Is my DPS to low ?

kylewwefan · April 2019

The biggest problem I had at low level wasn’t how much damage I could put out, but the damage I take. It’s a lot. Makes doing vet stuff way more challenging.

Sounds like you need to get your toon leveled up a bit still though. Go run through all the public dungeons for group event skill point; all dungeons 1&2 for skill points. Mages guild. Psijic Skill line. Undaunted. Do a little Cyrodil. Get your rapids. Battlegrounds etc.

Just do normal. Honestly, it felt quite appropriate for my toon at cp 200 and below. Try and do a Vet here and there to get a monster set.

Honestly, you’re not at a position yet to really be worrying about DPS.

Juhasow · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Really ? Explain that parse then @Grianasteri. All sets used are from base game here. Necropotence+infallible aether+slimecraw. No back bar used at all , self buffed parse , mostly heavy attack spam. "rotation" that 6 years old kid could master in 15 minutes. You can do that rotation with 1 hand while keeping the cup of tea in other.

So clearly that is not just spamming pets is it, which was the claim made. Its using self buffs, its using ultimates, its using heavy attacks, its using other skills.

About half the damage is coming from elsewhere, not pets. So I rest my case, thanks.

PS4 players do not have access to such analytics, its not possible for me to check my own or guildies results like that, which is a real shame, I do wish ZOS would sort soemthing out for console players.

Regards,
G

Person You've been quoting earlier never said about just spamming pets. He said about "one bar petsorc". If You dont know the meaning of that term then that's on You. Actually ~55% of the dmg was coming from pets. Atro ulti is also a pet btw. Pets alone did almost 20k DPS in that parse and with proper CP distribution , buffs , different monster set etc it would be more.

You said quote :
"An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k."

That is totally not true so as the @T3hasiangod said do the reasearch.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2019

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

I think that some of you are a little bit over the top with their DPS numbers. I am 100% sure that nobody can hit 10k-12k DPS with the passive I've posted in the link, the gear I've listed and 198CP with only light attacks.

My DPs rotation might not be perfect but I still keep Curse, liquid lit, blockade up with almost no downtime then I spam Crushing Shock with frag on proc while animation canceling light attack in between every skill cast.

Sure a tons of player are probably better at it but with the set-up that I have listed I don't believe that anyone hit 12k only weaving light attack.

Yeah 800CP + 50k mag sorc might be, I have no idea but not lowby like my sorc.

That or my DPS meter is broken.

@david_m_18b16_ESO

Absolutely. At 200ish CP with your gear, you probably arent going to break 10k with a light attack spam. With meta gear at max CP you will. You can break 20k with a little tweaking; people have cleared VMA with a LA spam just to show off. Remember, light attacks can also proc certain sets and will also proc enchants, so its not just the light attack damage. For example, in meta gear, I am going to get 3500ish DPS from both my enchant and my monster set, so you are at 7 (perhaps a bit more) right there. If you combine something like Relequen and Torugs pact, you add another proc and increase the enchant damage. So yes, when people talk about what a light attack spam is capable of, certainly take it with a little grain of salt.

That said, nobody wants to admit their rotation is the problem. It's far easier to blame a lack of gear or CP. The reality, however, is that is a very self defeating line of reasoning. You can certainly break 30k at 160 CP with purple crafted gear if your rotation is on point. I did it on my NB on my alt account, with no trial or VMA weapons. Also, that was probably 8 months ago. Damage is certainly higher now. Are you going to break 50? No, but nobody is saying you need to for vet content (although it sure does help, and its not an unreasonable goal).

I highly suggest you go kill a 3 million health dummy (no point in going to a 6 mil until you are over 40k IMO) and post your combat metrics parse. I bet we can spot a few obvious tweaks for you. The most fundamental benchmark on an CM fight recap is Light attacks per second. You will have numbers for both, so its just simple division (make sure to include front and back bar LAs). The best of the best will be at .93-.95. I sit right around .88-.90 most of the times and that will still pull mid 50's on a 6 mill. You can also look at things like the length of time between frag procs and that sort of thing. Sorcs are the most RNG dependent in terms of rotation of any class, but for example, if you are letting 10 seconds pass between procs, you are sitting on them.

kylewwefan wrote: »

The biggest problem I had at low level wasn’t how much damage I could put out, but the damage I take. It’s a lot. Makes doing vet stuff way more challenging.

Sounds like you need to get your toon leveled up a bit still though. Go run through all the public dungeons for group event skill point; all dungeons 1&2 for skill points. Mages guild. Psijic Skill line. Undaunted. Do a little Cyrodil. Get your rapids. Battlegrounds etc.

