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Ridiculous repetitive complaints about PvP
Ysbriel
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Today i want to take a moment to pin out the most ridiculous complaints i've read on this forum, discord, and other ESO related sites and topics:
1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
did the Roman empire push forward because everybody was wearing what they felt was the best? no! if a unit leader decides to have the whole unit equipped in uniformity with the best equipment available well i tip my hat to that smart individual. The only moment you will see a diversity of equipment on a combat unit is if there is a soldier with a particularly designated task within the unit.
2) The Tank is holding block and wont die: and? isn't that what the tank is supposed to do? oh let me guess, somehow you want it to be you and your zerg buddies showed up, everything must die
regardless.
3) The Healer is wearing sets that keep everybody alive: you dont say....
4) The Nightblades are using shadow cloak and ganking: a nightblade came out of the shadows and killed you? almost huh? what did the nightblade do next? oh it kept moving within the shadows huh? maybe because that's what a nightblade does.
5) The (insert stamina built class here) is using a two handed weapon and heavy armor hits hard and i cant kill it: Well that warrior surely did his research pretty well and was smart enough not to enter the battlefield wearing a leather jacket or a robe cause the same thing applies for when people complain about heavy armored magicka builds.
6) Siege weapons hit hard: simply look up siege weapons on your search engine of choice, im not gonna even bother with this one.
8) The Sorcerers and Wardens brought their pets: So no conjurers allowed?
9) People stack on a resource or a hold with their sieges and we can't take it: well ok sorry peeps, the enemy has arrived lets just all move out and let them have their way.
10) Nerf (insert class skill and passive here) This is Tamriel people, a place of Magic, a place with historical powerful Mages and Warriors of might whom have caused plane melds, sunken whole islands, killed dragons, faced daedric lords but (x) skill is OP, nope nerf it ZOS nerf it now or i will cancel my plus.
Most of the nerfs that have been done and continue to be put in place is because people complain about the builds the either couldn't achieve or refused to due to a ridiculous ,narcissist sense of "pride" oh that's just a cookie cutter build, oh i want my unique but obviously useless build to be as great or above to whatever that warrior has. Im not talking about talking about the just spam (x) skill over and over people am talking about people who actually built their character to exceed.
To everybody who has done an almost immortal tank, a mass healing mender, a heavy armored deadly warrior, a fast moving in and out of the shadows, ganking nightblade, i salute thee and thanks for making the battlefield glorious. Exept you treehuggers and LoS heroes , it was fun at first to chase you around but now its old and boring so please come up with something new to make the chase fun once more.
1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
did the Roman empire push forward because everybody was wearing what they felt was the best? no! if a unit leader decides to have the whole unit equipped in uniformity with the best equipment available well i tip my hat to that smart individual. The only moment you will see a diversity of equipment on a combat unit is if there is a soldier with a particularly designated task within the unit.
2) The Tank is holding block and wont die: and? isn't that what the tank is supposed to do? oh let me guess, somehow you want it to be you and your zerg buddies showed up, everything must die
regardless.
3) The Healer is wearing sets that keep everybody alive: you dont say....
4) The Nightblades are using shadow cloak and ganking: a nightblade came out of the shadows and killed you? almost huh? what did the nightblade do next? oh it kept moving within the shadows huh? maybe because that's what a nightblade does.
5) The (insert stamina built class here) is using a two handed weapon and heavy armor hits hard and i cant kill it: Well that warrior surely did his research pretty well and was smart enough not to enter the battlefield wearing a leather jacket or a robe cause the same thing applies for when people complain about heavy armored magicka builds.
6) Siege weapons hit hard: simply look up siege weapons on your search engine of choice, im not gonna even bother with this one.
8) The Sorcerers and Wardens brought their pets: So no conjurers allowed?
9) People stack on a resource or a hold with their sieges and we can't take it: well ok sorry peeps, the enemy has arrived lets just all move out and let them have their way.
10) Nerf (insert class skill and passive here) This is Tamriel people, a place of Magic, a place with historical powerful Mages and Warriors of might whom have caused plane melds, sunken whole islands, killed dragons, faced daedric lords but (x) skill is OP, nope nerf it ZOS nerf it now or i will cancel my plus.
