"Perfected" Magicka VO (False God's Devotion)

lassitershawn · March 2019

I think this magicka VO set is interesting in concept and I am excited for its introduction. It looks like it could be a good equalizer between breton and altmer right now on classes where bretons are currently performing better due to the ability to sustain well and run bifood (mostly sorc and templar). Presumably even frontbarred this set would allow an altmer to have much stronger sustain than on live and run bifood while benefiting from their SD racial passive. If this is the case the racial comparison would look something like this pre buffs (lets assume breton is wearing BSW a common and excellent damage set and both races are wearing MS on body, a common setup for a lot of content):

ALTMER:
Crit
Minor Slayer
Crit (applies to one bar if frontbarred)
8% cost reduction, Spell Damage, 2k mag return on kill (applies to one bar if frontbarred)
259 SD (racial)

BRETON:
Mag
SD
Crit (applies to one bar if frontbarred)
273 SD, burning damage (52% +-2% uptime seems to be my most common uptime for this set if frontbarred)
7% cost reduction, 100 regen (racial)

This seems like a pretty good way to equalize the two races in cases where breton is currently performing better. The line of crit and slayer are actually superior to the lines of mag and SD on BSW and you'll have slightly more average SD on altmer in False God in exchange for a little raw damage from burning. Maybe a tad less sustain than breton as well as less spell resist but not a noticeable amount most likely.

However, IF False God's Devotion gets a perfected version (which I've been hearing is the case), and it gets an extra line of magicka (presumably this would be the bonus based on summerset perfected sets) on the 5pc, it might become an overloaded set. The balance would shift very clearly in favor of altmer whereas with "imperfect" False God (exact magicka copy of VO) the races appear to be more or less equal. The races being more or less equal appears to be an ideal state of affairs to me (also I've been waiting years for my breton sorc to be considered "good" :P ) so I would hope that ZoS is careful in balancing this set and its perfected version. Not being alarmist and definitely speculating here but I thought I'd give this a mention anyways.

Masel · March 2019

The version floating around IS the perfected one. The SD bonus is only one the perfect version.

Hotdog_23 · March 2019

I really hope they don't make perfect and imperfect versions as it only separates the elite players even more from the average player. Only the better players will get the perfect version which in turn will make them even stronger. Which may lead to even more people asking for harder content because the perfect sets give them even more damage and ZOS listens and delivers the harder content that locks the average player out. I believe they said only 10% of player had even completed the harder DLC dungeons.

AbysmalGhul · March 2019

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

I really hope they don't make perfect and imperfect versions as it only separates the elite players even more from the average player. Only the better players will get the perfect version which in turn will make them even stronger. Which may lead to even more people asking for harder content because the perfect sets give them even more damage and ZOS listens and delivers the harder content that locks the average player out. I believe they said only 10% of player had even completed the harder DLC dungeons.

That itty bitty amount of spell damage isn't going to turn you into the Hulk.

I can't wait to earn it! My Dumner can finally sustain like a boss.

*edit* I can finally become the Dumner/Breton hybrid I always wanted to be! The looks of a Dumner and the sustain of a Breton! * Rubs hand together in excitement* mwahahaha mwhahahahah mwahahahaha mwahahahaha mwahahaha

Lord_Eomer · March 2019

Masel wrote: »

The version floating around IS the perfected one. The SD bonus is only one the perfect version.

It should not be as VO is not behind Perfect version and easier to obtained.

It looks to me that this trial may not have perfect version as HM rewards mount and Vet rewards Skin

pod88kk · March 2019

Slightly off topic but what would people think about a perfect version of VO for completion of the HM Craglorn trials?

General_Zeranth · March 2019

pod88kk wrote: »

Slightly off topic but what would people think about a perfect version of VO for completion of the HM Craglorn trials?

Please no... I had a hard enough time getting the first set of VO. I'd rather not see a perfected version of it ever.

lassitershawn · March 2019

Masel wrote: »

The version floating around IS the perfected one. The SD bonus is only one the perfect version.

