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Canned_Apples✭✭✭✭✭
✭All of my characters are tanks. some "real" some not.
I run normal pledges in light or medium gear and only bother with heavy for vet and dlc.
Although all my cp is set for tanking...I play no cp and bgs, so it's not a big deal.honestly, I don't even mind when dps is low (in groups i play almost exclusively healers) i DO mind where it seems like i'm expected to compensate for ignored mechanics and blamed when I don't heal through things you REALLY should have moved out of. why am I the one interrupting 80% of the time, even though dps and tank are in melee range of a target that needs an interrupt?
I drop from groups that don't interrupt after they tell them to multiple times.
Have you tried running MHK with groups that refuse to interrupt or low dps? It's rough. -usually run go smoothly when I'm not the one getting stunned because I know how to interrupt........Edited by Canned_Apples on April 2, 2019 11:17PM0 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭
It doesn't bother me if I run tank, healer or DD or if this is normal or vet dungeon, as long I have a decent group, but because by most of the time I get garbage bow light attack corner masters nightblades as DDs, I have decided to not run PUGs as tank or healer anymore, because I have better things to do than watching two noobs beating 1 milion HP boss for 5 minutes for a gazzilion time ;-)you don't want to run them, especially as a boring tank.
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Spartabunny08✭✭✭✭They've nerfed tanks so hard in this game, I quit playing one. It's no longer fun to tank in ESO, they don't truly understand what tank means anymore. PvP nerf crying and here you go no more tanks for PvE or PvP. Hoping for some changes from the new guy but alas here we are no tank changes. I'm watching and waiting but until they decide to make tanks great again I'll be playing warframe which is pretty awesome. Certainly not as broken or buggy as this game. Waiting on you ZOS, whenever you're ready...lol0
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Simple, good tanks and healers have plenty of friends who want to run content with them. If they do a random dungeon, they do it as 4 premades most of the time. Have a problem with too much DD queue time? Then don't play DD but tank/healer and be part of the solution rather than another person waiting in line. If you don't want that, why do you expect others to want it?
Whenever I queue for PuG as a proper tank or heal - "I am a generous god"This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.2 -
Commancho✭✭✭✭✭
PVP nerfs have nothing to do with tanking in PVE. Lord Warden, Ebon Armor and Alkosh are meta since ages. You can run sap tank or tanky DD in majority of random normals. It's just getting boring when you get crap DDs in PUGs (which is like 9 of 10 runs from my experience). Low rank players should be obligated to play as tanks or healers. I have played my first 300CP as a tank, then as a healer to 400CP. Meanwhile I have ranked up, geared up, I have learnt the mechanics. I have made my first DD when I was CP400+ and I was practicing my rotation for a few evenings before I have even queued for a dungeon. Respect other people time, if you are bad at the game and you want to be a DD then go play vMA and have fun!!!Spartabunny08 wrote: »They've nerfed tanks so hard in this game, I quit playing one. It's no longer fun to tank in ESO, they don't truly understand what tank means anymore. PvP nerf crying and here you go no more tanks for PvE or PvP. Hoping for some changes from the new guy but alas here we are no tank changes. I'm watching and waiting but until they decide to make tanks great again I'll be playing warframe which is pretty awesome. Certainly not as broken or buggy as this game. Waiting on you ZOS, whenever you're ready...lol
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russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use to queue for more than 1 hour to get into a random normal or a daily pledge. And trials is almost 100% a no go.
I really didnt want to join a guild because, I really want to say that I'm antisocial, but the truth is I just say the stupidest things, just because I think it was funny in my head, its not actually funny at all.
But I did join a guild, and dailies became easier, random, pledge, trials. Like 1 to 5 minutes easier.
So, join a guild, it will make dailies a little bit easier, well, it did for me.0 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭Simple, good tanks and healers have plenty of friends who want to run content with them.
Very true. I'm a rock solid healer and I've recently started tanking - and I think I do a fairly okay job - and just add folks to my friends list whenever I'm in a good group. I also personally have no problem helping DD complete dailies so long as they aren't Rushy McRushersons, or behave like certain male body parts.
Also, join at least one decent sized PvE/Trials guild. Problem solved. When I'm on my DD and want to do pledged I only need to ask in guild or off my friends list and generally can find at least a healer. Once you're grouped up with a healer/tank the two of you can just queue and you're golden.Edited by mayasunrising on April 3, 2019 1:59AM"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
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Ravena✭✭✭✭I confess I queue as a tank on my DD characters for normal dungeons when I just wanna get it done.