Just do normal. Honestly, it felt quite appropriate for my toon at cp 200 and below. Try and do a Vet here and there to get a monster set.

Honestly, you’re not at a position yet to really be worrying about DPS.

You make a good point. at 200 CP, vet content is going to be a struggle if you dont already know it to some degree. My Alt account (which I kinda gave up on) is at 200ish CP. Immediately at 160, I crafted Purple Julianos gear, bought spriggans to pair with it, and jumped straight into VMA for kicks. The damage wasnt really the issue. I could nuke things that needed to be nuked. At 160 CP in today's meta, we have more DPS than we did when VMA launched. The issue was sustain and damage taken. Your Blue tree is very front loaded. The difference between 0-300 CP is bigger than 300-810. I certainly dont think there is anything wrong with stating that you should avoid vet until about 300 CP. Saying you need to wait until your capped is certainly unnecessary.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2019

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

SaltySudd wrote: »

What class/CP are you?

Sorc
cp198
All magicka
link to skill build: https://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build-planer/#f2,r8,c2,84:1,86:3,87:2,88:2,89:2,90:2,311:1,313:1,317:1,321:2,487:1,490:1,504:2,512:1,516:1,517:1,525:1,526:2,534:1,538:1,540:1,543:1,546:1,671:1;311:313:490:525:512:487;540:543:516:512:317:671;14;64,0,0;0,0,0;;0,0,0;14,14;

@david_m_18b16_ESO

My CP aren't in the build link but I've followed the alt cast guide on non pet magicka sorc. I'm working on Psijic skill now. I don't have much sorc skill since I have capped almost everythign in every craft.

I want to touch on a few obvious things to think about with your bar setup. First, lets talk Meta (ish) sorc bars at the moment for max DPS, and then compare to yours. You certainly dont have to copy and past these bars, just some things to think about:

Front Bar: Elemental Weapon, Frags, Mages Wrath, Twlight Matriarch, Daedric Prey, Meteor

Back Bar: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Channeled Acceleration/Rearming Trap, Twilight, Flex (shield, elemental drain), Attro Ult.

-First you will notice that there are two psijic line skills. Elemental Weapon is a better spammable than force pulse, and force pulse is more damage than Crushing shock, but the difference is not earth shattering. Also, on any DPS build, you are going to see channeled acceleration or rearming trap. We slot this for the minor force buff, which is very strong (so strong that magic toons slot a stamina skill, trap, to get it). Channeled acceleration is my recommendation for actual content, but on a dummy, or if you know you can stay in melee range, trap is more DPS.

-You also dont slot an execute (mages wrath). I will say, that a sorc has the weakest PVE execute of the bunch, but it does still merit a slot if you are trying to maximize damage. If you are looking for second flex spot to run something like power surge, this is what I would flex.

-Pets and Curse: If you are running pets, you should run the other morph of haunting curse, Daedric prey to buff your pet damage. I also HIGHLY recommend you slot the twlight matriarch over the volatile familiar. That would have been a laughable statement even a few months ago, but the matriarch is really strong and you dont even need to cast it. My matriarch does almost 9k ST DPS just for having it slotted and active (yes I am in meta gear and cap CP). You also have wonderful oh crap button if you need it for you or your group. It really is a great heal. I would also move your Daedric prey to your front bar. Its shorter duration so its easier to keep up.

-Elemental Blockade really should be on your back bar. For one, at some point you very well may get a VMA staff, which basically makes this a requirement because you want to back bar the staff. Also, from a buff duration standpoint, it fits better there, as its close to Liquid lighting. Most importanly, ground based weapon skills (Blockade and Hail) proc your back bar enchants on cooldown. When you really get the hang of things, you will want to play a rotation dynamically (juggle all buffs independently and simply cast them all on cooldown). When learning, get in the habit of quickly putting down your 2 back bar ground dots, and get back to your front bar. You can cast Trap every other rotation or channeled acceleration every third rotation.

-Ultimates: Your best single target ultimate is the attro. It also is a source of Major Berzerk for your teammates, which is an insane buff. So insane that sorcs are used as secondary trial healers sometimes, simply to get more Major Berzerk in the group. You can certainly slot the destro ult on your back bar for AOE/trash fights and front bar the attro. But best DPS is to front bar meteor (for the magic passives), and back bar the attro.

