Will Summerset be included in the base game?

Gothlander · April 2019

Even if you don't purchase Elsweyr?

Nermy · April 2019

I doubt it. Why would they when people who buy Elsweyr and don't have Summerset might then buy it.

redlink1979 · April 2019

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Gothlander · April 2019

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

pauli133 · April 2019

Probably not. Morrowind became a pack-in because of its absolutely immense draw - people will buy the game simply because YES MORROWIND - whereas Summerset has none of that.

phantasmalD · April 2019

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

No, they didn't. They made it a standard DLC which made it part of ESO+.
The only expansion feature that ever became base game is the Battlegrounds afaik.

Ratzkifal · April 2019

phantasmalD wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

No, they didn't. They made it a standard DLC which made it part of ESO+.
The only expansion feature that ever became base game is the Battlegrounds afaik.

This. The reason Morrowind got downgraded to DLC was because Battlegrounds needed to be open to the public to stay relevant and healthy. But because it was an expansion feature, ZOS split Warden and Battlegrounds off Morrowind and left it as a zone DLC.

Summerset has nothing of the sort. Jewelry crafting doesn't rely on others to be successful. On the contrary! The fewer people have access to jewelry crafting the more delicious that deal sounds. Exclusivity of Jewelry crafting is a big selling point for Summerset.

It's possible that Elsweyr will have the Necromancer split off a year later, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Gothlander · April 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

phantasmalD wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

No, they didn't. They made it a standard DLC which made it part of ESO+.
The only expansion feature that ever became base game is the Battlegrounds afaik.

This. The reason Morrowind got downgraded to DLC was because Battlegrounds needed to be open to the public to stay relevant and healthy. But because it was an expansion feature, ZOS split Warden and Battlegrounds off Morrowind and left it as a zone DLC.

Summerset has nothing of the sort. Jewelry crafting doesn't rely on others to be successful. On the contrary! The fewer people have access to jewelry crafting the more delicious that deal sounds. Exclusivity of Jewelry crafting is a big selling point for Summerset.

It's possible that Elsweyr will have the Necromancer split off a year later, but I wouldn't bet on it.

So Summerset will become a dlc which you get for free as long as you are subbed.

tmbrinks · April 2019

I would guess that Summerset becomes a DLC and Jewelry Crafting will become part of the base game like Battlegrounds was for Morrowind. There won't be a separate "class" that can be bought with crowns like the Warden was.

Then again, I don't work for ZoS, I'm just guessing based on past practices.

Then we'll hear the howling about "I paid for this on release, now they give it for free... I demand my money back!!!"

if this scenario comes, I anticipate no less than 30 threads on the forums about it.

idk · April 2019

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

Morrowind is not part of the base game. It is now a DLC. Summerset will probably have the same.

If you are saying base game and really meaning part of ESO+ your vocabulary is very wrong and that is why the conversation is like it is .

ghastley · April 2019

idk wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

Morrowind is not part of the base game. It is now a DLC. Summerset will probably have the same.

If you are saying base game and really meaning part of ESO+ your vocabulary is very wrong and that is why the conversation is like it is .

Morrowind chapter had the Vvardenfell zone, Battlegrounds, and the Warden class. The Zone became the DLC content, Battlegrounds became base game content, and the Warden class still needs to be be purchased separately in the Crown Store, even if you have ESO+.

Any attempt to discuss "Morrowind" as if it was one single piece is going to mislead. The Morrowind chapter no longer exists, it was broken up.

I expect much the same for Summerset, but I'm not sure what the likely pieces are. Probably the zone as DLC, Jewel Crafting moved to base game, but what would be the Crown Store part(s)?

Ratzkifal · April 2019

Gothlander wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

phantasmalD wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

No, they didn't. They made it a standard DLC which made it part of ESO+.
The only expansion feature that ever became base game is the Battlegrounds afaik.

This. The reason Morrowind got downgraded to DLC was because Battlegrounds needed to be open to the public to stay relevant and healthy. But because it was an expansion feature, ZOS split Warden and Battlegrounds off Morrowind and left it as a zone DLC.

Summerset has nothing of the sort. Jewelry crafting doesn't rely on others to be successful. On the contrary! The fewer people have access to jewelry crafting the more delicious that deal sounds. Exclusivity of Jewelry crafting is a big selling point for Summerset.

