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Guild Traders and Trading Overhaul Much Needed

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Now first and foremost I am most likely in the minority here and this is probably an unpopular opinion, as if what I am about to say (suggest) we're to happen those who sell as of right now regularly in high traffic ares like Mornhold, Belkarth and Elden Root would most like see their items drop in price due to the quantity of items being able to be sold in the grand scheme of things, but not entirely lose all profit if they follow the new market economy that would come along with the sudden change in how the Player-to-Player trading worked via a third party NPC. Anyways here are/is my suggestion (s) in how we could change and even improve the overall experience of Trading in the wonderful world of The Elder Scrolls Online.

Let me start off by sharing and experience I have seen many times over my years of playing ESO (I've been playing since Beta started on PC and did a console transfer to XB1 when it was released as I'm not much of a PC Gamer) of the past few years. So a few days ago I was looking for a decent priced Plague Doctor Cuirass with Infused as I have painstakingly grown tied of farming the N'wah lands of Deshaan for it and just didn't want to waste Transmute Crystals on and item that I may or may have not ended up keeping. One nice place I tend to find decent prices in Stormhold of Shadowfen. So as I'm looking through the Traders I come across the NPC Khajiit Trader Zino, who is now selling for the Guild "Stolen Guilds". This was a my first "red flag" as it's not a Guild I am familiar with let alone normally see in this spot (don't ask who I do normally because I don't remember). Anyways my next "red flag" was the fact my Little Fuzzy friend wasn't rocking a Guild Tabard for his new Employer's. Now a part of me is internally saying "yo buddy this is scratchy as crap". But, I still pressed on as it could be a new Guild and the GM just hasn't taken the time to make one for him and his Guild Mates. So I just start for telling Zion to show me everything his Employer's have listed and then it hit me like 2008 and the days of being Rick Rolled on YouTube. They had (and still have as I type this repertoire ) "ONLY" 13 Carrots listed in the Guild Trader and the asking price is 153.85k (or around 2 Million Gold for all 13). This is ridiculous. I want to so badly post the Gamertag of the player who has posted this Troll, but it's not my place to single him/her out as an individual for just being a Troll, getting a Guild Trader and going along with only posting this item most likely was orchestrated by more than one person, but I have reported him to ZOS in hopes that this can't keep happening.

So onto my ideas on how we could fix this problem, and hopefully to everyone's advantage. First and foremost the game needs to have all Guild Traders removed. My reasoning behind it goes more that just the situation including my kitty friend Zion. Good Guild Traders and even ones not in "Prime Locations" tend to have a "Guild Due(s)" in order to sell within that Guild. Ranging from 100 gold to the highest I've seen so far is 25k gold per week. Now I have and don't care about Guild Dues to an extent, when it comes to how much is being asked. I make more than 25k per day doing Crafting Dailies on 14 toons a day. But not everyone can afford that if they don't know how to properly sell, when to sell and where to sell it. Yeah I know...."if you don't know how to properly sell, then why are you in a Guild Trader?"....trust me I've heard it all before so I'll go ahead and beat you to the punch line. But say you're a new player or just not to high CP rank and just want to regularly sell your junk for a decent amount of gold. But could never really keep enough gold Stone for those weekly or monthly dues. It just doesn't seem fair for a good portion of players just trying to make a quick Septim. Dues and their prices are very understandable and I'm not saying they are not justified with the way the trading system works in ESO. Just highly unnecessary.

So Guild Traders are removed, now what? Well first don't just remove them and don't put something in their place, that's just stupid and unfair. So here's what I propose. Create a system where we all can list items for sell at a certain location where any player can look up the items and buy all in one spot. Not only is trying to find the specific item you're looking for somethings a huge hassle, but getting an affordably decent price a serious endeavor and long drawn out trip across Tamriel a painstakingly process that could be avoided if done right. Now say we do have this "Market District" for any and all players, what next? Well first and this is probably the most important aspect with all things considered....PERFORMANCE. With only one center for all players to list, sell and buy their items, we as a community know how that region is going to look. HUNDREDS of players congregating, talking, Trolling in Area Chat, dueling (BY THE NINES ALL THE DUELING) so yeah! There's going to be lag. And lots and lots of it. So first off this area will mostly certainly have crashes, long load screen and plenty of problems as a whole. Especially at the launch of the new feature like we have seen in the past, with DLC's the release of jewelry crafting/materials and stuff like dueling.

