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The Truth about DPSing in ESO
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kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And this is why I don't play DPS, I'm not willing to treat a video game like a IRL job.
30 minutes to an hour is all it takes to go from being a crappy dps to doing 40k+ on a dummy. Read a rotation guide, watch a youtube video, and put it to practice a few times on a dummy until you do it right. If you're fine with mediocrity, your loss, but keep in mind that you're only 30-60 minutes away from being good at the game.
That may have been true for you. It's not remotely true for me. I've spent that 30—60 minutes on one character, and ended up just barely ahead of where I was when I started. True for multiple characters, but on different days.
My best dummy tests are in the 30-35k range, only on a couple of characters; my other dps characters are in the 25-30k. My weaving is poor, but amazingly gets worse when I specifically focus on just the weave, to the point where most light attacks vanish. Something is wrong with my perception of skill and la timing. I'm sure I have other rotation issues but I have problems figuring out what exactly is wrong. 40+ does not seem achievable in the near term.13 -
worrallj✭✭✭✭✭Its a video game. Games are entertainment. Entertainment shouldnt be about work.
We're here to have fun, not do a job. Maybe the game should somehow encourage new players to use their skills and learn a rotation through hints and gameplay, maybe create like a Tutorial Dungeon.
I understand, but challenge is a big part of what makes games fun, and everyone has a different amount of challenge that they're looking for. I know some gamers who literally don't seem to like challenge at all - I suspect they would enter God mode cheats in every game they play if they could. Others want the game about as hard as it can be made without being literally impossible. And everything in between.2 -
OwnerOfSuccuby✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »This thread will be filled with mental gymnastics why 15k dps is better than 50k dps.
It trully is. If 15 k dps is on tank, that do his job. And 50 k is on glass cannon dds
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Pevey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LOL, talk about straw man. I usually real like his videos, but I don't think anyone on the forum ever claimed that only 1% of players can pull 15k dps. And that is not even sufficient dps; it is not the dps zos is balancing new content around. You can pull 15k with the most basic *idea* of a rotation (put down some dots, fill it in with a spammable, even if it's just LA, should get you to 15k). I think the majority of players can get to 30k if they practice and put some effort into it. It's going from 30k up to 50-60k, those are the 1%, and really probably not even that.0 -
mpicklesster✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »I just got another character the Flawless Conqueror title. Afterwards, decided to whoop up on a dummy in the exact setup. Hit a whopping 26k DPS.
Not a pet Sorc. Not a WW. Not some cheese build.
This character is a flawless conqueror and I can’t get into a trial group with it.
I can understand why this is frustrating. It seems very counterintuitive that a build that can work in an environment as unforgiving as vMA can't produce top-tier DPS in a vet trial. But you have to keep in mind that vMA and vet trials are two different environments. In vMA, you're responsible for everything (DPSing, healing, resource management, and tanking--to an extent). In vet trials, however, those responsibilities are divided among a dozen people. But the beauty of that is that you get to specialize in a role in a vet trial. Consequently, you're in a position to pull much higher DPS because you're no longer entirely responsible for your own healing, tanking, and resource management.
TL; DR version: Comparing vMA to a vet trial is like comparing a triathlon to a football game. Both require a certain skilled, proficient "build", but the build that flourishes in one environment will not necessarily flourish in the other.
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm trying to belittle what you said. I understand your frustration. (I was in the same situation once.) But, if you can get Flawless in vMA, you're more than capable of getting 40k+ DPS simply by changing up your build. For example, my flawless build on my magblade gets 25k DPS. Whereas my trials build gets 45k. The reason is because I use different gear, blue CP, mundus stone, and monster set for each.
Maybe to mitigate this kind of confusion, ZOS could do a better job teaching the community that it's actually better to specialize in a job in vet trials. ZOS seems reluctant to tell their community that trying to be a jack-of-all-trades in a vet trial just ends up making you mediocre in multiple roles--and consequently dilutes your group's DPS.5 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And this is why I don't play DPS, I'm not willing to treat a video game like a IRL job.
