril✭✭✭I'm still struggling to understand some of the NB nerfs. A couple really stand out as head-scratchers.
The Aspect of Terror changes are just straight silly. It's an under-used skill and is now just a dead line on a skill tree. But Mass Hysteria...you'd be a drooling idiot to take it now. No minor maim essentially means it's just a highly-resistable root, because targets don't flee. Previously, having the chance of applying two or three statuses made it worth the risk. Increasing the number of targets is very, very situational and essentially PvE only. So a big magicka dump for a low success chance and what success you DO get is now substantially less worth it. 0/10 Guars Up
Grim Focus...I mean...what can you even say about this? Set aside the loss of Minor Berzerk, which was the ENTIRE POINT of a light-attack-based backbar skill. No, my favourite thing is now that it's a half-assed HEALING skill?! Oh, it gets better: a "bonus" heal to a RANGED skill (bow) if you're using it in melee range (7 metres). Chew on that for a bloody second and decide if that makes a lick of sense to you.
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not gutted at all...
There is no need to be too dramatic about nothing.
I bet most didn't even test the changes on PTS, just read the patch notes and went nuclear.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Not gutted at all...
There is no need to be too dramatic about nothing.
I bet most didn't even test the changes on PTS, just read the patch notes and went nuclear.
I have nightblade tank way before the burst heal existed. Nightblade tank does not work without that burst heal.
I have also tested it recently without placumg the burst heal on my bar.
It does not work.
The test was in vet cloudrest and VHOF.2 -
moonsugar66✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Eh, this is how pvp complaining went 10-15 years ago on the WoW forums, too. Nothing new in the MMO/PvP world.
"If it beats me, it's OP and needs to be nerfed. If I can beat it, they need to l2p."
This loathing of the rogue class in PVP - I’ve seen it in more than just WoW. For me, the whining goes way back to Dark Age Of Camelot. Includes other games like Warhammer Online and GW2.
The old “visy” vs “stealthy” war.
Of course, since more players roll with the visible classes they have a more prominent voice in forums. They’ve had an easier time winning the devs favor. The people who call rogue players “cowards” are such hypocrites as I’ve seen them mow down some rogue types with their blobs, raids, battle groups, skirmish teams...
The rogue class is despised (by design) because it’s power comes primarily from SINGLE target damage, bursting from the shadows. Well how the f*ck else is it suppose to stand out (or up) against all the flame throwing, hammer down clustering, healy shield spamming mobs that dominate pvp?
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Hotel6✭✭✭What frustates me is that it has HUGE impact pve wise... steel torando + surprise attack + food got butchered5
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not gutted at all...
There is no need to be too dramatic about nothing.
I bet most didn't even test the changes on PTS, just read the patch notes and went nuclear.
I have nightblade tank way before the burst heal existed. Nightblade tank does not work without that burst heal.
I have also tested it recently without placumg the burst heal on my bar.
It does not work.
The test was in vet cloudrest and VHOF.
I posted "most".
It's good that you tested the changes.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭Honestly what blows my mind is all the hostile trolls cheering and calling for even more nerfs. When sorcs got that patch note with the 1 second cast time on shields, I as a nightblade main came to their defense. I hate seeing a class gutted whether I main it or not.
It blows my mind that wardens get major fracture on an aoe that hits just as hard as surprise attack and yet we get the nerf.
I'm seeing a pattern of catering to the forum whiners. Devs need to grow a pair. What you have here is a new combat lead trying to make the majority of people on the forums happy. They could care less about balance.
II Blinkin II
Xbox 1 NA
"A man without the sauce is lost, but the same man can become lost in the sauce."15 -
Dalsinthus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Honestly what blows my mind is all the hostile trolls cheering and calling for even more nerfs.
The NB hate here is strong. I'm kind of amazed by it.
I play all 5 classes and will just switch which class I play if I don't like how my NB feels this next patch. I don't enjoy seeing my stamblade nerfed like this, but I certainly have plenty of other options.