So how do we fix the problems that will come with this new feature. First make the area it's own "load cell". Don't put it in the center of a town or region, where the everything in that area has to load in with it. Make it a building that we have to go into (though it would be highly unrealistic a build with that caliber of players being able to fit inside. So I would definitely suggest like a small island or region in it's own. Don't put many other features in the area such as quests, enemies and stuff like that. We are there to trade with other players not get achievements, titles or anything else that isn't trading related. Going back to dueling, DON'T ALLOW IT IN THIS REGION. It's that simple. Make it so when someone tried to duel another player a message pops up saying "You can't do that here" or "Dueling is disabled in this region". Honestly how and where dueling needs to be changed as it is, but I'll leave that idea, suggestion and rant for another post. Just my point is, if players can duel one another in this region where there will already be dozens if not hundreds of other players....it's going to cause some issues. Especially for us console players and even worse those with already poor internet connection. Next thing that would help the performance of our systems in such a high traffic area. Limit text chat messages. Text chat much like this trading overhaul I am suggesting and my thoughts on dueling, text chat needs a re-work as well. But again that's for another post. But that I mean is limit text chat is, don't allow for spamming of items people list in this area or overall just saying alot in short span of time. I don't need to see some guys 30+ Hollowjack motifs he is trying to see for one gold each or how Jim and Phill are going to push for Emp in Shor next week. This place is for listing items to sell at an NPC and buy items at said NPC. Nothing more. Nothing less.

So now that the idea of making this "Auction House, Trade Center or what ever it could be called" has an idea on how to make it preform properly so players can do what they are setting out to do without crashing every 0.05 seconds. Let's get onto how this whole idea works as a whole, without breaking the market for those who love buying, selling and trading. So yeah, everyone can now sell to the entire mass of The Elder Scrolls Online community without having to traverse the harsh lands of Tamriel and more importantly pay 5k weekly dues to keep selling in the city Ebonheart. First we MUST have a system set in place so Jim from earlier...yeah remember him...he finally got his Emp title. Good job Jim. Yeah we need to keep him from buying all of...IDK let's say Perfect Roe that is listed and either relisting for a much higher or much lower price. Either set it so only a limited amount of the same item can be bought and sold by the same player, or prevent an item from being able to be re-listed for a time. So say Jim buys a stack of his fish eggs, he can either not relist them for 1 week. Or he is regulated to only being able to relist say 20 or so of them. Also there should be a number of items you can have posted at a time, much like how it is. Keep it the way it is now, I would say or lower it a bit if there are problems. Or raise for that matter, if listing the amount were aloud to is just not enough to keep a stable economy. Just don't let Jim be capable of ruining it for everyone else.

Lastly, let's talk how this system as a whole works. We got preformanc checked off the list. We checked off how to not break the entire economy the list. Now let's look at what this does for all of us players. So yes there will be a huge influx of items on the market and not everyone is going to be able to sell their Sharpened Inferno Staff of (insert good magic set name here) at the price they want when they want it. You could post it for 15k like everyone else and Jim undercutts everyone else by posting his Netch Escriment of prices so no one else can sell. Well have an economy tracker that works in the background of the systems that keeps track of how much ever potato, Ring of Vicious Death, XP Pot and Bosmer Style Material goes for. And prevent someone from listing items out of a certain price bracket. So say I post my Perfect Row for 12k and Bill wants to sell his for 12.7k and Jim....yeah him again. Can't stop talking about this guy can I? Well he wants to sell one for 7k and another for 22k the system will say something like "this items current economic value is 10.2k and you must list it within a 10% rang of that price" that would be prefect. Also give of notices if we have an item posted on Tirdas but by Fredas the items value has drastically change, so we can adjust it accordingly. I don't want to list my Dunmer Motif today for 300 gold and find out it's still listed at that price a week later when everyone else is selling theirs for 100 or 1k gold. I don't want to undercut nor do I want to undercut someone. Let alone have it sit in there till the return of the next Dragonborn.

Well guys, gals, Khajiit's and Lizards alike I hope this was informative, sorry it was so long and if you read it I thank you. If you agree or disagree let me know why. Or if you have any suggestions also speak up. ZeniMax does listen but only when enough players speak up. I will be posting my ideas on a dueling, text chat as well as my ideas on what ZOS is going to do with the Champion Points system when the total cap has been finally reached and set. If you want to message me personally my Xbox Gamertag is VamppireGhost and I'd love to hear some thoughts, feed back and concerns about my ideas.

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  • Heady
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    is there a TLDR;?
  • Nulami
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    Heady wrote: »
    is there a TLDR;?

    Basically, drop Guild Traders and bring in Marketplace/Auction House. OP's post is just more thought out than most of the other ditch Guild Trader thread starters.
  • Heady
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    Nulami wrote: »
    Heady wrote: »
    is there a TLDR;?

    Basically, drop Guild Traders and bring in Marketplace/Auction House. OP's post is just more thought out than most of the other ditch Guild Trader thread starters.

    <3

    there would have to be a couple separate ones throughout the world we know how zos is with lots of people in one place at the same time
  • Bealeb319
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    I always hated the guild trader system. Not that I want or expect it to ever change but a guild in my opinion is supposed to pull people together, what the system does is encourages players to undercut others in their own guild it also makes it hard for casual players to make any gold.
  • otis67
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    Way too much to read for a topic that pops up almost daily.
  • Jameliel
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    I like reading, but woah...

    Its well known by most OG gamers that a central auction house is > the bloated, time-wasting lagfest, guild trader fiasco. zos be too cool and original for dat. :/
  • pauli133
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    Jameliel wrote: »
    Its well known by most OG gamers that a central auction house is > the bloated, time-wasting lagfest, guild trader fiasco. zos be too cool and original for dat. :/

    The guild trader system is explicitly designed to increase economic friction and combat deflation. It's doing exactly what ZOS wanted.
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    Maybe they could add a "broker" assistant to the crown store. Dump all your stuff on him/her and a completely automated system does the rest for you! No effort. He could also buy anything you want at the current market price.