30 minutes to an hour is all it takes to go from being a crappy dps to doing 40k+ on a dummy. Read a rotation guide, watch a youtube video, and put it to practice a few times on a dummy until you do it right. If you're fine with mediocrity, your loss, but keep in mind that you're only 30-60 minutes away from being good at the game.
See, here's the thing.
People have different ideas of what it means to be "good at the game" and also what "mediocrity" looks like. Perhaps others are not okay with sacrificing their own values and priorities to conform to those of competitive gamers.Edited by Starlock on April 15, 2019 3:41PM2 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah, I mean, who needs rl jobs anyway, kinda right? Don't be a sucker.TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.Edited by Cage_Lizardman on April 15, 2019 3:09PM9 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.6 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭TriangularChicken wrote: »A informative video revealing the truth behind playing a damage dealer in ESO:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s
May I quote one of the comments under the video:
"It’s one of those hard pills to swallow for many players. The thing is the moment you realize you are bad and aren’t performing your role adequately is the moment you can actually start getting good. It’s literally the turning point we all faced at some point in our time playing eso."
CP and gear obviously are factors for high dps, but experience and good rotation are way more important.
Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous. It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
OH another one that dosent include latency show me those elite numbers at 400 ping then I'll love to agree with you.2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton4 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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Normal modes should be more suitable for you.Soul19reaper wrote: »TriangularChicken wrote: »A informative video revealing the truth behind playing a damage dealer in ESO:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5shttp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s
May I quote one of the comments under the video:
"It’s one of those hard pills to swallow for many players. The thing is the moment you realize you are bad and aren’t performing your role adequately is the moment you can actually start getting good. It’s literally the turning point we all faced at some point in our time playing eso."
CP and gear obviously are factors for high dps, but experience and good rotation are way more important.
Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous. It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
OH another one that dosent include latency show me those elite numbers at 400 ping then I'll love to agree with you.5 -
pelle412✭✭✭✭✭DPS is the main reason why I don't PUG vet dungeons on my tank. Yesterday I did vCoA1 because I figured how bad could it be? Total group DPS was 16K and I did 40% of that as tank. I'd rather not do dungeons at all unless I have a few trusted players with me. I am sure many tanks feel the same, hence longer DPS queue.
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Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
I pug vet dlc's daily. Get back under your bridge, please.8 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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But do you clear them?Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
I pug vet dlc's daily. Get back under your bridge, please.8 -
luccerton✭✭Soul19reaper wrote: »TriangularChicken wrote: »A informative video revealing the truth behind playing a damage dealer in ESO:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5shttp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=bibM3j6KHR0&t=5s
May I quote one of the comments under the video:
"It’s one of those hard pills to swallow for many players. The thing is the moment you realize you are bad and aren’t performing your role adequately is the moment you can actually start getting good. It’s literally the turning point we all faced at some point in our time playing eso."
CP and gear obviously are factors for high dps, but experience and good rotation are way more important.
Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous. It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
OH another one that dosent include latency show me those elite numbers at 400 ping then I'll love to agree with you.
Naah he did, I have 400 ping all the time and I can manage to hit atleast 35k with that. Adjust your build to it, use a good heavy attack build and latency barely affects you. Nope you aint gonna be able to do LA builds very efficient but you can still pull of good enough dps for 95% off the content. When I have 60-120 ping I switch my build to a LA build and pull of 45k dps. And I am not even full cp only at 460ish atm. But again, there are not a lot of players that ask you for 60k plus dps.Also known as pyroxius, fanatic twitch fan and youtube content creator!
https://youtube.com/channel/UC5o2wbJtblWL3v5FRaoiNkA?view_as=subscriber2 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
But do you clear them?Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
I pug vet dlc's daily. Get back under your bridge, please.