-Power surge: This is a very handy skill, especially in places like VMA, but its not your best friend for maximizing damage. I question whether you are getting a sorce of major prophecy in your build. You want to be sure you get both major sorcery (spell damage, comes from surge) and major propchecy( Spell crit, comes from inner light) in your build. The easy to also get both is spell power potions. If running Spell pots and the twilight, there is no real reason to run surge as you have both a nice heal and major sorcery. One obvious tweak you could make to avoid pots from the meta bars is to slot inner light in place of your execute on the front bar (you spend most of your time there), and slot power surge in pace of trap/channeled acceleration on your back bar. This ensures both of these crucial buffs, and doesnt require potions. So for example if you want a little more beginner friendly build that doesnt require pots or the psijic skill line:

Front Bar: Force Pulse, Frags, Innerlight, Twlight Matriarch, Daedric Prey, Attro

Back Bar: Liquid Lighting, Elemental Blockade, Power Surge, Twilight, Flex (shield in combat, elemental drain if solo parsing on a dummy), Elemental Rage.

Your rotation would be something like. Power Surge, LA>liquid Lighting, LA>Elemental Blockade, Swap, LA>Daedric Prey, FP/Fragsx6, Swap Repeat (power surge every third rotation). As you get more comfortable, you can start juggling buffs more independently.

DPS is a game of inches in this game. None of these changes in isolation are going to blow you away, but they all add up over time.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

no offense thou....but you get 8-10k alone when just spamming Lightattacks

Seriously, that simply isnt true for most players.

An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k.

What you said also isnt true. If all the above things you mentioned are in fact decent, you will be well north of 20k on any class. If you arent, than at least one of the things you listed aint happening. 99% of the time, it's rotation. Rotation is WAYYYYYYYY more important than gear.

I agree that rotation is one of the most important factors regarding dps, it is rotation and skill selection that took me from 10 - 14k dps to well over 30k.

I think its easy to get mixed up in semantics, what I deem generally as "decent" you may have a different idea of what this constitutes. To me decent means average, run of the mill.

To expand on my point, it is the case that the average player, i.e by that we mean the majority of players in ESO, only do around 10k to maybe 15k dps, give or take. This is fairly well established. Many of these average players will already be roughly running a build and rotation taken from a content provider like Alcast or xynode... yet they are still only pulling in around 10k dps. Ive seen an 810 CP players running a build and rotation, STILL only able to pull in 12k+ dps. So it seems fairly clear that it is not easy to do, getting a fast efficient rotation takes time and effort.

Frankly I get fed up with people on these forums, most of whom will be experienced, higher level players, carping on about how easy it is to hit over 20k dps, or 30k dps, or 40k dps. Folk may mean well but its just not accurate.

I mean people pretending you can break 10k - 15k just using light attacks, or just using pets, what planet are these folk on? I feel like a lot of folk forget what it was like to be new, to be inexperienced and trying to learn. It was not so long ago I was trying to reach 20k dps and I would see folk saying it was easy and critical if you couldnt etc, how does that make a newer player feel?

That is the whole damn point of what I am saying. Your average player can usually acquire acceptable gear, and has the raw intelligence to copy and paste a reasonable build from alcasts site. The problem is, these players havent spent the time and effort it takes to establish a passable rotation. That is the hard part. I assume players coming to the forums looking for advice are wanting to push past that, and the answer almost universally is, your rotation is GARBAGE. Rotation is a sliding scale. If you are pulling 10k, it sucks skeever balls. If you are doing 25-30, you have a decent handle on it. If you are breaking 50, its on lock. It's not a binary pass fail test, but at 10k, you are failing at that aspect of the game, period.

And yes, you can break 10k With just a light attack spam. Just standing there, my twlight does 9k, assuming I do two (very simple) things. Keep up spell pots, and have a reasonable uptime on curse. So if all you did was spam light attacks, cast Daedric prey every 6 seconds, and drink a potion every 45 seconds, and assuming I am in meta gear at max CP, I am going to get roughly the following: Probably north of 10k from just the LA damage, A few K from Dadric Prey, 3500 from an enchant proc, 3500 from my monster set, and 8-9k from my pet. Certainly north of 20k.

If I add one thing, a back bar elemental blockade, I just added close to another 10k. I now am getting 5-6K from blockade, and another 3500 from my back bar enchant (100% back bar blockade uptime ensures 100% back bar enchant uptime). I also get another 2k or so if its a VMA staff. Take it one step further and cast an ultimate once every 45 seconds or so, throw in another 3-4k.