IDK what people are talking about with the supposed stamblade dominance in PVP. I'm in Cyrodiil almost every night and I fight at least 10 stamdens and tanky templars for every nightblade I encounter. Even DKs are way more common. One detect pot and it is usually game over for the nb. They're mostly easy kills these days in Cyrodiil. Now and again you will find a good one that is a challenge to fight but those are uncommon compared to a few years ago.
For endgame PVE I agree that some adjustment was needed to bring stamblades down a bit. The changes feel pretty heavy handed compared to what I thought was needed. It'll be interesting to see the new damage parses.
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ilcavallo✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Why for the love of god are we always getting the nerfhammer? I mean it’s like zenimax doesn’t like having a rogue playstyle. Nightblades were meant to be single target killers. Meant to be able to quickly kill a SINGLE target. Not multiple. Not fight extended fights against multiple targets. They have steadily destroyed the rogue playstyle with each patch. Just because you get assassinated by one player doesn’t mean they are overpowered. The nightblade was meant to be able to go out into Cyrodil by yourself and be able to put the fear of the gods into whoever was running by themselves. Is that really so bad? I mean you have a nightblade fighting a group and it’s laughable because we can’t fight for extended periods and healing ourselves. Stop killing the rogue playstyle. Instead teach people to actually build to defend against it. Don’t expect to go into pvp and be able to survive every single player you come across. I don’t expect to kill every tank I cross paths with. But I definitely expect to be able to kill a player who I’ve taken by surprise and who is by themselves
I will just cancel ESO subscription and move on to COD4 if half of these changes go live.1 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭It’s funny every time a class gets nerfed I see these things. You chicken littles need to calm down life will go on and new builds will be created. Lol always crying about end of a classWhen asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."1
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Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally I’m fine with the incap nerf but all the other nerfs were unwarranted. All the other classes have abilities that give powerful buffs but now they pretty much just removed all the self buffs that nightblades use. Something that is devastating to the many nb who primarily run solo because that’s how the class was designed. People just need to stop complaining about being ganked. Learn to react and recover. As a nb I’m a choice target for other nb to try to gank me. But they almost all fail because I learned how to react and counter. Something that all the other classes rarely have to worry about because they all run in large groups and healing each other. Not only that but the nerfs will directly influence our self healing and recovery and a nb doesn’t have the best healing especially when we are solo. We have to disengage and heal up and then charge back in the fight7 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭I honestly am considering changing over to BDO and canceling my subscription. Iv played for 5 years and iv spent upwards of 10 grand on content houses furnishings costumes mounts dlc etc. (yes I had a bit of an addiction) but if these changes go live I will probably take my money elsewhere5 -
Dillpat✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »While I will personally have to adapt my build a bit to compensate for the brutal gutting I received now my nightblade will have an even harder time trying to 1vx and single target while everyone else’s classes get 80% buffs and 200% buffs.
wow adapting your build due to changes? guess mag nb, stamplar, magdens, mag sorc and every other class have never ever had to do that due to a change in their kits.@Dillpaat PC EU/NA
Just a laggy memer
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Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭All these changes have done is ruin my enthusiasm to play eso I been playing nb since console release it’s all I enjoy stamblade my main but I would happily l2p magblade but no thy decided to butcher the whole class if these changes go live I’m ending my subscription and quitting I feel this way because I really do like eso and elder scrolls in general but I’m a solo player nb being this weak in cyrodiil will be no good I hope thy reconsider 😔7 -
Jarl_Roigarr✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »All these changes have done is ruin my enthusiasm to play eso I been playing nb since console release it’s all I enjoy stamblade my main but I would happily l2p magblade but no thy decided to butcher the whole class if these changes go live I’m ending my subscription and quitting I feel this way because I really do like eso and elder scrolls in general but I’m a solo player nb being this weak in cyrodiil will be no good I hope thy reconsider 😔
I feel you. Just as I started to convert my stamnb to magnb they decided to make these changes. I've been playing stam nb since I began the game and it had been my only char for a long time. I guess I'll level up the skills on my stamden and play there or if they decide to go through with these changes then that's it for me.PC EU Ebonheart Pact IGN: @Jarl_Roigarr
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ilcavallo✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »I honestly am considering changing over to BDO and canceling my subscription. Iv played for 5 years and iv spent upwards of 10 grand on content houses furnishings costumes mounts dlc etc. (yes I had a bit of an addiction) but if these changes go live I will probably take my money elsewhere
I help run a guild. Have all the mundus stones, dummies, transmute station and basic tables.
