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ele weapon vs force pulse
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im told by friends that ele weapon + LA puts out much more damage than force pulse spamming.
the problem i have is that whenever i try it, it seems to be such a clunky animation it only kicks in on the LA about 1/3 of the time. so the net dps is less (in fact on a 3 m dummy about 10k less)
does anyone have any tips - i keep getting told to "slow down" - but if i slow down, the 2 second cooldown expires because of the clunkyness! by the time the ele weapon has engaged, about 1 second of it has expired before you can get off the LA anyway - and you cant do anything with that 1 second.
any help / insights appreciated!
the problem i have is that whenever i try it, it seems to be such a clunky animation it only kicks in on the LA about 1/3 of the time. so the net dps is less (in fact on a 3 m dummy about 10k less)
does anyone have any tips - i keep getting told to "slow down" - but if i slow down, the 2 second cooldown expires because of the clunkyness! by the time the ele weapon has engaged, about 1 second of it has expired before you can get off the LA anyway - and you cant do anything with that 1 second.
any help / insights appreciated!
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Vildebill✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
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MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
that might well be the case, im told its all about timing, i just cant seem to get it right - it just feels "clunky" - is that normal?
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zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i find it clunky as its opposite of LA canceling.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.4 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
that might well be the case, im told its all about timing, i just cant seem to get it right - it just feels "clunky" - is that normal?
All mag weaves feel clunky to me. So... yes?7 -
Vildebill✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
that might well be the case, im told its all about timing, i just cant seem to get it right - it just feels "clunky" - is that normal?
Yes it is. Even if it's one of the best DPS spammable skills a lot of people dislike it just because of its clunkiness, me included. Takes a little bit practice to get used to it, but don't expect to like it EU PC1 -
MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
that might well be the case, im told its all about timing, i just cant seem to get it right - it just feels "clunky" - is that normal?
Yes it is. Even if it's one of the best DPS spammable skills a lot of people dislike it just because of its clunkiness, me included. Takes a little bit practice to get used to it, but don't expect to like it
thanks - guess ill persevere... you reacon the best way is literally do nothing else but LA > ELE first? might be worth just doing that on a 3m dummy with nothing else and compare (slow) times
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carlos424✭✭✭✭✭Start with light attack, then ele weapon, just like any other weaving. Seems a little counter intuitive, but thats how it works best. Do it the same as if you were using force pulse. It does seem to hit harder, and more importantly, costs less magicka.1
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✭✭✭✭IzzyStardust wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »its all in the wrist
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Dirty! xD
that was not my intention...
but now that I read it again....
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supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭I found it clunky at first for quite a while tbh, i slot it all the time now and love it, the only time i take it off is if i need crushing shock and then that feels clunky for a few minutes..0 -
Vildebill✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm sorry but I don't think there's any shortcuts here. Practice on the dummy until you get the hang of it. Just use the skill and light attack, nothing else, until you get a good feeling of when to do you light attacks. Start slow and then speed up. You'll be there in no time
that might well be the case, im told its all about timing, i just cant seem to get it right - it just feels "clunky" - is that normal?
Yes it is. Even if it's one of the best DPS spammable skills a lot of people dislike it just because of its clunkiness, me included. Takes a little bit practice to get used to it, but don't expect to like it
thanks - guess ill persevere... you reacon the best way is literally do nothing else but LA > ELE first? might be worth just doing that on a 3m dummy with nothing else and compare (slow) times
Absolutely, if that's what you have a hard time to do, keep practice that one thing to get better at it.EU PC0 -
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✭✭✭✭It does take practice to use, but I personally prefer any other spammable over it, especially in trials. That’s mainly due to my internet spiking in trials, and that causes me to miss some light attacks."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Shawn_PT✭✭✭✭✭
✭This skill feels so awkward to use. I don't like having it on my bar, but since I don't generally play mag, I have mostly avoided it.
Magicka rotations feel awkward to me tbh. On a stamina character I can 'feel' the LAs hitting. On a mag character, it's like shooting fireballs at an enemy or at a wall is the exact same. They don't feel tangible, if you know what I mean. There is no feedback. If I blindly swing a dagger I know I hit something even without looking. If I shoot a flame ball or drop a wall of elements.... am I hitting something? Only the numbers on the screen will let me know. But I suppose that's a matter of practice.