So when people say it's simple to pull 20-30k, at max CP, it's because frankly it is. If you are at max CP and have decent gear, and you arent breaking into that territory, your rotation is either non-existent, executed poorly, or you are trying to do too much for you ability. I always advise people to start simple and then expand their rotation incrementally. I will certainly not sit here and say that pulling 50k is simple, but it is doable with practice. I am pushing 40 years old and my fingers certainly dont move like they used to. My days of pushing scores are behind me. That said, if I can do it, most people can too with a little effort.

Also, the rotation I am describing is meant to be a spring board into complex rotations. If you goal is to break 30k and nothing more, you could teach a cap CP gibbon to do it on a single bar pet sorc build, assuming you could get the gibbon to practice for a few hours. The ceiling is much lower, but there are TONS of ways to get into the 25-30k range that dont require a dynamic rotation, perfect weave, or meta trial gear.

Might have got a little carried away on this one... Haha

ATreeGnome · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

no offense thou....but you get 8-10k alone when just spamming Lightattacks

Seriously, that simply isnt true for most players.

An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k.

I will grant that someone could have good gear and a good build and still pull low DPS but if a rotation is giving you 10k DPS it is, by definition, not a decent rotation. And don't get me wrong, 10k DPS is sufficient for what a lot of players want to do and that's fine. But I don't think it's fair to let people think that their rotation is decent if they're pulling 10k DPS. If someone wants better DPS they will gain far more by focusing on their rotation than anything else in the game.

Rontabs77 · April 2019

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

SaltySudd wrote: »

What class/CP are you?

Sorc
cp198
All magicka
link to skill build: https://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build-planer/#f2,r8,c2,84:1,86:3,87:2,88:2,89:2,90:2,311:1,313:1,317:1,321:2,487:1,490:1,504:2,512:1,516:1,517:1,525:1,526:2,534:1,538:1,540:1,543:1,546:1,671:1;311:313:490:525:512:487;540:543:516:512:317:671;14;64,0,0;0,0,0;;0,0,0;14,14;

My CP aren't in the build link but I've followed the alt cast guide on non pet magicka sorc. I'm working on Psijic skill now. I don't have much sorc skill since I have capped almost everythign in every craft.

Here you go @david_m_18b16_ESO , you might pick up something from this video:

Magicka Pet Sorc 35K DPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63e-uYRCxvE

Grianasteri · April 2019

ATreeGnome wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

no offense thou....but you get 8-10k alone when just spamming Lightattacks

Seriously, that simply isnt true for most players.

An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k.

I will grant that someone could have good gear and a good build and still pull low DPS but if a rotation is giving you 10k DPS it is, by definition, not a decent rotation. And don't get me wrong, 10k DPS is sufficient for what a lot of players want to do and that's fine. But I don't think it's fair to let people think that their rotation is decent if they're pulling 10k DPS. If someone wants better DPS they will gain far more by focusing on their rotation than anything else in the game.

But the rotations I am talking about often come directly from content providers who show huge dps results from that rotation. Someone can follow a good build and rotation, and still only put out 10 - 15k dps. Thats the point I am trying to make, Im not making it up, its reality for a lot of players.

Grianasteri · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Really ? Explain that parse then @Grianasteri. All sets used are from base game here. Necropotence+infallible aether+slimecraw. No back bar used at all , self buffed parse , mostly heavy attack spam. "rotation" that 6 years old kid could master in 15 minutes. You can do that rotation with 1 hand while keeping the cup of tea in other.

So clearly that is not just spamming pets is it, which was the claim made. Its using self buffs, its using ultimates, its using heavy attacks, its using other skills.

About half the damage is coming from elsewhere, not pets. So I rest my case, thanks.

PS4 players do not have access to such analytics, its not possible for me to check my own or guildies results like that, which is a real shame, I do wish ZOS would sort soemthing out for console players.

Regards,
G

Person You've been quoting earlier never said about just spamming pets. He said about "one bar petsorc". If You dont know the meaning of that term then that's on You. Actually ~55% of the dmg was coming from pets. Atro ulti is also a pet btw. Pets alone did almost 20k DPS in that parse and with proper CP distribution , buffs , different monster set etc it would be more.

You said quote :
"An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k."

That is totally not true so as the @T3hasiangod said do the reasearch.

I'll openly admit I had no idea what "one bar pet sorc" meant. So I take that one on the chin. It seemed to me they were saying it was possible to put out only pets on a single bar and pull 30k + dps, which it isnt.

Personally I would not count an ultimate as a pet, but if thats an accepted norm, fair enough I again stand corrected and happy to say so.

I said about half the damage was coming from elsewhere, not pets. So if you say 55% came from pets, then my statement is accurate.