Blow through everything0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you dont have at least 17k health as any role you're doing it wrong. Vet dungeons will simply one shot you with almost anything at lower health than that. my damage characters normally have 18-20k HP as do my healers. its only logical.
How much health a player needs depends on their skill level. Top players do not add any health to their dps characters. With stam running 7 medium they tend to have less than 17k health before Ebon and they do better than fine.Edited by idk on April 3, 2019 4:44AM0 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭All the good healers and tanks are grouping with people who they know aren't terrible. I stopped healing for pugs because the average dps is usually around 8K between the both of them, and i'm not trying to spend an hour in Spindleclutch 1. To everyone saying "make a tank or healer if you want a fast queue," That doesn't change the fact that then those people will most likely have to deal with toddler dps and will stop using groupfinder because of that. So you either quit because of waiting over an hour as a dps isn't fun, or you quit because it isn't fun sitting through a beginner vet dungeon that's taking over almost an hour because lame dps. It's 2 sides of the same poop-covered coin and no one seems to know how to get the average dps up because the game doesn't teach you anything except that you can slot skills and get a second skill bar at level 15.Xbox NA healer main
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭If you're gonna do that, then if I see fake dps, no pledges for them either. Under 15k, you're a fake dps0
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's quite common in any MMO to get insta queued for dungeons if you're a tank or healer, and have a bit of a wait if you're damage. However, in ESO this problem is even worse. As a DD you can spend up to 30 minutes in a queue, and if it's mid afternoon you can just forget it. I gave up yesterday, specced for tank and got a hit in 6 seconds.
This is a huge issue, because the dungeon finder is filled with 17k health damage dealers pretending to be tanks just to get their pledges done, but they are usually kicked for not holding agro, not pulling in ranged trash mobs, getting one shot, or using dawnbreakers when war horns were expected.
So in reality there are 2 problems: Occasionally getting a terrible tank, or not getting your pledges done because you can't find a group as a DD.
But what can be done to rectify this? Why is it so hard to queue as DD? The answer to the second question is quite simple really. The rewards are jank, and as you've seen these dungeons hundreds of times you don't want to run them, especially as a boring tank.
My suggestion would be to add better rewards for running pledge dungeons, even after you've already completed it once. It could be something like a few transmute crystals at the end (for veteran only), but obviously cap it after a certain amount so they can't just farm all day long. But this may help people queue more than once, and make finding people for pledges much easier.
If you have any ideas, let us know!
I admit to doing this occasionally when myself and 2 others need a 4th, but I only do so in dungeons I know I can Tank on a DPS even with Hardmode, and I always slot a taunt. I keep my characters well prepared for such runs, as I do not like to waste other players time, while still giving me more of a challenge in dungeons I have run to death. My group got a random their first vBC I HM Speedrun and No Death tonight, and it was their first Vet dungeon. We hooked them up with some Sanctuary stuff. They did pretty well.0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Happens to every role. Yesterday i couldn't get a CoA1 queue as a healer. One of the easiest dungeons in the game and apparently nobody was interested."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭For sure its an issue, and as you highlight not an unusual one for an mmo of this type.
I tend to Q up as a dps then just go off and do other content while I wait. It can certainly take 20 or 30 mins and longer some times. But in that time I get my daily quests done etc.0 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah it’s frustrating, buts it’s down to the playerbase really.
I main dps but been getting into healing and tanking due to the ques. Dies make me feel abit dishearted tho as really want to play on my mains and yeah I’m not down waiting half an hour or having to go and do something else while in game and completely forget I’m in que.
Longest waiting time I think (as forgot was in que) was about 50minsEdited by Chaos2088 on April 3, 2019 9:03AM@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP0 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭I happen to be tank as I suck being dps and cant be bothered playing healer. What puts me off most as playing tank is often low dps in dungeons, and my own low dps making overland long and boring. Imagine all tbe decent tanks having similar issues, it would explain the shortage of tanks and the abunancy of dps in the queue.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you're gonna do that, then if I see fake dps, no pledges for them either. Under 15k, you're a fake dps
at 15k they are a real dps. Just really bad if we are talking about vet level players.