    If you want to make gold trading then put in the effort, understand the economy, evaluate risk, pay you dues, and travel the map. The current system is fine.
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    pauli133 wrote: »
    Jameliel wrote: »
    Its well known by most OG gamers that a central auction house is > the bloated, time-wasting lagfest, guild trader fiasco. zos be too cool and original for dat. :/

    The guild trader system is explicitly designed to increase economic friction and combat deflation. It's doing exactly what ZOS wanted.

    Agreed.

    I didn't read any of the OP comment. I'm sorry that they wasted so much time of the post.
    Edited by Androconium on March 31, 2019 4:36PM
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    Does anyone have a meme with a necromancer and a dead horse?
    (Math before coffee, except after 3, is not for me)
  • SirAxen
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    I might be in the minority, but I find the Guild Trader system nifty. Now that the UI has had some love with the way you search, it's right where it needs to be.
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    ganzaeso wrote: »
    Does anyone have a meme with a necromancer and a dead horse?

    Did you really need to push up this post to the front page with this kind of comment?
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  • VamppireGhost
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    SirAxen wrote: »
    I might be in the minority, but I find the Guild Trader system nifty. Now that the UI has had some love with the way you search, it's right where it needs to be.

    There is nothing overly wrong with GT's I just have a personal biased against the idea. Having to traverse every region, go through 30+ load screens just because I'm trying to find a motif or piece of gear is so monotonous and time consuming. If I could search every trader within one region that is my biggest quarries with the system. I completely love ZOS for their individuality but there could definitely be improvements. Being able to search via just looking up the name of an item was a huge and I mean it HUGE step in the right direction, but it still needs work. This OP wasn't about not paying dues or crap like that. I'm a GM and my Guild has no problem with dues and neither do I. But it's an inconvenience. But yes fundamentaly ESO has no "GOLD SINK" and Guild Trader bids are the best fourm of such one, but I'd love to see another implication of the system.
    "What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work in this place. Come. Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy."
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    That was a lot of words to say “let’s have a global AH”

    We don’t need one. It’d hurt the game economy a ton to suddenly have billions upon billions of gold no longer leaving the system

    It really is not that hard to navigate
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    1. Guild Traders are an excellent Gold Sink.
    2. AH just creates a system where one or a few players can corner the market
    3. On items that are not cornered, prices crater
    4. Rare items are still rare, just less a chance to find them.
    5. It has been categorically stated by the devs there will never be an auction house.

    Now, the reality is, you don't need one. Any common item can be found at one of the trading hubs. Rare items, well they are supposed to be hard to find, just because you have gold should not remove that effort. And, bargains, the other reason people ask for AH. Time is money, you either spend time to save money, or you spend money to save time, you don't get both.

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    The funny thing is most of the players saying Guild Traders are awesome are the ones reaping millions weekly from ghost trader sales and capital alliances.( possibility they have no clue in what goes on behind the scenes)

    Since I can’t name and shame. Just travel to certain hubs and see them all ghosted. Either to sell or as a backup.
    #FACTS
    Btw I could expose some on these board if it wasn’t for TOS.
    Alliances controlling capital traders is no different then the so called only a few will control the AH nonsense.
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    I like the guild trader system and I don't mind looking for stuff. It's my choice if I want to farm for it or pay the asking price.

    I find auction houses in other games (GW2, SWL, BDO, for example) to be fairly boring and they could just be replaced with NPC vendors that have random stuff instead.
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  • Myrkgrav
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    I will forever and always hate the guild traders. I get it, yeah it's neat, but holy crap it's obnoxious. The loading. The having to use a 3rd party to find what I want. Finally getting there and it's gone all ready. Plus as has been pointed out, the behind the scenes manipulation and reservation. It's just not even remotely enjoyable.
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  • kathandira
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    While I agree that the Guild Trader system is terrible, most people on the forums will end up disagreeing with you. It is a very greed centric system due to the fact that the more money a guild makes, the more biding power they have, and the less a guild makes, the less biding power they have. And those who like the system, are more than likely those who gain the most from it.
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  • Nestor
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    jazsper77 wrote: »
    The funny thing is most of the players saying Guild Traders are awesome are the ones reaping millions weekly from ghost trader sales and capital alliances.( possibility they have no clue in what goes on behind the scenes)

    Since I can’t name and shame. Just travel to certain hubs and see them all ghosted. Either to sell or as a backup.
    #FACTS
    Btw I could expose some on these board if it wasn’t for TOS.
    Alliances controlling capital traders is no different then the so called only a few will control the AH nonsense.

    This does not happen on the PC Platforms. I hear reports of it happening on the PS4 platform, although the 50 member requirement to have a guild store is pretty daunting to create new guilds each week. Anyway, this is easily addressed by just making the Kiosk dead for the week if the Guild disband. That will take care of the so called ghosts.

    Still not a reason to go to an auction house.
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