Most of the nerfs that have been done and continue to be put in place is because people complain about the builds the either couldn't achieve or refused to due to a ridiculous ,narcissist sense of "pride" oh that's just a cookie cutter build, oh i want my unique but obviously useless build to be as great or above to whatever that warrior has. Im not talking about talking about the just spam (x) skill over and over people am talking about people who actually built their character to exceed.
To everybody who has done an almost immortal tank, a mass healing mender, a heavy armored deadly warrior, a fast moving in and out of the shadows, ganking nightblade, i salute thee and thanks for making the battlefield glorious. Exept you treehuggers and LoS heroes , it was fun at first to chase you around but now its old and boring so please come up with something new to make the chase fun once more.
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Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭a lot of your points here make an argument from a point of "realism", not, y'know...video game balance.
all i can say is I'm glad you're not a game designer.
1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
did the Roman empire push forward because everybody was wearing what they felt was the best? no! if a unit leader decides to have the whole unit equipped in uniformity with the best equipment available well i tip my hat to that smart individual. The only moment you will see a diversity of equipment on a combat unit is if there is a soldier with a particularly designated task within the unit.
this one got a laugh out of me though. i only hope you can see the hypocrisy in calling everyone else rediculous and yet you're spouting nonsense like this.
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- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
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- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Brilliantly written! One I would add that you didn't mention that always gives me a good laugh:
"I can't 1vX because of reasons... I'm supposed to be able to kill hordes on my own due to my awesomeness!""It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard4 -
Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile, Necromancers are waiting patiently in the graveyards ready to collect the tears and bodies of the original classes.5 -
SosRuvaak✭✭✭✭✭people who drop down to 5% hp and dont go lower no matter the damage they take from multiple sources are part of the problem. people dont come to this game to play the most powerful meta, people like variety.
i dont play a sorc and i wont ever, even when they shield stacked beyond comprehension, it was not a class i desired.
people complain about what is affective, and right now nightblades are really good at weaving in and out of combat while adding damage. theres gonna be a meta, but not everyone is going to be using it. *** wont work without variety, but variety has a consequence of a responsibility to balance, because this isnt IRL where its VERY hard to be the most powerful person around. The comparison to IRL and this game through pvp balance shouldn't be made.
the lag is one of the biggest issues for everything and everyone, if they made pvp more smooth it would certainly help people combat against the worst of the bs throughout PvP
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✭As a healer who plan to PvP to farm alliance level and skill point, I'm interesting on this point :3) The Healer is wearing sets that keep everybody alive: you dont say....
If you know the set combo to heal w/o be oom in few heal who give almost 0 hp i'm all ear ![ PC EU ]
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Bergzorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agreed on point 7.no CP PvP PC/EU
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Nermy✭✭✭✭✭Excellent read. Made me laugh-out-loud...@Nermy
Ex-Leader of The Wabbajack [EU EP PvP guild - Now stood down from active duty]BLOOD FOR THE PACT!!!
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The thing is, I don't really agree on the other points, at least not in depth.
But instead of writing an elaborate essay, I just exploited the brilliant decision of OP to forego point 7 so all the trolls and lazy sceptics would flock to this 'flaw'. Well played, @Ysbriel.no CP PvP PC/EU
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visionality✭✭✭✭✭Clearly a baiting thread, anyways a reply to a few of the topics you are raising:
Stupid comparison. Ofc there will be a standard equipment for a certain type of soldiers, but you wont see an aircraft pilot running around in the gear of a marine or vice versa. Same should be true in ESO, but it isnt.1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
If I (insert stamina built class here) am using a two handed weapon and an intelligently chosen medium armor and the heavy-armor-guy is doing the same or more damage while also having more health and ressistance, the complaint is obviously correct. Assuming player skills are equal and nobody is making a stupid mistake, both players should be unable to kill each other. What the heavy-armor-guy gains in health and resistances, he should loose in damage, healing and regeneration. This is obviously not true with the current state of the game.5) The (insert stamina built class here) is using a two handed weapon and heavy armor hits hard and i cant kill it: Well that warrior surely did his research pretty well and was smart enough not to enter the battlefield wearing a leather jacket or a robe cause the same thing applies for when people complain about heavy armored magicka builds.