Fake tank is only a tank that does not have a taunt. Fake healer is one that does not have a heal that can be used to heal others. Both are the core requirement to be considered a tank or healer.I happen to be tank as I suck being dps and cant be bothered playing healer. What puts me off most as playing tank is often low dps in dungeons, and my own low dps making overland long and boring. Imagine all tbe decent tanks having similar issues, it would explain the shortage of tanks and the abunancy of dps in the queue.
A decent tank does not have these issues.
As has been pointed out in here decent tanks have people they can group with that they know are decent players. They do not need to use the GF to get a dungeon group and tend to avoid random groups in the GF because of the low dps and player skill level that can be found there.
What is interesting is many of these same tanks that do not have the patience for random groups do have a great deal of patience helping players in their guilds improve their playstyle so we are not talking elitist. They just choose to put their energies into guild mates.
I used to queue solo as a tank and often helped players clear a vet dungeon for the first time. Yes, I said vet. I did now grow tired of explaining fight mechanics to players but grew tired of players not interested in learning the fights and just making things worse with their low dps.
I ended up starting to queue as a healer so I could add to the DPS but that grew old, especially since I often had to do a lot of healing because of players that chose to bathe in as much damage as possible.
Today I will sometimes queue with a 3 person group to see what we find. The worst we found was a high lvl CP stam melee players that specifically stated they did not have an interrupt. His DPS was about as bad as his knowledge of playing the game. Yes, we told him about the interrupt they, and everyone, has.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's quite common in any MMO to get insta queued for dungeons if you're a tank or healer, and have a bit of a wait if you're damage. However, in ESO this problem is even worse. As a DD you can spend up to 30 minutes in a queue, and if it's mid afternoon you can just forget it. I gave up yesterday, specced for tank and got a hit in 6 seconds.
This is a huge issue, because the dungeon finder is filled with 17k health damage dealers pretending to be tanks just to get their pledges done, but they are usually kicked for not holding agro, not pulling in ranged trash mobs, getting one shot, or using dawnbreakers when war horns were expected.
So in reality there are 2 problems: Occasionally getting a terrible tank, or not getting your pledges done because you can't find a group as a DD.
But what can be done to rectify this? Why is it so hard to queue as DD? The answer to the second question is quite simple really. The rewards are jank, and as you've seen these dungeons hundreds of times you don't want to run them, especially as a boring tank.
My suggestion would be to add better rewards for running pledge dungeons, even after you've already completed it once. It could be something like a few transmute crystals at the end (for veteran only), but obviously cap it after a certain amount so they can't just farm all day long. But this may help people queue more than once, and make finding people for pledges much easier.
If you have any ideas, let us know!
It's not a bad idea. But I question whether people would have the time or desire to run the same dungeon multiple times a day for a few more transmute crystals. The pledges are sufficient enough rewards to make me do them - and I do enjoy running them - but after a couple of dungeons a day I'm ready to do something else and I doubt a few more transmute crystals would entice me to run the same dungeons multiple times on my tank. So I'm dubious this would help the problem much.
Longer queue times as a damage dealer is a problem on pretty much every MMO I've played. It wasn't uncommon for me to wait nearly an hour to get into a group back when I played WoW for example. Someone awhile back suggested to give players the option to sign up for unbalanced groups that ignored roles - such as an all DPS party. So long as it is optional and everyone knows what they are getting into - that sounds like a good idea to me and something the developers may want to consider implementing.1 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭How to correctly queue as an experienced DD:
- normal: dd/healer/tank
- normal dlc: dd/healer/(tank)
- veteran: dd/healer
- veteran dlc: dd/(healer)
How to correctly queue as an inexperienced DD:
- normal: dd/healer/(tank)
- normal dlc: dd/(healer)
- veteran: dd
- veteran dlc: dd
How to correctly queue as a noob DD:
- normal: dd/(healer)
- normal dlc: dd
- veteran: don't
- veteran dlc: don't
You need to understand one thing: If you queue as healer (or tank) you reduce not only your own queuing time, but also the queuing time of two other DDs.Characters worth mentioning:Daedrós - Magicka DK - Altmer - PvE & PvP - Emperor - IR - GH - TTTArenas: vDSA (~46k) - vMA (~586k)
Dragybor - Stamblade - Redguard - PvE (first char)
Yondaime Raikage - Stamsorc - Redguard - PvP
Zerg Overmind - Magblade - Altmer - PvE - GH
Yenari - Magsorc - Altmer - PvE - Flawless Conqueror
Devoured-his-siblings - DK Tank - Argonian - PvE - Unchained
Valkyrja Valhalla - StamDK - Redguard - PvE
Hyperion der Obere - Magplar - Altmer - PvE
Affa al'Dschinni - Stamplar - Orc - PvP
Enjoys-the-slaughter - Templar Healer - Argonian - PvE
Hades Adamastos - Stamcro - Orc - PvE
Khaba the Cruel - Magsorc- Altmer - PvP
Hekate Ourania - Magcro - Atlmer - PvE - TTT
Trials: vAA hm - vHRC hm - vSO hm - vMoL hm (~161k) - vHoF hm (~218k) - vAS+2 (~114k) - vCR+3 - vSS hm - vKA hm
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP - that's probably because EVERYBODY wants to be the DD/DPS.