Sure, with 30-34k that's not usually a problem.4 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭target dummies dont hit back, they dont drain resources, they dont one shot you, dont apply fracture or maim, they dont poison or defile, free dps is not a gauge of how good a player is it just means they can hit a static bag for 60secs filling every skill slot with dps skills and popping spell or weapon damage boosters, swapping their cp around to maximise hitting static target. i would rather have someone who can A) stay alive long enough to be useful
know the mechanics of the trial/dungeon, to many times i have been in trials/dungeons where the "50k+" dps is the one getting picked up off the floor every 2mins, a dead DD has no DPS and stops someone else doing DPS while they have to res 10 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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If I would spend an hour for a daily vet, I would be bitter too.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
But do you clear them?Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
I pug vet dlc's daily. Get back under your bridge, please.
Sure, with 30-34k that's not usually a problem.2 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DPS is easy. I've yet to meet a new player that has not increased his DPS by 2x/3x the amount by just gaining a few tips from a veteran player. It just comes down to who listens. And no, it does not take any insane amount of time. 30-60min is a fine estimate. If you're actually trying. The whole do half of what was explained, turn around and say "it did not work" and give up after 5mins does not work.Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.5 -
luccerton✭✭This topic is so dumb.. We all know most casual eso players are just too lazy to even research a build let alone learn how to actually play it. So many people just want to use their RP 2h heavy armor DD build and expect to pull of great numbers. But when you actually ask them what they do in combat they dont have a rotation, use weird sets, dont have legendary weapons, dont use potions or sometimes even buffood. And then they wine it is imposible to hit over 20k dps. Yes ofcourse CP helps, especially if you are under 300. But going from 160 cp to 810 aint gonna quadrupple your dps. its not like you gonna go from 10k dps to 40 or 50k suddenly cause you have 810 CP now. If you dont want to switch build or work on your rotation and actually spend time during combat tracking your dots etc. Dont expect the people that do put in the efford needed to carry you through content.
Funny thing is I am a casual player myself, I am only 460ish CP and only did Craglorn HM and vMOL. I returned to the game a month ago and if I can pull of 40-45k dps, why cant someone else? Thats right, cause they dont put in any efford and feel entitled to get everything a game has to offer without putting efford in it. Dont come with the excuse I pay for the game. We all do, and I do not pay subscription to carry your sorry ass through a vet dungeon cause reaching a bare minimum of 15k dps is all you can do. Especially if I offer to help you with your dps and you spit in my face for claiming I am an elitist. And I dont even play this game for 10 hours each week. So imagine people putting in a lot of hours each week to become good. Ofcourse they do not want to be grouped up with people in a vet dungeon that litterly deal less dps then the pet of a sorcerer alone.Also known as pyroxius, fanatic twitch fan and youtube content creator!
https://youtube.com/channel/UC5o2wbJtblWL3v5FRaoiNkA?view_as=subscriber5 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »
If I would spend an hour for a daily vet, I would be bitter too.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
But do you clear them?Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Facefister wrote: »
Stay out of vets, please.Cage_Lizardman wrote: »
Yeah, I mean, who needs jobs anyway, kinda right?TriangularChicken wrote: »Excuses like "I don't have time to practice on a target dummy" are ridiculous.
...wait, dude, didn't I pay for this game already?TriangularChicken wrote: »It's the same principle as in real life, you do not get anything for free, so work for it.
I pug vet dlc's daily. Get back under your bridge, please.
Sure, with 30-34k that's not usually a problem.
An hour? Only if the other dd is a snipe spammer.1 -
LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭A lot of people, myself included, queue in as DPS because they are unsure of what to pick but know for sure they don't have healing spells to be a healer. Or they know that a lot of specific things are expected of a tank and they do not know how to do those things, or know they are not properly geared / specced for it. So they choose DPS because you HAVE to choose something. Nobody wants to bring down their group but people have to learn. I don't have a headset and you can't type to people while you run run run through a dungeon. I'm working on getting my DPS up and testing it, but at first players don't know to do this. People have to have an opportunity to learn before you start criticizing therm.5 -
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Exactly. You can’t just skip all mechanics no matter how good you are, ZOS has made changes, especially to newer content to ensure this. No one can “stand in stupid” and be successful. Sure, you can avoid having to deal with some mechanics for long, or multiple times with good dps. The thing is that, once you get good at dps (rotation), its one less thing to think about. It become second nature, and you can concentrate on mechanics and staying alive that much more. It takes time and practice to get good, just like anything else.OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »Good player and good dd is not about damage at all. I can say more. Thise who just dps target can not pkay good. They just skip mechanics with no real action.
