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Should reset timers be changed/standardized?
daemonios
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Yes, it's another post concerning daily reset timers 
There are 3 concurrent timers going on in ESO right now. For PC-EU:
- 00:00am UTC for the daily login reward reset (there is a countdown in the crown store UI).
- 06:00am UTC for daily quests, including writs, zone dailies, guild dailies, Undaunted pledges, etc.
- Every 20h for certain activities (Akatosh knows why), including horse training, random dungeons/battlegrounds, and some event stuff such as the gold skulls during the Witches Festival event. Of these, the only one that has a countdown timer is horse training (in the character sheet).
[EDIT] As pointed out in the comments below, there are actually more timers involved:
- Fencing limit resets at 3am UTC;
- Trial leaderboards/weekly rewards reset on Sunday evening/Monday morning;
- Daily enlightenment bonus resets at the same time every day, which varies for each player according to when they first but level 50.[/EDIT]
I can understand the daily login rewards resetting at exactly 00:00am, since that makes them coincide with calendar days. But why have a different time for daily quests? If the idea is to have the daily quest reset far away from prime time, why not shift the daily reward reset accordingly for the sake of consistency? Not to mention that every server has players logging in from a number of different time zones, so any particular time will inconvenience someone while being on someone else's sweet spot.
Then there's the 20h reset. I have no words. It's just messy and next to impossible to keep up with unless you log your gaming sessions due to lack of in-game tracking. It causes missed rewards: only able to play a bit later in the day today, and tomorrow you only have the morning free? Say goodbye to tomorrow's reward! The only positive to this system is that you can play it to get rewards more than once a day *on average*, namely by consistently doing whatever action just as the 20h timer is over. But for the majority of players this is inevitably going to clash with your deserved rest, not to mention it forces you to plan your life around the game, which I don't think is healthy at all.
There is also the issue that with timers being all over the place, there is no official information on the subject, as far as I could determine. What there is is a number of threads, which keep being created and sometimes contain wrong or outdated information, and which flood the forums especially around events that rely on said timers.
Given all of the above, my personal opinion is that every single timer should reset at the same time every day, preferably at the same time as the daily login reward, at 00:00am UTC (for PC-EU). As I see it, the pros would include much-needed (and requested by players) consistency, reduced confusion and needless forum threads, and preventing loss of rewards due to inability to play at specific times. The only downside I can think of is that some players who take advantage of the 20h timer to maximize their activities would be down to one per day, but in all honesty the average can't be that far from that. What say you?
Incidentally, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno if you could pitch in with an official position from ZOS I'd be very interested in knowing it.
Edited by daemonios on February 2, 2019 4:43PM There are 3 concurrent timers going on in ESO right now. For PC-EU:
- 00:00am UTC for the daily login reward reset (there is a countdown in the crown store UI).
- 06:00am UTC for daily quests, including writs, zone dailies, guild dailies, Undaunted pledges, etc.
- Every 20h for certain activities (Akatosh knows why), including horse training, random dungeons/battlegrounds, and some event stuff such as the gold skulls during the Witches Festival event. Of these, the only one that has a countdown timer is horse training (in the character sheet).
[EDIT] As pointed out in the comments below, there are actually more timers involved:
- Fencing limit resets at 3am UTC;
- Trial leaderboards/weekly rewards reset on Sunday evening/Monday morning;
- Daily enlightenment bonus resets at the same time every day, which varies for each player according to when they first but level 50.[/EDIT]
I can understand the daily login rewards resetting at exactly 00:00am, since that makes them coincide with calendar days. But why have a different time for daily quests? If the idea is to have the daily quest reset far away from prime time, why not shift the daily reward reset accordingly for the sake of consistency? Not to mention that every server has players logging in from a number of different time zones, so any particular time will inconvenience someone while being on someone else's sweet spot.
Then there's the 20h reset. I have no words. It's just messy and next to impossible to keep up with unless you log your gaming sessions due to lack of in-game tracking. It causes missed rewards: only able to play a bit later in the day today, and tomorrow you only have the morning free? Say goodbye to tomorrow's reward! The only positive to this system is that you can play it to get rewards more than once a day *on average*, namely by consistently doing whatever action just as the 20h timer is over. But for the majority of players this is inevitably going to clash with your deserved rest, not to mention it forces you to plan your life around the game, which I don't think is healthy at all.
There is also the issue that with timers being all over the place, there is no official information on the subject, as far as I could determine. What there is is a number of threads, which keep being created and sometimes contain wrong or outdated information, and which flood the forums especially around events that rely on said timers.
Given all of the above, my personal opinion is that every single timer should reset at the same time every day, preferably at the same time as the daily login reward, at 00:00am UTC (for PC-EU). As I see it, the pros would include much-needed (and requested by players) consistency, reduced confusion and needless forum threads, and preventing loss of rewards due to inability to play at specific times. The only downside I can think of is that some players who take advantage of the 20h timer to maximize their activities would be down to one per day, but in all honesty the average can't be that far from that. What say you?