That and, apparently, nobody really knows how to Tank well.
Personally, I like playing as a healer (my Daelon Duluc always is - usually templar), although my Tank Urug'Hai (NA) or Anga'Gra'Delphin (EU) is fun too.
You would not believe how many people I *** off (I'm low level at this point as I just restarted after a long break) by doing my job AND doing significant knock-back and damage at the same time.
I've done the whole DD/DPS thing and, to me, it gets old fast when EVERYBODY is doing the same thing.
Honestly guys...
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Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP - that's probably because EVERYBODY wants to be the DD/DPS.
That and, apparently, nobody really knows how to Tank well.
Personally, I like playing as a healer (my Daelon Duluc always is - usually templar), although my Tank Urug'Hai (NA) or Anga'Gra'Delphin (EU) is fun too.
You would not believe how many people I *** off (I'm low level at this point as I just restarted after a long break) by doing my job AND doing significant knock-back and damage at the same time.
I've done the whole DD/DPS thing and, to me, it gets old fast when EVERYBODY is doing the same thing.
Honestly guys...
As a tank?0 -
unicornvader✭✭It really annoys me when someone queues as a fake healer or tank, but I won't kick anyone unless they are afk or offline. I have a couple of healers myself, although my preferred role is a DD, and actual healers and tanks get so much of the blame when something goes wrong when 99% of the time its down to low dps or the DDs just having no clue what the mechanics are and just hoping that the healer can miracle heal them. I went into March of Sacrifices earlier as a healer and I was the only one inturrupting the three sisters, the only one who had a clue about any of the mechanics and I was the one who was kicked for suggesting what needed doing, because I was the healer so obviously I shouldn't have an opinion since DDs are gods. It really puts me off of carrying on being an actual healer, DDs have it easy, that's why everyone wants to be one, even with no DPS the majority of the time they don't get kicked, its always the tanks and healers. That's why there are so many DDs and a ridicously long queue, I would rather take a longer queue time as a DD than risk being kicked for actually healing.PCEU
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agenericname wrote: »OP - that's probably because EVERYBODY wants to be the DD/DPS.
That and, apparently, nobody really knows how to Tank well.
Personally, I like playing as a healer (my Daelon Duluc always is - usually templar), although my Tank Urug'Hai (NA) or Anga'Gra'Delphin (EU) is fun too.
You would not believe how many people I *** off (I'm low level at this point as I just restarted after a long break) by doing my job AND doing significant knock-back and damage at the same time.
I've done the whole DD/DPS thing and, to me, it gets old fast when EVERYBODY is doing the same thing.
Honestly guys...
As a tank?
Not sure what you're referring to, but, I'm inferring you asking if my Tanks are DD/DPS, yes?
DD/DDS as a tank is not really the function, although, it is important to still be able to deal out good DPS (as with a healer).
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Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agenericname wrote: »OP - that's probably because EVERYBODY wants to be the DD/DPS.
That and, apparently, nobody really knows how to Tank well.
Personally, I like playing as a healer (my Daelon Duluc always is - usually templar), although my Tank Urug'Hai (NA) or Anga'Gra'Delphin (EU) is fun too.
You would not believe how many people I *** off (I'm low level at this point as I just restarted after a long break) by doing my job AND doing significant knock-back and damage at the same time.