3 dd - 1 tank 180 k dps, boss do not use its skills = kill dummy. Noskill needed at all.
Other party -> not enough damage to skip phase = can not pass at all.
Very bad game.
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Trully good game for dd is when you can survive, make and know all tacticks, can make all by your self. Tank is dead - run with boss. Or resurect your oarty member.
Yes you are dd. You have to have 35-40+k dps. But put it by your own. Have saves for party. Abbility survive and kill add. Do not die in each situation. That is good pkay loocks like. Not skipping mechanicks.
For example we can do a lot of dunguans with only 2 of us in paty. We do not need 4 people. If you just dps all - you will never do the same. The game is not only about high dps you know ?
As DD you must make 35+k dps for exampl.
But are you good or bad is not calculated in how much of it you can do on dummy. Tou can have 40 k dps and be much better than thouse who make 60k dps. The game is not only about dps. It is more about abbility to play. Make and play with strategy. Think, make thingth by your own. Those who can anything of it - just go to high dps. My opinion.
Truly good players do HM trials where you play mechanics and dps at the same time, you gotta do both if you wanna be a good player, otherwise anyone can stand out of red if all they do is press wasd. Staying alive is definitely not the hard point, it’s staying alive and dealing as much damage as possible.
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✭What's the point of this thread? You know most casuals don't read this or watch those videos right? And why? They don't care they just want to go into a dungeon and have fun.
I get it, a couple of time I got slightly annoyed too, but hey, guess what. This is a Massive Multiplayer Game. And people, like in RL are diverse, i.e. they are not all like you. Some people just enjoy a slow dungeon, some won't care in the slightest about their DPS.
And you don't have the right to set what is "adequate". For an instance, even when I can do high DPS, I actually enjoy seeing some mechanics and normal DPS levels are the most fun for me, instead of stomping all the bosses in the dungeon like they are dummies.
If you are a commited player, hardcore or whatever you want to call it, learn to carry casuals and stop whining.Edited by Loves_guars on April 15, 2019 4:03PM12 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »target dummies dont hit back, they dont drain resources, they dont one shot you, dont apply fracture or maim, they dont poison or defile, free dps is not a gauge of how good a player is it just means they can hit a static bag for 60secs filling every skill slot with dps skills and popping spell or weapon damage boosters, swapping their cp around to maximise hitting static target. i would rather have someone who can A) stay alive long enough to be useful know the mechanics of the trial/dungeon, to many times i have been in trials/dungeons where the "50k+" dps is the one getting picked up off the floor every 2mins, a dead DD has no DPS and stops someone else doing DPS while they have to res
No, my ignorant friend.
Dummies should be used to practice and master your rotation, so you can execute it perfectly while playing the mechanics and staying alive. That's what being a "good player" means to me. You're excluding both options from each other, as if you can only chose one... DPS is the result of your whole performance, so DPS is everything!Characters worth mentioning:Daedrós - Magicka DK - Altmer - PvE & PvP - Emperor - IR - GH - TTTArenas: vDSA (~46k) - vMA (~586k)
Dragybor - Stamblade - Redguard - PvE (first char)
Yondaime Raikage - Stamsorc - Redguard - PvP
Zerg Overmind - Magblade - Altmer - PvE - GH
Yenari - Magsorc - Altmer - PvE - Flawless Conqueror
Devoured-his-siblings - DK Tank - Argonian - PvE - Unchained
Valkyrja Valhalla - StamDK - Redguard - PvE
Hyperion der Obere - Magplar - Altmer - PvE
Affa al'Dschinni - Stamplar - Orc - PvP
Enjoys-the-slaughter - Templar Healer - Argonian - PvE
Hades Adamastos - Stamcro - Orc - PvE
Khaba the Cruel - Magsorc- Altmer - PvP
Hekate Ourania - Magcro - Atlmer - PvE - TTT
Trials: vAA hm - vHRC hm - vSO hm - vMoL hm (~161k) - vHoF hm (~218k) - vAS+2 (~114k) - vCR+3 - vSS hm - vKA hm
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✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Its a video game. Games are entertainment. Entertainment shouldnt be about work.