Regarding 10k dps, I stand by what I have said. There are countless players running what are established builds, with established rotations, still pulling in well below 20k, many averaging around 10 - 15k dps. I mean Im not making that up for the hell of it. Getting that rotation right, with the timing, with weaving LA, its hard, particularly on consoles. Many folk struggle with it, its taken me lots of hard work and practice to break into 30k + dps, while still basically using the same build and rotation I was when I was only doing like 12 - 14k dps. I think, from memory, I changed only one skill. The increase has mainly come from speed and consistency of rotation.

I think I have read elsewhere that pulling in 40k+ dps puts someone in or around the top 10%. 50 - 60k dps is the top 1% of players. So when I say an average player, or a decent player, I am not talking about folk doing over 30k dps, because to me it seems that is well above average. I think I recall someone saying well over half the player base does only about 10k or less, so statistically that would mean the average player is doing about 10-15k. This is my point, if thats the base line then decent players, average players, whatever terminology one wishes to use, are still only pulling in 10 - 15k dps.

Juhasow · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Really ? Explain that parse then @Grianasteri. All sets used are from base game here. Necropotence+infallible aether+slimecraw. No back bar used at all , self buffed parse , mostly heavy attack spam. "rotation" that 6 years old kid could master in 15 minutes. You can do that rotation with 1 hand while keeping the cup of tea in other.

So clearly that is not just spamming pets is it, which was the claim made. Its using self buffs, its using ultimates, its using heavy attacks, its using other skills.

About half the damage is coming from elsewhere, not pets. So I rest my case, thanks.

PS4 players do not have access to such analytics, its not possible for me to check my own or guildies results like that, which is a real shame, I do wish ZOS would sort soemthing out for console players.

Regards,
G

Person You've been quoting earlier never said about just spamming pets. He said about "one bar petsorc". If You dont know the meaning of that term then that's on You. Actually ~55% of the dmg was coming from pets. Atro ulti is also a pet btw. Pets alone did almost 20k DPS in that parse and with proper CP distribution , buffs , different monster set etc it would be more.

You said quote :
"An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k."

That is totally not true so as the @T3hasiangod said do the reasearch.

I'll openly admit I had no idea what "one bar pet sorc" meant. So I take that one on the chin. It seemed to me they were saying it was possible to put out only pets on a single bar and pull 30k + dps, which it isnt.

Personally I would not count an ultimate as a pet, but if thats an accepted norm, fair enough I again stand corrected and happy to say so.

I said about half the damage was coming from elsewhere, not pets. So if you say 55% came from pets, then my statement is accurate.

Regarding 10k dps, I stand by what I have said. There are countless players running what are established builds, with established rotations, still pulling in well below 20k, many averaging around 10 - 15k dps. I mean Im not making that up for the hell of it. Getting that rotation right, with the timing, with weaving LA, its hard, particularly on consoles. Many folk struggle with it, its taken me lots of hard work and practice to break into 30k + dps, while still basically using the same build and rotation I was when I was only doing like 12 - 14k dps. I think, from memory, I changed only one skill. The increase has mainly come from speed and consistency of rotation.

I think I have read elsewhere that pulling in 40k+ dps puts someone in or around the top 10%. 50 - 60k dps is the top 1% of players. So when I say an average player, or a decent player, I am not talking about folk doing over 30k dps, because to me it seems that is well above average. I think I recall someone saying well over half the player base does only about 10k or less, so statistically that would mean the average player is doing about 10-15k. This is my point, if thats the base line then decent players, average players, whatever terminology one wishes to use, are still only pulling in 10 - 15k dps.

There is no rotation needed to get 20k DPS. Just leaving the brick on LMB while wearing proper (even non DLC) sets can give You that.

Antis3n1l · April 2019

Its nice to see how all of you started to talk about how bad all the people are and how easy it is to get "decent" dps but forgot that this thread was created to get help to improve ones dps.

Here you go @david_m_18b16_ESO , easy to obtain sets and enough explanation to get you started. It might not be the best build but it will certainly help you improve.

Grianasteri · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

There is no rotation needed to get 20k DPS. Just leaving the brick on LMB while wearing proper (even non DLC) sets can give You that.

I've no idea what a brick is, other than a construction item for building.

It seems what you are arguing is that using a single skill and leaving that in effect, will gain over 20k dps... I have explained that folk using established builds and rotations, are still only able to pull 10-15k. Something doesnt add up.

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Juhasow · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

There is no rotation needed to get 20k DPS. Just leaving the brick on LMB while wearing proper (even non DLC) sets can give You that.

I've no idea what a brick is, other than a construction item for building.