Pets are problematic for two reasons atm: Players surrounding themselves with pets are pretty much out of reach as long as they move halfway cleverly - 50% of your hits will land on a pet even when you clearly target the caster, due to ZOS' poor targeting. Add environment which forces the pets to stack closely around the caster (e.g. a ledge on a rock) and those numbers easily climb up to 70-80%. Second: Sorc pets and the warden bear are - imo - OP in such as they are one-time-casts with theoretically infinite return. This is as if I casted one force pulse and it would continue casting without additional costs. Obviously wrong. (And yes, I know that you have to expend some ressources if you want to activate your pets' special skills, but even if you dont, they do damage - completely for free after the initial cast)8) The Sorcerers and Wardens brought their pets: So no conjurers allowed?
Totally disagree. Ppl choose a character because they want to play in a certain way. Ranged or melee, fast paced or heavily blocking, with pet or without. Then ZOS changes the basic rules of that character class and all of a sudden they find themselves at a massive disadvantage unless they start to play exactly the way they wanted to avoid. Thats why they complain.Most of the nerfs that have been done and continue to be put in place is because people complain about the builds they [...] refused to due to a ridiculous ,narcissist sense of "pride"
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's repetitive because its true. Ever notice multiple different people complain about the same thing, and if the problem isn't addressed the population in PvP starts to alter centered around what's being complained about on the forums?
Examples? Ice staff, scattershot when it was broken (everyone and their mama started using it, even mag builds), Earthgore, invis pots/cloak or stealth in general, lethal arrow, etc.
Or maybe that's where your observations conveniently terminate.0 -
Att1Tude✭✭✭In the name of flying [Snip] what did i just read.
[Edit to remove profanity]Edited by [Deleted User] on April 6, 2019 6:44PMPC-EU
How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭1st one is so stupid, you can get more credit if you remove that. Others can make sense depending point of view.0 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The whole “people using the same sets” is kinda more BS here. Stam? Maybe. Stamina players don’t get the most variety of sets that work well in pvp compared to magicka builds. Us magicka peeps have a lot we can work with set-wise, either it be damage or sustain. Not sure where you got that idea.
As for people complaining that a person can kite/tank 15 people spamming all their skills on them and barely take damage, that’s a valid complaint. But unkillable tanks aren’t as bad as they used to be. Just ask any older pvper about the Reactive, Blackrose heavy armor set, and Malubeth.
However, the unkillable complaints mostly revolve around ball groups. Yes, it is one way to pvp, but they’re hard to counter. Healers can completely outheal the incoming damage and whatnot. At least half the group runs purge. And let’s not forget the spin2win dawnbreaker people. Bless the spin2win nerf incoming tho."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for this. I don't agree with all of it but the majority is spot-on. All I've experienced in PVP lately is lag, exploits and drama. Good times!0 -
Meesha1170✭✭✭✭I play a Nightblade main and there has been constant complaining about how OP they are and it makes me feel like a bad player because I get wrecked a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I serve up my share of corpses but no where near enough that I feel like my class should get buried. Anyway I have never complained about any class’ abilities because it makes me feel cheap to do so.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭#1 is one of the major factors behind the dominance of large organized raids. They have enough members that their players can specialize into different roles and wear a diversity of sets.
Smaller groups and PUG raids simply can't specialize in the same way.0 -
Vizikul✭✭✭✭So, when other people complain about class/ armor imbalance it's just a "learn to play/ adapt and overcome issue" but when you face a tree hugger/ LoS hero/ tryhard-circle-runner it's a legit complaint? Nah, mate!Pugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
Breton Templar --- female, magicka, light armor, restoration staff.
Redguard Warden --- female, stamina, medium armor, bow.
Breton Sorcerer --- male, magicka, light armor, destruction staff.
Imperial Templar --- male, stamina, medium armor, two handed.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Today i want to take a moment to pin out the most ridiculous complaints i've read on this forum, discord, and other ESO related sites and topics:
1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
did the Roman empire push forward because everybody was wearing what they felt was the best? no! if a unit leader decides to have the whole unit equipped in uniformity with the best equipment available well i tip my hat to that smart individual. The only moment you will see a diversity of equipment on a combat unit is if there is a soldier with a particularly designated task within the unit.
2) The Tank is holding block and wont die: and? isn't that what the tank is supposed to do? oh let me guess, somehow you want it to be you and your zerg buddies showed up, everything must die
regardless.
3) The Healer is wearing sets that keep everybody alive: you dont say....
4) The Nightblades are using shadow cloak and ganking: a nightblade came out of the shadows and killed you? almost huh? what did the nightblade do next? oh it kept moving within the shadows huh? maybe because that's what a nightblade does.