I miss Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. It was only cooperative and the only aspects to progress yourself were weapons and a minimal passive buff system. That game was NEVER toxic, vets never got on your butt about being on a low level character. I know there's a big difference between a horde mode shooter and an mmorpg, but the principle is there.
We're here to have fun, not do a job. Maybe the game should somehow encourage new players to use their skills and learn a rotation through hints and gameplay, maybe create like a Tutorial Dungeon.
Most hilarious is that new (vet) content is created with expectations that those exploits will be perfectly used. I mean it's not normal when sword swing is cancelled at the very beginning, arrow shoots without bowstring pulled, and rain of arrows is cast without bow shooting animation at all. Meanwhile all the content starting from Horns of the reach is created with point that dps MUST use this.
I'm not against weaving and reasonable cancelling, but in ESO it just looks bewildering to anybody who is not used to that. So no wonder that majority of "casual" players can't don't do this. They didn't even think that you may MUST bar swap cancel endless hail if you want complete that new veteran dungeon or trial.
Weaving is promoted in-game. Animations are superfluous anyway, as Instant cast abilities have already calculated damage before the animation plays.
Stop spreading misinformation, and stop blaming your poor performance on it as if your damage would shoot up to 50k if you used weaving and bar-swap animation cancels.
Oh my, another one for ignore list. I use all this cancelling even when doing quests, because it's like second nature now. This has nothing to do with anybody's performance, if you wanna talk about real player skill go play Starcraft (4-8 buttons per second on competitive level) or any competitive FPS. In ESO it's just that there are people who care about builds and dps (like me and you) and there are ton of people who don't even know that weaving and canceling exists, those "low-dps potato /zerglings". And if you put yourself above those people.. well, you are competing with people who doesn't even know that competition exists.
I don't mean that people who do 70k with raid buffs under mechanics or perform bursts in PVP without errors are not skilled - they are skilled. But to press bar swap button just after skill button - there is no any skill in that, it's just exploit about which majority of player's don't even know.
How shall I ever recover now that I’m on some random person’s ignorelist (/s)
Animation cancelling is not an exploit. It’s necessary for fluid combat, and people do it on accident as much as others do it intentionally.
Someone who does perform better than a inadequate dps with bad gear and no rotation is fully justified in feeling superior because objectively they are. Getting frustrated and refusing to carry a bad dps means they get called “toxic elitist” for not wanting to waste their time. There’s nothing erroneous about feeling better when you play the game better4 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭Rotation, Rotation, Rotation! Oh yeah and don't stand in stupid = good/adequate DPS.
Not everyone will parse 50K+ but if you can crack 30+ and stay alive mostly (because you know mechanics ) you should be able to perform in 90% of content.
Why would you limit yourself? Maybe I am just too competitive...Characters worth mentioning:Daedrós - Magicka DK - Altmer - PvE & PvP - Emperor - IR - GH - TTTArenas: vDSA (~46k) - vMA (~586k)
Dragybor - Stamblade - Redguard - PvE (first char)
Yondaime Raikage - Stamsorc - Redguard - PvP
Zerg Overmind - Magblade - Altmer - PvE - GH
Yenari - Magsorc - Altmer - PvE - Flawless Conqueror
Devoured-his-siblings - DK Tank - Argonian - PvE - Unchained
Valkyrja Valhalla - StamDK - Redguard - PvE
Hyperion der Obere - Magplar - Altmer - PvE
Affa al'Dschinni - Stamplar - Orc - PvP
Enjoys-the-slaughter - Templar Healer - Argonian - PvE
Hades Adamastos - Stamcro - Orc - PvE
Khaba the Cruel - Magsorc- Altmer - PvP
Hekate Ourania - Magcro - Atlmer - PvE - TTT
Trials: vAA hm - vHRC hm - vSO hm - vMoL hm (~161k) - vHoF hm (~218k) - vAS+2 (~114k) - vCR+3 - vSS hm - vKA hm
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who feels good about carrying players?