It seems what you are arguing is that using a single skill and leaving that in effect, will gain over 20k dps... I have explained that folk using established builds and rotations, are still only able to pull 10-15k. Something doesnt add up.

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Because most of people dont use brains very efficiently. It was even scientificly proven.

Also yes I was talking about brick used for building. Put it on left mouse button leave the room and You'll still get 20k DPS.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Remember your college years ? Just before an exam, for which you've learned, prepared and studied 18h/day for three weeks non-stop, just to be ready (and you still don't feel ready though). And your fellow students around you claim loud and clear that they haven't done anything, because they didn't need to, because the stuff's "easy".
Well, it's the same that's happening here. Pretending that something that you can do but others can't is "easy" is just another perverse way to feel superior and make others feel miserable. The truth is, of course, that your fellow students have also studied and learned 18h/day for 3 weeks.
And that's what's happening in ESO with people pretending that reaching 25K DPS is "easy". When it's not for some 90% of the players. And the truth is, those who can do that have practiced countless hours on dummies to get there.

You know, Usain Bolt would probably say that running 100m in 12 seconds is "easy", and he probably could do that already when he was 10 without any prior training. 99% of humans can't do that though - even if they train.

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

Because most of people dont use brains very efficiently. It was even scientificly proven.

Not sure what the brain has to do with DPS on ESO. You must be confusing it with some other part of the body.

sudaki_eso · April 2019

Antis3n1l wrote: »

Its nice to see how all of you started to talk about how bad all the people are and how easy it is to get "decent" dps but forgot that this thread was created to get help to improve ones dps.

Not really, his question was "Is my DPS to low ?" and that was answered in the first comments

I get your point though

Like i said, i started as a typical skyrimer in this game, had no rotation and mixed up gear and was hitting 15k without even trying hard - i was a noob. After replacing some gear and trying a rotation i was hitting 22-25k. Its not really a big secret or difficult to get those numbers. Thats why i was asking OP for a video of his rotation, as lots of others already wrote, this has a lot of impact on your damage.
But i am curious now, i have a toon, just leveled up, mixed gear (no sets) and no cps. Cant play the class and will do a quick dps test tonight and see how it goes if i simply go through the skills on my bar, no potions or anything. I will report back.

Juhasow · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Because most of people dont use brains very efficiently. It was even scientificly proven.

Not sure what the brain has to do with DPS on ESO. You must be confusing it with some other part of the body.

Is this a serious question ?

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Because most of people dont use brains very efficiently. It was even scientificly proven.

Not sure what the brain has to do with DPS on ESO. You must be confusing it with some other part of the body.

Is this a serious question ?

It's not a question...

Juhasow · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Remember your college years ? Just before an exam, for which you've learned, prepared and studied 18h/day for three weeks non-stop, just to be ready (and you still don't feel ready though). And your fellow students around you claim loud and clear that they haven't done anything, because they didn't need to, because the stuff's "easy".
Well, it's the same that's happening here. Pretending that something that you can do but others can't is "easy" is just another perverse way to feel superior and make others feel miserable. The truth is, of course, that your fellow students have also studied and learned 18h/day for 3 weeks.
And that's what's happening in ESO with people pretending that reaching 25K DPS is "easy". When it's not for some 90% of the players. And the truth is, those who can do that have practiced countless hours on dummies to get there.

You know, Usain Bolt would probably say that running 100m in 12 seconds is "easy", and he probably could do that already when he was 10 without any prior training. 99% of humans can't do that though - even if they train.

Yeah it definietly took me 3 weeks of studying 18 hours per day to get 20k DPS

For the record here is the parse

And here is the rotation to achieve it

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Juhasow · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Because most of people dont use brains very efficiently. It was even scientificly proven.

Not sure what the brain has to do with DPS on ESO. You must be confusing it with some other part of the body.

Is this a serious question ?

It's not a question...

Well still You've answered it more then enough.

Stebarnz · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Remember your college years ? Just before an exam, for which you've learned, prepared and studied 18h/day for three weeks non-stop, just to be ready (and you still don't feel ready though). And your fellow students around you claim loud and clear that they haven't done anything, because they didn't need to, because the stuff's "easy".
Well, it's the same that's happening here. Pretending that something that you can do but others can't is "easy" is just another perverse way to feel superior and make others feel miserable. The truth is, of course, that your fellow students have also studied and learned 18h/day for 3 weeks.
And that's what's happening in ESO with people pretending that reaching 25K DPS is "easy". When it's not for some 90% of the players. And the truth is, those who can do that have practiced countless hours on dummies to get there.