I've done the whole DD/DPS thing and, to me, it gets old fast when EVERYBODY is doing the same thing.
Honestly guys...
As a tank?
Not sure what you're referring to, but, I'm inferring you asking if my Tanks are DD/DPS, yes?
DD/DDS as a tank is not really the function, although, it is important to still be able to deal out good DPS (as with a healer).
What are you wondering?
If you're using the "knock backs" while performing the role of a tank.0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Agenericname wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »OP - that's probably because EVERYBODY wants to be the DD/DPS.
That and, apparently, nobody really knows how to Tank well.
Personally, I like playing as a healer (my Daelon Duluc always is - usually templar), although my Tank Urug'Hai (NA) or Anga'Gra'Delphin (EU) is fun too.
You would not believe how many people I *** off (I'm low level at this point as I just restarted after a long break) by doing my job AND doing significant knock-back and damage at the same time.
I've done the whole DD/DPS thing and, to me, it gets old fast when EVERYBODY is doing the same thing.
Honestly guys...
As a tank?
Not sure what you're referring to, but, I'm inferring you asking if my Tanks are DD/DPS, yes?
DD/DDS as a tank is not really the function, although, it is important to still be able to deal out good DPS (as with a healer).
What are you wondering?
If you're using the "knock backs" while performing the role of a tank.
It depends on the tank, but, yes, occasionally, when needed. It's far easier to knock-back as a healer (usually javelin on templars), but doing a knock-back as a tank often gives my DD's and healers opportunities for further. Of course, it also depends on the knock-back, stun or incapacitate.0 -
Jimmy✭✭✭✭✭I've never had a problem with DD players running as "Fake" tanks. All vet dungeons are easy enough to pull this off with very little issue. (Heck, normal dungeons don't even need a healer, 4 DD players is perfectly acceptable)
I encourage it, to be honest. Let's get these easy pledges done! To much crying, not enough playing.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Me and my friend have 1 DD each and 1 Tank each, we group and rotate our roles each day so we can get in super quick. I never bother queuing as a solo DD as the wait is far too long.
An idea that may solve the problem would be to only receive Tank set rewards if your a Tank, Healing Sets if you are a Healer and DPS sets if you are a DD, other than that, i don't know.
That would suck when gearing alts. I have two of my stam DDs decked out in Leviathan who have never set foot in CoH and I mostly queue with my healers. I really don't need any more Lich pieces.The Moot Councillor2 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you're gonna do that, then if I see fake dps, no pledges for them either. Under 15k, you're a fake dps
at 15k they are a real dps. Just really bad if we are talking about vet level players.
Fake tank is only a tank that does not have a taunt. Fake healer is one that does not have a heal that can be used to heal others. Both are the core requirement to be considered a tank or healer.I happen to be tank as I suck being dps and cant be bothered playing healer. What puts me off most as playing tank is often low dps in dungeons, and my own low dps making overland long and boring. Imagine all tbe decent tanks having similar issues, it would explain the shortage of tanks and the abunancy of dps in the queue.
A decent tank does not have these issues.
As has been pointed out in here decent tanks have people they can group with that they know are decent players. They do not need to use the GF to get a dungeon group and tend to avoid random groups in the GF because of the low dps and player skill level that can be found there.
What is interesting is many of these same tanks that do not have the patience for random groups do have a great deal of patience helping players in their guilds improve their playstyle so we are not talking elitist. They just choose to put their energies into guild mates.
I used to queue solo as a tank and often helped players clear a vet dungeon for the first time. Yes, I said vet. I did now grow tired of explaining fight mechanics to players but grew tired of players not interested in learning the fights and just making things worse with their low dps.
I ended up starting to queue as a healer so I could add to the DPS but that grew old, especially since I often had to do a lot of healing because of players that chose to bathe in as much damage as possible.
Today I will sometimes queue with a 3 person group to see what we find. The worst we found was a high lvl CP stam melee players that specifically stated they did not have an interrupt. His DPS was about as bad as his knowledge of playing the game. Yes, we told him about the interrupt they, and everyone, has.
I think there are still a lot of players who want to run them but are nervous about being a *liability*. There are some things that may seem obvious like inturrupt or bash but they are often overlooked by players trying to help but give bad advice.1 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭I dont heal or tank because half of the time i get dps pulling 10k with olotime alkosh torugs crusher, so i just dps0