I’m going to assume that you’re right (and in this case kudos to ZoS for balancing well), I figured it was imperfect considering the other sets we were given were clearly imperfect and as it was shown it was already a mirror of live stam VO.

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

The version floating around IS the perfected one. The SD bonus is only one the perfect version.

It should not be as VO is not behind Perfect version and easier to obtained.

It looks to me that this trial may not have perfect version as HM rewards mount and Vet rewards Skin

Maximum quality sets should be balanced against other possible combos as much as possible imo. The main problem if this set became overloaded however is that it would not work equally well on all races and would make breton pretty useless by giving altmer waaaay better stats and bifood ability. The version with just a line of 129 SD is pretty balanced but anything else would be way overkill. The set is actually useless on breton because it makes sustain WAAAAY overkill so its use on altmer NEEDS to be balanced against breton wearing a full damage set (keep in mind with 2 crit lines, minor slayer, and potentially two 5PC damage bonuses this set would be pretty solid already even before the crazy sustain on the 5pc.

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

I really hope they don't make perfect and imperfect versions as it only separates the elite players even more from the average player. Only the better players will get the perfect version which in turn will make them even stronger. Which may lead to even more people asking for harder content because the perfect sets give them even more damage and ZOS listens and delivers the harder content that locks the average player out. I believe they said only 10% of player had even completed the harder DLC dungeons.

That itty bitty amount of spell damage isn't going to turn you into the Hulk.

I can't wait to earn it! My Dumner can finally sustain like a boss.

*edit* I can finally become the Dumner/Breton hybrid I always wanted to be! The looks of a Dumner and the sustain of a Breton! * Rubs hand together in excitement* mwahahaha mwhahahahah mwahahahaha mwahahahaha mwahahaha

The current version we’ve been shown allows this just fine and might even edge out breton DPS wearing a set like BSW or SS by a little bit. All arguments I made with regard to altmer apply to dunmer as well. Anything ELSE on the 5th piece for damage besides 129 SD would be overloaded is what I’m saying.

zaria · March 2019

Problem with VO is that you need kills to feed it, this makes it extremely strong in add / mob rich environments.
Useless on single high health boss with few to none adds.
You can swap sets between fights however.

lassitershawn · March 2019

zaria wrote: »

Problem with VO is that you need kills to feed it, this makes it extremely strong in add / mob rich environments.
Useless on single high health boss with few to none adds.
You can swap sets between fights however.

The 8% cost reduction is strong and on mag VO specifically this cost reduction is actually usable hence why people run bretons. The 2k resource restore on kill is just a bonus. The point of this thread is to ensure that this set isn't overtuned on altmer (who might and probably will use this set) vs breton (where the set is huge overkill and unusable) using a full damage set. The HOPE is that classes where breton is currently considered BiS will be able to go altmer with mag VO or breton with a full damage set and have more or less equal damage output (balance).

Sythen88411 · March 2019

What is VO

lassitershawn · March 2019

Sythen88411 wrote: »

What is VO

Vicious Ophidian. It is identical to the new False God's Devotion set being discussed here but with stamina bonuses. I'm calling it mag VO in some cases so that people know what I'm talking about, I doubt False God's Devotion is widely known as the name for the new set yet.

zaria · March 2019

Sythen88411 wrote: »

What is VO

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Vicious+Serpent+Set
an set who restore stamina on kills, bis in vma on stamina builds, at least outside of Borsmer and Redguardss

T3hasiangod · April 2019

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

The version floating around IS the perfected one. The SD bonus is only one the perfect version.

It should not be as VO is not behind Perfect version and easier to obtained.

It looks to me that this trial may not have perfect version as HM rewards mount and Vet rewards Skin

I believe that it was confirmed by a dev at PAX that there will be no Perfected versions of the new sets, though that's what I've heard from people who attended PAX. No official statement on paper yet.