Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Population locks aren't the way to go either (aside from server performance related once) all that is required is dynamic scoring based on population. This way people's effort / dedication is still rewarded just weighted against the challenge and amount of players on the server.

Currently 12 ppl playing when no one else plays can make more impact than 60 playing when the servers are full and this simply isn't logical.

Fair enough, should be double AP for 60mins for the factions that have less population combined, with an announcement to all players in the game who are homed to that campaign.

Maybe just do this reward thingo alone in addition with the planned faction locks, people might stop doing pve and queue for cyrodiil if they get notified of double AP for 60mins.

Gilvoth wrote: »

it is noted that you want people to fight and not locked out with no one to fight.
im absolute the devs see that.
but there is more to the story, alot more is happening that causes problems that is the need for faction locks.

i am with you that i want someone to fight and not just all EP standing around with no enemies.
we get it.

but i know for a fact that's not going to happen and it honestly looks like these threads are trying to point to a problem that is not going to happen.
the populations on all three alliances is Huge on both EU and NA

How about just a 60min ap buff for the 2 least populated factions with a world announcement to all players homed in that campaign. Plus add /keep the faction locks.

What about possibly making the gate keeps for a population under 2 bars invulnerable?

This would keep at least a partial amount of their point gain, stop gating, and probably make less players angry; I think that if one population can't steamroll another to their gates it would encourage a bit more healthy gameplay during oceanic, as an example.

I like the idea you're going with, if we get stuck with locks, I just think we need a bit more help than just AP gains. Preventing gating would be pretty nice until a population can fight back. Makes it so people don't log off in frustration and don't log in and then back out because they see they're gated.

Every faction has suffered gating, and I think every faction would appreciate it not happening when they have almost no population on.

Dunno, not a perfect idea, but maybe can start a conversation to add into this as well as to what can be done.

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I actually like being gated lol... don't have to go far for a fight. Don't get to fight there often either.

I'm okay with being gated if there's people who can fight back on. But when it's 3 bars running into the gates of 1 bar and then not being able to get anything back at all...it's kind of lame, and a lot of people just log or don't want anything to do with it. So while it might be fun for others, I think majority really don't like it.

idk wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I think baby sitter solutions to off ours are a bad idea. That is essentially the idea presented in the OP.

It’s a bad idea to say you cannot PvP or your PvP will be restricted during the hours I do not play.

Yeah I realized this, edited the OP.

Cyrodiil already has a low population AP boost. I really do not know what it is or how it has been adjusted over the years, but it is there. I just never really cared if I was getting a low pop boost or now.

That brings up the bigger issue. Players tend to play when they can. Yes, they play more during double AP weeks but it still comes down to when they can.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

What about possibly making the gate keeps for a population under 2 bars invulnerable?

The issue remains that the idea tells people who cannot PvP during the hours you can that their ability to play is limited unless they can somehow wake up the rest of the world to join them in Cyrodiil.

This becomes a much bigger issue in a matter of weeks when faction locks return to Cyrodiil.

No, you don't have to explain that to me, because I agree, and I've been posting almost nonstop on these forums and responding to these thread speaking out very loudly against faction locks. I play in oceanic almost exclusively - I 100% agree that the faction locks are ridiculous because of how limiting they are to players who don't play in the busier hours, and that we're not going to see anyone go anywhere but the 30-day, and the 7-day will stay dead.

If faction locks are going to go through, however, ZoS needs to think these things more through and realize that this is a band-aid to actual issues in Cyrodiil (none of which are linked to cross-faction and I feel like double AP is influencing this decision more than anything).

These solutions to population imbalance revolving around bonuses to APs, rewards, etc,. are bound to fail. If smaller faction is roflstomped the moment it unpacks sieges to take back their own gate keep, then a) its players playing for fun will quit regardless of any bonus, because the game is not fun, and b) its players playing for APs will quit too, because even gigantic bonus to zero base gain, which is zero because they wiped without achievening anything, is also just gigantic zero.

idk wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Cyrodiil already has a low population AP boost. I really do not know what it is or how it has been adjusted over the years, but it is there. I just never really cared if I was getting a low pop boost or now.

Yeah not sure how this works... It needs to be more clear when it gets activated and changed so that it is announced to the world that you can earn more AP.

If I was in PVE or something and got a population notification I'd want to go into cyrodiil for the keep defences as the opponent pushes south, would be fun.

I do not know when it kicks it as I’ve never been concerned with it. Ask in your PvP guild. I’m sure they know.

When campaigns are heavily out of balance it’s more about who is online than anything else.

iirc population is evaluated over a 3h period (used to be 24h) if low population is detected then the buff is applied to the faction which had the low pop for the next evaluation period.

Low population and low score bonuses already exist. If you’re not getting them it’s because you’re not meeting the requirements.

ZOS have proven incapable of fixing already existing content as it relates to pvp for 5 years now. Expecting them to develop, monitor, and balance as needed a new system/feature is beyond unrealistic. Faction locks as a feature already exist even though they've been turned off for years. You think they'd be doing this if they had to do any real work? lol ZOS