You know, Usain Bolt would probably say that running 100m in 12 seconds is "easy", and he probably could do that already when he was 10 without any prior training. 99% of humans can't do that though - even if they train.

Yeah it definietly took me 3 weeks of studying 18 hours per day to get 20k DPS

For the record here is the parse

And here is the rotation to achieve it

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Best post ive seen! you sir have won at forums!

On point though, after watching some vids and recognising how the game works you should be able to pull 25k dps very easily.
If you cant then don't worry, just play and get to max cp then watch more vids and guides and act upon the advice given, if you still cant get to 25k dps then you are a tank or healer!

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Oh well, your iron is capable of firing "shock pulse", right ?
Liar. You prove my point though...

Juhasow · April 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Oh well, your iron is capable of firing "shock pulse", right ?
Liar. You prove my point though...

Lol You've wrapped that tin foil hat really hard. Shock pulse is final tick of lightnng staff heavy attack. If You think it's one of destruction staff abilities it would be either shock clench/reach or force pulse not "shock pulse". So yes my iron is capable to fire off "shock pulse". Looks like You really have no idea what You're talking about. If that was Your point to prove then we succeded.

witchdoctor · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Oh well, your iron is capable of firing "shock pulse", right ?
Liar. You prove my point though...

Lol You've wrapped that tin foil hat really hard. Shock pulse is final tick of lightnng staff heavy attack. If You think it's one of destruction staff abilities it would be either shock clench/reach or force pulse not "shock pulse". So yes my iron is capable to fire off "shock pulse". Looks like You really have no idea what You're talking about. If that was Your point to prove then we succeded.

That was a spectacular own goal.

I regret that I have but one awesome to give.

Your iron, da real MVP!

witchdoctor · April 2019

To the OP, its all rotation. Gear, CP, pots ... they all help, for sure.

But the answer is almost always rotation.

The best way I've heard to describe proper light attack weaving is to mimic a heart beat: *thump* *pause* *thump* ... *LA* *pause* skill* ...

You can actually get worse DPS by going too fast.

Juhasow · April 2019

witchdoctor wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Oh well, your iron is capable of firing "shock pulse", right ?
Liar. You prove my point though...

Lol You've wrapped that tin foil hat really hard. Shock pulse is final tick of lightnng staff heavy attack. If You think it's one of destruction staff abilities it would be either shock clench/reach or force pulse not "shock pulse". So yes my iron is capable to fire off "shock pulse". Looks like You really have no idea what You're talking about. If that was Your point to prove then we succeded.

That was a spectacular own goal.

I regret that I have but one awesome to give.

Your iron, da real MVP!

My iron says "thanks". Still there are some people that do not belive in the power of my iron so I think I should record a video of my iron parsing on dummy.

FrancisCrawford · April 2019

psychotic13 wrote: »

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

On boss fight I sustein 10-12k dps depending on the lenght of the fight chucking potions every CD and using blood food on maxHP/Mag.

Gear I use legendary law of Julianos (Staff/Chest/Pants/Gloves) with legendary enchants and 5 piece Magus purple with purple enchant. Sadly I still wear weak blue shoulder and head.

Julianos is a pretty solid set to begin with, but you should switch magnus for something that gives better dps, and is very easy to farm, that being burning spellweave. Farm this from city of ash 1, one of the easiest dungeons.

Then you want to look at getting a monster set, depending on class some easier to obtain monster helms for magicka are grothdarr (vaults of madness) ilambris (crypt of hearts 1) and valkyn skoria (city of ash 2)

Use witchmothers for extra recovery

Will be able to help more if i know your class, current skill set up, CP, Race ect.

I'd add and/or argue:

Mothers Sorrow is a good alternative to Burning Spellweave. And if desired, infused lightning staffs are very easy to get in that set (google on "Argonian Muckminder").
Lightning is anyway a strong alternative to fire in many builds, especially for somebody who doesn't yet weave well.
Witchmother's Potent Brew could leave somebody low on health.
Veteran City of Ash 2 is not "easy" in this context.
The Golden sells monster helms.

FrancisCrawford · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »

On boss fight I sustein 10-12k dps depending on the lenght of the fight chucking potions every CD and using blood food on maxHP/Mag.

Gear I use legendary law of Julianos (Staff/Chest/Pants/Gloves) with legendary enchants and 5 piece Magus purple with purple enchant. Sadly I still wear weak blue shoulder and head.

DPS is all relative, what is or is not too low depends on the content and situation. However, in general 10-12k IS NOT LOW.