Removing minor beserk from relentless focus is one thing, but the rest of the changes after removing the crit bonus and buffing other classes is nonsense.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy. Like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.Edited by Iskiab on April 16, 2019 5:31PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten13 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.
You here this from unskilled players who dont understand how to develop counter or circumventing measure for combat.
So rather than getting better, they ask for dev intervention.
Then the devs use it as an excuse to nerf with the appearance they are making actual game improvements.9 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.
You here this from unskilled players who dont understand how to develop counter or circumventing measure for combat.
So rather than getting better, they ask for dev intervention.
Then the devs use it as an excuse to nerf with the appearance they are making actual game improvements.
Maybe... but it only takes maybe 20 BGs to figure out what’s obvious. Stamblades have no aoe and aoe is dominating pvp. Stamblades lack survivability to get in there and melee compared to other classes. It’s so obvious you’d have to be blind not to see it with even a small amount of experience.Edited by Iskiab on April 16, 2019 5:40PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten6 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭i dont understand the grim focus' change. what is it supposed to do now? no berserk and no regen. lol at the heal.
And how does minor mangle work? Though, Incap is a disease damage so it has 10 percent chance to apply Major Defile.
Surprise attack has the highest scaling so i guess it is fine?
Dark cloak seems useless too. Need to test it tho.
Overall. Grim Focus is ridiculous now but some of our skills and passives gut buffed (cloak is now solid 4,5 seconds instead of 2,91 secs)Edited by hakan on April 16, 2019 6:20PM1 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy. Like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.
Dude every class hits the same damage as nightblade, they arent even more bursty. i dont understand it either.8 -
ilcavallo✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.
You here this from unskilled players who dont understand how to develop counter or circumventing measure for combat.
So rather than getting better, they ask for dev intervention.
Then the devs use it as an excuse to nerf with the appearance they are making actual game improvements.
Agreed. The loudest people, though a small percentage of the ESO community, are the ones complaining and it seems like that's all the class reps, community managers and developers hear unfortunately. It would be a more enjoyable experience if they stopped nerfing everything and just focused on fixing the basic components (read, lag and long loading screens) of the game.3 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What I don’t get is whenever I ask this question to people there’s never an answer. People jump in and say ‘Nightblade OP’ and never answer the why. Embarrassed they’re talking about pvp and don’t pvp?Edited by Iskiab on April 16, 2019 5:51PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I don’t understand why people keep saying stamblade are OP in pvp. Are you talking about duels?
In battlegrounds they’re weak. The more experienced your opponents are in pvp the worse they do. BGs are dominated by DK, Wardens and sorcs.
In cyrodiil they aren’t very good either. Generally seen as the weakest class with no group synergy.
Why do I keep seeing people say Stamblades are OP, much less good? I’m starting to think it’s people commenting who don’t even pvp.
You here this from unskilled players who dont understand how to develop counter or circumventing measure for combat.
So rather than getting better, they ask for dev intervention.
Then the devs use it as an excuse to nerf with the appearance they are making actual game improvements.
Maybe... but it only takes maybe 20 BGs to figure out what’s obvious. Stamblades have no aoe and aoe is dominating pvp. Stamblades lack survivability to get in there and melee compared to other classes. It’s so obvious you’d have to be blind not to see it with even a small amount of experience.
Im tired of every patch being a nerf. Im definitely not going to pay fornthe experience of nerfs anymore4