In any case, knowing that 'faster usually means failing that weave' is halfway there.Edited by Shawn_PT on April 9, 2019 12:36PM1 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How I got used to the ele weapon animation was by putting on cheese food & standing in front of a 6mil dummy & just doing LA + ele weapon over & over until it was dead. Took about 4/5 times then I was used to it0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Start with light attack, then ele weapon, just like any other weaving. Seems a little counter intuitive, but thats how it works best. Do it the same as if you were using force pulse. It does seem to hit harder, and more importantly, costs less magicka.
This is the correct answer. Weaving light attacks with EW isn't any harder than with Force Pulse.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE5 -
Kuramas9tails✭✭✭✭✭
✭The noise of the animation just bothers me too much to use it honestly.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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✭✭✭im told by friends that ele weapon + LA puts out much more damage than force pulse spamming.
the problem i have is that whenever i try it, it seems to be such a clunky animation it only kicks in on the LA about 1/3 of the time. so the net dps is less (in fact on a 3 m dummy about 10k less)
does anyone have any tips - i keep getting told to "slow down" - but if i slow down, the 2 second cooldown expires because of the clunkyness! by the time the ele weapon has engaged, about 1 second of it has expired before you can get off the LA anyway - and you cant do anything with that 1 second.
any help / insights appreciated!
ya theres something up with ele weap, gotta like hold light attack for a second to get it to work
@ZOS_BrianWheeler can this be addressed soon?0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Trick is that it is applied not only to the next LA, but to previous LA too, which was flying to target when you started casting. So depending on distance you rely on either.3 -
MJallday✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Trick is that it is applied not only to the next LA, but to previous LA too, which was flying to target when you started casting. So depending on distance you rely on either.
that cant be right can it?
LA 1 > EW > LA2 and your saying it applies to both 1 and 2?
the tooltip states "...causing your next Light Attack used within 2 seconds to deal an additional ..."
since LA1 has already been cast, it isnt the next LA..... and it only applies to 1 anyway?
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iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Trick is that it is applied not only to the next LA, but to previous LA too, which was flying to target when you started casting. So depending on distance you rely on either.
that cant be right can it?
LA 1 > EW > LA2 and your saying it applies to both 1 and 2?
the tooltip states "...causing your next Light Attack used within 2 seconds to deal an additional ..."
since LA1 has already been cast, it isnt the next LA..... and it only applies to 1 anyway?
No. It applies to either
Scenario 1) your LA does not land before ele is cast, la 1 is buffed. Scenario 2) your la lands before ele cast, your next la will be buffed.
Either way, you dont lose out on the buff.6 -
gamerguy757✭✭✭✭✭It is better that Force Pulse.
Best advice I can give is cast LA, then hit Ele, then watch your Toons arm. When the elbow is behind you, cast LA.4 -
NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Really just use LA + EW like you normally use force pulse or any other weave. If you properly LA before every spell EW will always buff something. As others pointed out it will buff an LA you casted before if it hasn't hit the target yet.
Make sure to not button mash either. One click for LA and skill each is all you need. You just need to learn the timing.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kuramas9tails wrote: »The noise of the animation just bothers me too much to use it honestly.
I was complaining about this the other day in guild chat, and someone told me there is an addon called 'STFU elemental weapon' that reduces the sound
I haven't gotten around to using it yet, but it's on ESOUI if you want to check it out. 4 -
lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭Unless it’s force pulse or funnel health LA weaving is clunky on destro staffDC PC NA
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As others have said, the clunkiness comes from the assumption you have to suddenly start 'reverse weaving' -- there is nothing different to weaving EW than any other spammable. It's designed such that it actually teaches you to weave.1 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭Start with light attack, then ele weapon, just like any other weaving. Seems a little counter intuitive, but thats how it works best. Do it the same as if you were using force pulse. It does seem to hit harder, and more importantly, costs less magicka.
This is correct.
There is one other thing to keep in mind which guys like Alcast never mention in their builds. If your Psijic skill line isn't high enough than using Ele Weapon will actually cost more to cast and do less damage than other spammables. I'm not in front of my computer but I think the break even point is level 6 or 7 for the passives.1 -
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✭✭Don't mind using it for stationary parsing, but in a battle it feels clunky and tends to misfire too much. If you miss a weave with Force Pulse, you at least get the pulse damage. With Elemental Weapon, you get nothing. And the annoying whining sound?? No thanks.0 -
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✭✭Elemental weapon is backwards from forcepulse. You cast Elemental then light attack. Forcepulse, you Light Attack the pulse.
The game message tells you to press a skill immediately after light attacking. That won’t do anything til your next light attack with Elemental.0