The average player rarely does more than 10k dps, that is an important point to take away. This level of dps is absolutely fine for all over land content and normal dungeons. That is the bulk of ESO content covered.

If you want to improve your dps beyond this in order to tackle harder content, it takes some time and effort. When I started to seek more end game content, vet dungeons, trials etc, that is when I started to pay more attention to my dps and actively looked into improving it. At that point it was generally about 10 - 14k dps depending on character. Through hard work, practice, improving my build, improving my rotation, my best parse is now over 32k dps.

As you will likely see from this thread, many would argue 32k dps is low, never mind 10k. Because there are super human players doing 60k plus... but they are NOT THE AVERAGE PLAYER, folk with dps in excess of 40k are probably in the top 10%, so comparing ones self to these guys is pointless. This brings me back to the start, its all relative, its dependent on what you want to achieve and get out the game.

If you are happy with overland story content etc, and normal dungeons etc, then your dps is fine. If you want to run vet dungeons, trials, dlc, etc then its fairly standard to need about 20k dps as a minimum. That can seem unachievable given your current dps, but trust me it isnt, I was where you are, you just need practice and some tweeking with your build and skill rotation. Seek help from a guild, there are plenty of experienced players around who are willing to help. They will make sure you run good sets for your character and help you with your skill rotation.

Happy gaming.

The easier vet dungeons can be done with an entire group not necessarily breaking 20

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

no offense thou....but you get 8-10k alone when just spamming Lightattacks

Seriously, that simply isnt true for most players.

An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k.

wat

One bar petsorc can pull 30k easily with base game gear.

Please do research before making baseless claims.

"Easily" is overstated. I've never parsed 25K, but I've also cleared some of the easier vet dungeons on a pet sorcerer duoing with a low-damage tank, including the ones that drop the monster helms Ilambris, Grothdarr and Slimecraw.

JinMori · April 2019

Grianasteri wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

no offense thou....but you get 8-10k alone when just spamming Lightattacks

Seriously, that simply isnt true for most players.

An average player can have decent gear, decent build, decent rotation, even including weaving light attacks between skills and still only do around 10k.

No, that is false, if you are doing those things correctly and have as you said decent things, you will do more than 10k, what is this for most players btw? where do you people get your numbers from? It;s gut feeling, don;t treat it as facts.

What you said makes no sense, because if you are doing decently, there is no way you will do only 10k, and 10k is not good.

JinMori · April 2019

Juhasow wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

See this is what I am talking about, Im not the person saying the average player does 10k dps, it seems this is a well established matter. My own experience certainly concurs. Yet so many people on these forums talk frequently about how easy it is to do over 20k dps, 30k, 40k... if that were really the case, if it doesnt even need a rotation, it only needs 1 skill, why is the average player only doing 10k? I am mystified.

Remember your college years ? Just before an exam, for which you've learned, prepared and studied 18h/day for three weeks non-stop, just to be ready (and you still don't feel ready though). And your fellow students around you claim loud and clear that they haven't done anything, because they didn't need to, because the stuff's "easy".
Well, it's the same that's happening here. Pretending that something that you can do but others can't is "easy" is just another perverse way to feel superior and make others feel miserable. The truth is, of course, that your fellow students have also studied and learned 18h/day for 3 weeks.
And that's what's happening in ESO with people pretending that reaching 25K DPS is "easy". When it's not for some 90% of the players. And the truth is, those who can do that have practiced countless hours on dummies to get there.

You know, Usain Bolt would probably say that running 100m in 12 seconds is "easy", and he probably could do that already when he was 10 without any prior training. 99% of humans can't do that though - even if they train.

Yeah it definietly took me 3 weeks of studying 18 hours per day to get 20k DPS

For the record here is the parse

And here is the rotation to achieve it

No I am not joking or trolling. I literally put an iron on left button on my mouse and got over 20k DPS with it. I definietly practiced "countless hours on dummies to get there"

So either I am Usain Bolt of parsing or You have no idea what You're talking about.

Yea, these people are ridiculous, and since nobody seems to be saying it, i will say it, if you can't get over 10k dps, and you are trying, you suck, bad, simple as that, there is no need to study 18 hours a day to get at least 30k dps in this game, just some basic knowledge, some good skills and some good gear, it;s much easier to get from 10k to 30k compared to 40 to 60k, the closer you get to the upper limit the more difficult it becomes to improve, so there is literally no excuse, i managed to do 20k dps years ago in my *** mag sorc build with barely any good piece of gear, to learn weaving it took me a couple of days, and i accidentally stumbled upon it, i just noticed you could use a la in between each skill, so really, no excuse.