Incidentally, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno if you could pitch in with an official position from ZOS I'd be very interested in knowing it.
Should reset timers be changed/standardized? 80 votes
Keep the reset timers as they are, they're just fine.
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Keep the reset timers as they are, changing them would have negative impacts.
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I don't care either way.
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Make all reset timers the same time each day.
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Change reset timers in another way (please say how in comments).
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bluebird✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Don't forget daily fence limit resets which is neither of the above
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Mudcrabber✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.If we shifted everything to 3 or 4am UTC I could comfortably get away with logging in just once every two days. But of course the optimal time varies for everyone.0 -
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✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Yes, please! Timers are a total mess in this game-- your analysis says it all, OP. A single reset would be amazing.0 -
SynodicOracle✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.You articulated it perfectly. There's absolutely no reason to have the timers be so messy and inconsistent. 00:00 would be the optimal time.@SynodicOracle
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Keep the reset timers as they are, they're just fine.*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.0 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
I understand you may be perfectly happy with the current rules, but I wonder if you really don't think there are overall advantages to standardising reset timers.
As I said, 20h timers in particular can easily make you miss rewards. Have you never logged in later than usual one day, then be unable to log in the next day except before 20h have passed? If the reset timer were fixed, you would only have to log in once before and after the reset time, regardless of the time of day you are able to play. Countdown timers force you to either be able to log in at specific times, or lose the reward/chance to do the activity.2 -
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✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Plus, there are individual enlightened xp times0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Zos has already found a time that works for them to have some dailies reset. All should reset at the same time. Not some at 20 hours and others at the preset time.
Weeklies should also reset at the same time on a specific day of the week. Zos has actually setup a day for that since PvE leaderboards close on Sunday night NA time and do not start again until the next morning so the weekly reset would be Monday morning at the same time the dailies reset.
It makes sense that way.0 -
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✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
A lot of it has to do with when you can log in. If you're consistent, you're golden on everything. If you play at random times, the timers can really mess with you-- especially the horse training, event timers, and fence resets. I've missed a lot of horse trainings because I've played three or four hours earlier on one toon the day after maintenance delayed my login.0 -
randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.It wouldn't be soooo bad with the timers if every single one had a clear indicator of remaining time.
They don't and I can't see ZOS making the effort (its UI after all) so a single global reset would be awesome.EU PS40 -
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✭Change reset timers in another way (please say how in comments).All dailies should reset at 00:00 UTC and all weeklies should reset at 00:00 UTC on Sunday.1 -
Romo✭✭✭✭Keep the reset timers as they are, changing them would have negative impacts.Well if ur an Aussie... set set all at their 0:00am time.
EST set at their 0:00am time...
Or if ur a selfish Euro 0:00 UTC...
Or just leave it as it is...
Any choice is silly... for someone.
I like the 20 hour horse thing..
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✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.
You're absolutely right, having countdown timers in-game would help a lot. I even mentioned that only the horse training has one, but didn't think to include timers as an option for the poll, and unfortunately can't change it now...randomkeyhits wrote: »It wouldn't be soooo bad with the timers if every single one had a clear indicator of remaining time.
I wonder if you included the "devil" emote because in a sense you realize that playing the 20h timer thing is a bit gimmicky? Not that I think it's not a valid opinion, mind you. But I still think it does more evil than good.I like the 20 hour horse thing..Edited by daemonios on February 2, 2019 4:51PM0 -
Shrinkwrap✭✭✭A timer tab would be a great thing to implement. Why not? Just click and see which timers reset when.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Keep the reset timers as they are, they're just fine.Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
I understand you may be perfectly happy with the current rules, but I wonder if you really don't think there are overall advantages to standardising reset timers.
As I said, 20h timers in particular can easily make you miss rewards. Have you never logged in later than usual one day, then be unable to log in the next day except before 20h have passed? If the reset timer were fixed, you would only have to log in once before and after the reset time, regardless of the time of day you are able to play. Countdown timers force you to either be able to log in at specific times, or lose the reward/chance to do the activity.
Nope. I log in at about 7am US MT every day. I'm retired, I don't have to go anywhere very early. Thank the goddesses.... Days like today, I just miss the training until tomorrow. No huge rush anyway on that.Edited by Sylvermynx on April 9, 2019 11:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Change reset timers in another way (please say how in comments).Most of these are fine, some are weird.
Horse training is based upon your own actions and is affected by ESO+ (Or is it? Haven't trained a horse in a while.), so standardizing it wouldn't be a positive change. Plus, anyone actually able to make use of that 20 hour timer should get to do so.