It's such a ego boost and a confirmation in my own understanding of my rotation and class when I can just come in and blast stuff to the nine hell's and back.
It's not even competitive...I WANT to kill all the things before my DD counterpart even gets the chance to touch his buttons...
I'm focused on my own play...not others.
I'll be glad to carry...all day, every day.
This kind of "problem" only really matters in vet score run trials...outside of that, who cares? There's no content (outside of vet trials) that can't be beat with a max of 20/30k dps. Wanting everyone to push 50/60k is nothing but overkill.
The MMO Problem is this....too many people worried about what other people do.
Edit: And before the "wasted time" lame excuses are used, if everyone stays alive (and I know some big number dps players who absolutely CANNOT) you're taking about an extra minute or two to kill a boss with a low dps player. If you dont have a extra minute or two to spare, maybe playing a MMO isn't a good choice for your hobby time...
I completely agree. For those people who say they don't want to carry a lowbie or someone with low DPS, they the truth is it's because they can't. Their DPS is just as bad. I am happy to stick in a group who is not optimized because what the heck, (as mentioned above apart from a vet score run) why take things too seriously?"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭If you have time to play the game, you have time to spend 30 min to an hour practicing your parse on a target dummy. No reason not to be pulling at least 20k dps with all the resources available. If you need to farm gear and cp, then do so. No excuses
If you're just a dummy warrior then obviously practice on mechanics in dungeons and trials
All in all, you wont get good at anything if you dont practice applies in the game and in real life. Any excuse just makes you look lazy0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OwnerOfSuccuby wrote: »Good player and good dd is not about damage at all. I can say more. Thise who just dps target can not pkay good. They just skip mechanics with no real action.
3 dd - 1 tank 180 k dps, boss do not use its skills = kill dummy. Noskill needed at all.
Other party -> not enough damage to skip phase = can not pass at all.
Very bad game.
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Trully good game for dd is when you can survive, make and know all tacticks, can make all by your self. Tank is dead - run with boss. Or resurect your oarty member.
Yes you are dd. You have to have 35-40+k dps. But put it by your own. Have saves for party. Abbility survive and kill add. Do not die in each situation. That is good pkay loocks like. Not skipping mechanicks.
For example we can do a lot of dunguans with only 2 of us in paty. We do not need 4 people. If you just dps all - you will never do the same. The game is not only about high dps you know ?
As DD you must make 35+k dps for exampl.
But are you good or bad is not calculated in how much of it you can do on dummy. Tou can have 40 k dps and be much better than thouse who make 60k dps. The game is not only about dps. It is more about abbility to play. Make and play with strategy. Think, make thingth by your own. Those who can anything of it - just go to high dps. My opinion.
And the best players in the game, those that are getting the earliest clears in new trials, are top dps because they can both dish the damage and deal with the mechanics.
While they may and will often skill mechanics or deal with them for a shorter, duration/fewer cycles, they very much have to deal with them early on.
Case in point, vMoL HM early clears for every group including Hodor saw the lunar phase. Eventually those group were able to skip lunar because they refined their strategy and became more comfortable with the fight. They earned the ability clear Rakkhat in HM and not getting anywhere near lunar.
Of course Zos buffed our damage in a manor way soon afterwards any groups many groups ended up being able to skip lunar phase even on their first clear, but that is a different story.2 -
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✭✭Member guys DPS loggers are bad because that would be bad to compare number with group mates.
I know lets make a topic on whats good DPS with such phrases as 20? I can do that ducktape. 30? pfft get 40K. That'll go well...Edited by karekiz on April 15, 2019 4:35PM1