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profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

ok this will for sure set some fire but here goes a crazy idea for a possible future patch note:


-queuing as dps for any VETERAN dungeon no longer queues you straight away but instead now teleports you to a small room with only a test dummy and a start button. After pressing the button a 3 sec countdown timer starts after which you have to unleash your maximum dmge on the test dummy during 1 minute and kill it before those 60 seconds expire . The higher your dps the higher you end up on the queuing priority list and if you fail to meet the minimum dps check threshold by not being able to kill the dummy in that 1 minute timeframe it explodes, killing you in the process as well as teleporting you back outside. =P

that should solve all the issues with low dps in vet dungeons

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Nah. Not a fan of the idea. Say I want to do a Random Vet Dungeon, and I have a pre-made group of 4 players. We are aware that there is a person in the group who is low on DPS, but we want to carry our friend through it. Now we are not allowed to bring them.

Not a fan of this idea.

kathandira wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

ok this will for sure set some fire but here goes a crazy idea for a possible future patch note:


-queuing as dps for any VETERAN dungeon no longer queues you straight away but instead now teleports you to a small room with only a test dummy and a start button. After pressing the button a 3 sec countdown timer starts after which you have to unleash your maximum dmge on the test dummy during 1 minute and kill it before those 60 seconds expire . The higher your dps the higher you end up on the queuing priority list and if you fail to meet the minimum dps check threshold by not being able to kill the dummy in that 1 minute timeframe it explodes, killing you in the process as well as teleporting you back outside. =P

that should solve all the issues with low dps in vet dungeons

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Nah. Not a fan of the idea. Say I want to do a Random Vet Dungeon, and I have a pre-made group of 4 players. We are aware that there is a person in the group who is low on DPS, but we want to carry our friend through it. Now we are not allowed to bring them.

Not a fan of this idea.

Wrong. This would only apply to random group finder. You and your premade team could still perfectly go in manually

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

APRIL FOOLS! HAHAHA!

This is a great joke.

Thank you for the laugh.

you're very welcome

Aside from all of the obvious bad, there's also the additional challenge of making this work. The RDF is already broken, adding yet another mechanism would likely just end up with any one in queue being blown up and teleported out regardless of their DPS, and then brought right back, blown up again, repeat as many times as we got a "someone declined queue" during the Undaunted Event.

Agenericname wrote: »

Aside from all of the obvious bad, there's also the additional challenge of making this work. The RDF is already broken, adding yet another mechanism would likely just end up with any one in queue being blown up and teleported out regardless of their DPS, and then brought right back, blown up again, repeat as many times as we got a "someone declined queue" during the Undaunted Event.

Yes, I would agree here. The practical implementation of what I proposed would most likely end up being something like:

You get teleported into open space and keep falling forever, unable to do anything except launch a support ticket ! =P

So I managed to hit 29k(knowing all mechanics for vet content) because my dog just jumped on my lap and that single test should define me as an crap player,put me in the end of the line to wait next test😳Yeah,in order to save few minutes content time,we should instead use it for tests that will have too many variables.Idea but not well thought idea.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

This is great idea, though it should be not only for dps, but for healers and tanks too. Not before every dungeon, but one-time certification (Which could be updated to get access to more content). Certification resets if abilities, CP or skill points were reset.

agreed. Been advocating that since 2016: something like a rework of the random group finder where vet DLC dungeons get their own separate queue so that people can choose to queue for either "Normal (classic + DLC)", "Veteran (classic)" or "Veteran DLC" in the random group finder dungeon. Maybe even add queues for normal trials as an optional feature.

Introduce vMA-style solo trials per core role (healing/tanking/dd) that test abilities in the field under stress and qualify you for that specific role to be able to queue for the "veteran (classic)" and "veteran DLC" queues in group finder. Without the matching qualification those vet queues are locked by default, waiting for you to unlock them. The "Normal" queue would remain free to all without need for qualification. Successfully passing round 3 qualifies you for "veteran (classic)" while passing round 5 qualifies you for "vet dlc".

Each round becomes more difficult to match and represents the hardest portions of the category you whish to qualify for to ensure that you are ready for this level of play.

So cater to the better/more experienced players by letting them queue faster?

We all know ZOS operates the other way around and caters to the newer and more casual players

This might help overall, while causing some pain points in certain fringe situations described above.

However, it won't fully address the problem.

I was going to create a whole new rant thread about this, and I still might, but I'll mention it here.

I spent 2 hours trying to clear vet fang lair yesterday afternoon. I was on my new stamplar (no undaunted passives, no caltrops so by no means ideal). The joys of random queue! I was doing maybe 25k DPS, and noticed very early on that I was doing 65-70% of group dps. We managed to slog our way through it, up until the bone beasts.

After a 7:00 pull where we got the bear to maybe 30%, I just flat-out asked the other dps what his dummy parse was. "I don't dummy parse. I'm an RP-er who occasionally dabbles in PvE". Of course we immediately kicked him, got a new dps, and downed it in 3 or 4 minutes next pull. So yes, having some kind of dps gate is important, with the way the meta currently is (which I don't support, but that's beside the point right now I guess).

The main point I'm trying to make happened later. We finally got to Thurvokuun (I think that's his name?). And our tank goes down like a sack of bricks. Every. Freaking. Time. Our roadblock had switched from DPS to mechanics. From what I gathered over the next hour or so, the scarab that spawns is what messes up the tank. As dps we were too busy trying to keep the crystals at bay, so eventually I decided to just solo the crystals and keep the other dps on scarab duty. In order to not push the phase, he basically just sat there and killed scarabs. And it actually worked.

It worked, up until the deathwalls. During the deathwall phase, somebody would always die. Usually the replacement tank, sometimes the other dps. But going into the next phase with deaths is really hard to recover from. We kept throwing ourselves at it until we reached the last phase, but then we'd always have one or two deaths due to the poison projectiles. We just didn't have enough coordination to stand in different light areas. From there, the healer left and we decided to just call it. 2 hours of my life just gone.

The point I'm trying to make with this long rant is that simply upping dps won't necessarily allow groups to seamlessly clear content. I also just disagree with a lot of aspects of DLC dungeons in general though. I'd like to have a long conversation with the PvE planning team about their goals and what they're trying to achieve doing things the way they do, but that's neither here nor there.

Alternatively they could make a practice dummy that unlocks various content for you. 1st time you queue as a dps, you are automatically placed in the room with it. After that you are free to go in there anytime you want and check your dps.

This dummy functions like any other dummy.

10k gets you into all the base game vet dungeons.
20k gets you into WGT and ICP
25k gets you into any pre-Horns of the Reach content
30k gets you into HOTR and later content

This would also solve the issue of people not wanting to do dlc with randos, since they could purposefully perform badly to exclude content they don't want to do.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

I'll sound unpopular, but I frankly don't mind that the group finder is a bit of a gamble and you never know what you'll get. Running with many different people of varying skill is part of how both you and they get better. And hey, it's MMO, that's how people learn of their weaknesses and how to improve - by learning from other players.

Granted, there are outliers, I ran vVoM (HM included) another day with a curious 17k health tank with two-hander and without taunt, but that's another sort of problem in the community.

The uncertainty of the group finder, is in my opinion one of the more appealing aspects of it, in certain dungeons. I like PUGing some of the vets and vet DLCs, you couldn't drag me into normal PUG.