5) The (insert stamina built class here) is using a two handed weapon and heavy armor hits hard and i cant kill it: Well that warrior surely did his research pretty well and was smart enough not to enter the battlefield wearing a leather jacket or a robe cause the same thing applies for when people complain about heavy armored magicka builds.
6) Siege weapons hit hard: simply look up siege weapons on your search engine of choice, im not gonna even bother with this one.
8) The Sorcerers and Wardens brought their pets: So no conjurers allowed?
9) People stack on a resource or a hold with their sieges and we can't take it: well ok sorry peeps, the enemy has arrived lets just all move out and let them have their way.
10) Nerf (insert class skill and passive here) This is Tamriel people, a place of Magic, a place with historical powerful Mages and Warriors of might whom have caused plane melds, sunken whole islands, killed dragons, faced daedric lords but (x) skill is OP, nope nerf it ZOS nerf it now or i will cancel my plus.
Most of the nerfs that have been done and continue to be put in place is because people complain about the builds the either couldn't achieve or refused to due to a ridiculous ,narcissist sense of "pride" oh that's just a cookie cutter build, oh i want my unique but obviously useless build to be as great or above to whatever that warrior has. Im not talking about talking about the just spam (x) skill over and over people am talking about people who actually built their character to exceed.
To everybody who has done an almost immortal tank, a mass healing mender, a heavy armored deadly warrior, a fast moving in and out of the shadows, ganking nightblade, i salute thee and thanks for making the battlefield glorious. Exept you treehuggers and LoS heroes , it was fun at first to chase you around but now its old and boring so please come up with something new to make the chase fun once more.
Excellent post and I agree with nearly everything you posted here.
Most PvP complaints can be summed up this way: "It's stopping me from being able to zerg you to death in seconds - therefore it's OP and needs to be nerfed!"
That is basically the way of it.Edited by Jeremy on April 6, 2019 4:20PM2 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My repetitive PvP complaint is to fix break free. This is also a repetitive PvE complaint.
We can actually all get behind this one.Fear is the Mindkiller4 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is just a way over simplification of a lot of issues. Balance in PvP isn’t al that far off between classes at then moment and we didn’t get there by just saying *** it.0 -
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Yes sometimes you can not break free / roll dodge even with full stamina this can even happen against overland mobs in dlc.NordSwordnBoard wrote: »My repetitive PvP complaint is to fix break free. This is also a repetitive PvE complaint.
We can actually all get behind this one.
And standard stuff like frozenGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is just a way over simplification of a lot of issues. Balance in PvP isn’t al that far off between classes at then moment and we didn’t get there by just saying *** it.
This game's PvP is no more "balanced" then a year ago if you ask me. It's the same old story - just different people telling it.
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes sometimes you can not break free / roll dodge even with full stamina this can even happen against overland mobs in dlc.NordSwordnBoard wrote: »My repetitive PvP complaint is to fix break free. This is also a repetitive PvE complaint.
We can actually all get behind this one.
And standard stuff like frozen
I think that's basically just lag. It's just more pronounced with "break free" because those are usually do or die moments so when the action doesn't register it leaves an impression. Just one more reason why having copious amounts of this CC garbage all over the place is a bad idea.Edited by Jeremy on April 6, 2019 5:00PM1 -
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✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Brilliantly written! One I would add that you didn't mention that always gives me a good laugh:
"I can't 1vX because of reasons... I'm supposed to be able to kill hordes on my own due to my awesomeness!"
Usually it's someone complaining that they lose an outnumbered fight because the enemies are using something that requires 0 skill. And I have to agree, a more skilled player shouldn't lose to multiple far less skilled players just because they all equip bleed/oblivion and proc sets that skill can't counter. But that's just the way the game is I guess.
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1) Everybody will be using the same sets or heavy armor, seriously? when is the last time that you served in the military? there is something called "standard equipment" that soldiers will have.
did the Roman empire push forward because everybody was wearing what they felt was the best? no! if a unit leader decides to have the whole unit equipped in uniformity with the best equipment available well i tip my hat to that smart individual. The only moment you will see a diversity of equipment on a combat unit is if there is a soldier with a particularly designated task within the unit.
you're spouting nonsense like this.
nothing he said was nonsense, he was right on and direct truth on every single point.
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