It's possible that Elsweyr will have the Necromancer split off a year later, but I wouldn't bet on it.

So Summerset will become a dlc which you get for free as long as you are subbed.

@Gothlander No, it won't. Summerset won't become a DLC and there is nothing suggesting that it will.

SoLooney · April 2019

Since morrowind eventually became dlc accessible with eso plus, I'm guessing summerset will also be similar in the future

MaleAmazon · April 2019

It is likely it will become a DLC. Reason? People will buy the game when a new chapter comes. Likely they will be able to get previous DLCs and chapters since otherwise they might not want to pay for a game that isn´t 'full', and people might not want to take a chance to buy extra content right away. So they´ll make it DLC and give 1 month ESO+ or something. Also, people who bought the game previously but don´t have Summerset will complain that it is so unfair that new players get previous content. ZOS don´t want discontented players, so they´ll make it DLC.

It just makes sense

tmbrinks · April 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

It is likely it will become a DLC. Reason? People will buy the game when a new chapter comes. Likely they will be able to get previous DLCs and chapters since otherwise they might not want to pay for a game that isn´t 'full', and people might not want to take a chance to buy extra content right away. So they´ll make it DLC and give 1 month ESO+ or something. Also, people who bought the game previously but don´t have Summerset will complain that it is so unfair that new players get previous content. ZOS don´t want discontented players, so they´ll make it DLC.

It just makes sense

I always liken the changes like this to seeing a movie.

You can pay a lot to see it early, in the theaters, so you have "early access" to it.

or, you can wait a few months, rent it over the internet and watch it later for a lower cost

or, you can wait even longer, and maybe see it for "free" through your subscription based service that you have (Netflix, Hulu, Cable/Satellite, etc...)

Minno · April 2019

phantasmalD wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

I'm sure it will be considered a dlc after Elsweyrs gets released, as it happened to Morrowind when Summerset was released.
But still not entirely sure mainly due to the access to Summerset grants access to jewelry crafting. Previous dlcs didn't granted you access to any crafting skill line.

Morrowind had a new class. I think they made Morrowind part of the base game even if you didn't buy it.

No, they didn't. They made it a standard DLC which made it part of ESO+.
The only expansion feature that ever became base game is the Battlegrounds afaik.

which they might make JC base game based on that intent.

Asardes · April 2019

It will most likely be added as separate DLC upon Elsweyr release, like it happened to Morrowind on Summerset launch.

Kikke · April 2019

What most likely will happend:

Psijic Guild becomes base game.

Jewelcrafting can be bought on the side for crowns.

Summerset downgraded to DLC.

Ratzkifal · April 2019

I don't get why everyone is so sure that Summerset will become a DLC just because Morrowind did. Morrowind was the exception, not the rule. There is no need for ZOS to make Jewelry crafting basegame but there was a need for Battlegrounds to become basegame.
If you want Summerset, preorder the next expansion and get it included. I predict that this is how it will keep going.

Every chapter has 3 big features aka three big selling points.

Morrowind had the zone, Battlegrounds and the Warden class.
Summerset has the zone, the Psijic order and jewelry crafting.
Elsweyr has the zone, the Necromancer and Dragons

Battlegrounds needed to become basegame, because it made the queue healthier and matches more even. But doing so would make the Morrowind price tag unjustified which is why they moved the warden class behind a smaller paywall and made the zone a DLC.

Suppose Summerset were to become a DLC, then the Psijic order, the zone and jewelry crafting would need to be separated somehow. Jewelry crafting becomes basegame, so far so good, but the Psijic order and the zone are inseparable, so it needs a higher price tag than even Morrowind and Orsinium, say 4000 or 4500 crowns. But who would pay that much for a DLC that's included in ESO+ anyway? Exactly, no one! I don't think ZOS wants to make a DLC like that because it would be too expensive to be included in ESO+ even without the jewelry crafting. That's why I think Summerset will never become a DLC.
It might still happen, but you shouldn't expect it to, because there is not enough evidence to support it.

Ratzkifal · April 2019

Kikke wrote: »

What most likely will happend:

Psijic Guild becomes base game.

Jewelcrafting can be bought on the side for crowns.