I notice you didn't mention hireling mails. Not crazy about how a 12-hour timer only actually benefits me if I'm unemployed and turn myself into a complete ESO Zombie. OTOH, not sure there's a better solution than the way it currently is.
Enlightenment is actually kind of a nice reminder of exactly when you hit that cherished milestone. (Of course, in my case, I was already VR10ish when CP was introduced, so my Enlightenment timer is based on the very first time I logged on 3/3/15.) I like it being unique to the player. OTOH, I'm so far past actually having a use for Enlightenment or any XP bonuses at this point that maybe my opinion isn't worth much to newer players.
No reason fencing/laundering should have its own reset. That's just silly.Edited by MasterSpatula on April 9, 2019 11:40PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Shrinkwrap wrote: »A timer tab would be a great thing to implement. Why not? Just click and see which timers reset when.
That would be a huge help. @ZOS_GinaBruno maybe you could pass on this suggestion?Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
I understand you may be perfectly happy with the current rules, but I wonder if you really don't think there are overall advantages to standardising reset timers.
As I said, 20h timers in particular can easily make you miss rewards. Have you never logged in later than usual one day, then be unable to log in the next day except before 20h have passed? If the reset timer were fixed, you would only have to log in once before and after the reset time, regardless of the time of day you are able to play. Countdown timers force you to either be able to log in at specific times, or lose the reward/chance to do the activity.
Nope. I log in at about 7am US MT every day. I'm retired, I don't have to go anywhere very early. Thank the goddesses....
I get that it works for you, but surely you can see how others may not be in a similar situation and could benefit from changes in how timers work?
Take today, for instance. Maintenance was 10h, from 9am to 7pm my time. This is basically the entire day time, and there were issues logging in and staying logged in for the first couple hours after that. If I had kids to put to bed or anything urgent to do in the evening, I would easily have missed some of the timers. As it stands, I wasn't able to train all of my riding skills in the morning, so the timer for that was pushed back to mid-afternoon. I usually do my writs and riding lessons in the morning, so I may miss them tomorrow, or will have the timers pushed back even more. On top of that, tomorrow we in the EU have maintenance again in the morning.
If all timers reset at a fixed time, you'd know you would only have to log in at any time during a given day to do whatever it is you need to do.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.Standardize all the things. That will make it way easier to remember and also to relay to friends and guildmates. The process of explaining reset times and telling folks why they aren't getting anticipated rewards at times is frustrating.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Keep the reset timers as they are, they're just fine.Shrinkwrap wrote: »A timer tab would be a great thing to implement. Why not? Just click and see which timers reset when.
That would be a huge help. @ZOS_GinaBruno maybe you could pass on this suggestion?Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I don't have any issue keeping track of what happens when. There are some possible takeaways here:
1 I'm smarter than everyone else (not at all likely)
2 Everyone else has WAY too much crap going on IRL to pay much attention (90% likely)
3 Everyone else has way too little time to log in regularly so they miss things (80% likely)
4 Most people have no clue about time zones (99% likely) and they don't seem to get that they can look up TZ info on google (+1000% likely)
It's not a problem for me. Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
I understand you may be perfectly happy with the current rules, but I wonder if you really don't think there are overall advantages to standardising reset timers.
As I said, 20h timers in particular can easily make you miss rewards. Have you never logged in later than usual one day, then be unable to log in the next day except before 20h have passed? If the reset timer were fixed, you would only have to log in once before and after the reset time, regardless of the time of day you are able to play. Countdown timers force you to either be able to log in at specific times, or lose the reward/chance to do the activity.
Nope. I log in at about 7am US MT every day. I'm retired, I don't have to go anywhere very early. Thank the goddesses....
I get that it works for you, but surely you can see how others may not be in a similar situation and could benefit from changes in how timers work?
Take today, for instance. Maintenance was 10h, from 9am to 7pm my time. This is basically the entire day time, and there were issues logging in and staying logged in for the first couple hours after that. If I had kids to put to bed or anything urgent to do in the evening, I would easily have missed some of the timers. As it stands, I wasn't able to train all of my riding skills in the morning, so the timer for that was pushed back to mid-afternoon. I usually do my writs and riding lessons in the morning, so I may miss them tomorrow, or will have the timers pushed back even more. On top of that, tomorrow we in the EU have maintenance again in the morning.
If all timers reset at a fixed time, you'd know you would only have to log in at any time during a given day to do whatever it is you need to do.
Quoting myself:Sylvermynx wrote: »Changing it to something else the "majority" thinks better would also not be a problem for me.
In other words, while I'm fine with it the way it is now, if things get changed to suit how others feel it should work, I'll be fine with that too.
Edited by Sylvermynx on April 9, 2019 11:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Make all reset timers the same time each day.In a perfect world(not the game) servers could go down for 45mins-1hr each night for maint. Thwn whwn they come up reset timers. But, we all live in different time zones.0