Summerset downgraded to DLC.

@Kikke HOW? You can't level the Psijic guild without the zone! You get the augur from Summerset, the first rifts are on Summerset! You don't get any skills if you don't also own the zone Summerset.

It's much more likely that Jewelry crafting goes to the basegame and Summerset becomes our most expensive DLC so far at 4000 crowns or more.

MaleAmazon · April 2019

but the Psijic order and the zone are inseparable, so it needs a higher price tag than even Morrowind and Orsinium, say 4000 or 4500 crowns. But who would pay that much for a DLC that's included in ESO+ anyway?

No. There´s no reason to say it has to be more expensive. I got Thieves´ Guild + Dark Brotherhood + Orsinium + Imperial City as a pack. It is 5500 crowns atm, which is what I have basically from only having ESO+. So apparently ZOS thinks it´s worth it for that crown price tag... I got it on sale, dont remember for how much.

Also they want people to have ESO+ since that is a larger source of revenue over time, which is an additional reason to include more stuff as DLC.

And ofc you cannot expect it, but I would be surprised if they locked large content behind payments that might put people off even buying the game to start with.

Kikke · April 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

What most likely will happend:

Psijic Guild becomes base game.

Jewelcrafting can be bought on the side for crowns.

Summerset downgraded to DLC.

@Kikke HOW? You can't level the Psijic guild without the zone! You get the augur from Summerset, the first rifts are on Summerset! You don't get any skills if you don't also own the zone Summerset.

It's much more likely that Jewelry crafting goes to the basegame and Summerset becomes our most expensive DLC so far at 4000 crowns or more.

Good point, forgot about that first quest. Perhaps they will try to get as much as they can from summerset then.

Nothing base game.

Jewelcrafting for Crowns

Summerset + Psijic Guild DLC

Ermiq · April 2019

Guys, Morrowind is a part of current "ESO Standard" edition, basically a base game.

Yeah, it's different for us, who already have purchased any edition of the game, but for those who are going to buy the game now both Morrowind and Warden are included in the base game ("ESO Standard" on the official ESO web site).
I'm pretty much sure that the same going to happen with Summerset, and we'll get "ESO Standard" (base game, Morrowind+Warden, Summerset+Psijics+Jewelry crafting) and "ESO Elsweyr" (all of the above+Elsweyr).
Also, we'll get Suumerset zone+Psijics as a DLC content for those who have the game already but hadn't purchased Summerset and probably Jewelry crafting as an account expantion (just like Warden currently).

DenMoria · April 2019

Gothlander wrote: »

Even if you don't purchase Elsweyr?

Since it's not part of the base game, that wouldn't make any sense.

At some point, if your ESO+, it will be included in your subscription, but you can still purchase any DLC with crowns or just buy them outright from any of the platform providers.

Ratzkifal · April 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

but the Psijic order and the zone are inseparable, so it needs a higher price tag than even Morrowind and Orsinium, say 4000 or 4500 crowns. But who would pay that much for a DLC that's included in ESO+ anyway?

No. There´s no reason to say it has to be more expensive. I got Thieves´ Guild + Dark Brotherhood + Orsinium + Imperial City as a pack. It is 5500 crowns atm, which is what I have basically from only having ESO+. So apparently ZOS thinks it´s worth it for that crown price tag... I got it on sale, dont remember for how much.

Also they want people to have ESO+ since that is a larger source of revenue over time, which is an additional reason to include more stuff as DLC.

And ofc you cannot expect it, but I would be surprised if they locked large content behind payments that might put people off even buying the game to start with.

I'd say it's pretty reasonable to assume that it would be more expensive. Orsinium and Morrowind are comparable, both have a trial, two public dungeons, dailies, museum etc. Morrowind is a bit larger and thus costs 500 crowns more. Summerset would have all that as well, be the same size as Morrowind but also have the Psijic skills added on top. Sounds pretty reasonable (using ZO$-logic™) that they'd charge at least 500 crowns more for that which brings them to 4000.

Obviously I am hoping that it would be cheaper and that it does end up being part of ESO+, but I'd expect some sort of official statement on that or announcement that chapters will go to ESO+ after a year. So far there is nothing of the sort and what we have right now is only conjecture mixed with wishful thinking.