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Regarding the proposed changes to NB Class
BLAINE1245
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I know these are "rumored" and are still in the works and debate prior to going live. I created a forum account due to Wrathstone going live after having played this game for well over a year. I play one and only one character. A Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. This combination has been hindered (nerfed) via countless updates. The most concerning prior to now being the Wrathstone update which entirely eliminated bonus damage from stealth (the major perk of being Khajiit when other races have much better recovery and resources) as well as converting our 8% critical chance to a 10% critical damage bonus. Critical damage yields zero gain without a high chance of critical hits. Now the nightblade also loses Snipe (I know there's regular complaints but it's certainly on par with Take Flight and Endless Fury). There's also the whirlwind skill which is proposed to lose it's execute as well as grim focus losing the 8% bonus to all damage. I've played this game and only this game with this single character for all of my 50+ plus days played. These proposed changes will truly ruin my experience and destroy the way I enjoy playing my character daily.
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »I know these are "rumored" and are still in the works and debate prior to going live. I created a forum account due to Wrathstone going live after having played this game for well over a year. I play one and only one character. A Khajiit Stamina Nightblade. This combination has been hindered (nerfed) via countless updates. The most concerning prior to now being the Wrathstone update which entirely eliminated bonus damage from stealth (the major perk of being Khajiit when other races have much better recovery and resources) as well as converting our 8% critical chance to a 10% critical damage bonus. Critical damage yields zero gain without a high chance of critical hits. Now the nightblade also loses Snipe (I know there's regular complaints but it's certainly on par with Take Flight and Endless Fury). There's also the whirlwind skill which is proposed to lose it's execute as well as grim focus losing the 8% bonus to all damage. I've played this game and only this game with this single character for all of my 50+ plus days played. These proposed changes will truly ruin my experience and destroy the way I enjoy playing my character daily.
Adapt.18 -
BLAINE1245✭✭KhajiitFelix wrote: »Nobody said they are going to remove snipe.
True. They aren't proposing to remove snipe but are proposing to halve the initial damage and reduce major defile to minor defile which is quite a major reduction.2 -
BLAINE1245✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Adapt= Play only dizzy swing spam 2H.
Exactly. Which a stamnb dual wield character does not have.1 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You've got room to make other characters, why not expand your horizons and try something new?6 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You've got room to make other characters, why not expand your horizons and try something new?
I have characters of all classes so I am against any nerfs. If some gear-class combination is OP, nerf gear not class. But of course one-trick ponies are always ready to support nerf of classes they don't use.22 -
BLAINE1245✭✭You've got room to make other characters, why not expand your horizons and try something new?
I have tried. The alts I've created aren't nearly as enjoyable to play and I can't be bothered to play through all the same content and level each skill and gather skyshards more than once on top of leveling the mount and bank and all else.5 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 4338 -
BLAINE1245✭✭A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.0 -
RusevCrush✭✭✭I'm in a similar situation as the op and am also concerned about how changes to relentless focus will affect nightblade play considering it's the core skill. However, I'm waiting to see how the skill is reworked before I freak out.4
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MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
―Ulrich Leland, 3E 43310 -
BLAINE1245✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.3 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.13 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.19 -
BLAINE1245✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?3 -
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✭✭✭BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
This is an outright lie. On release, the game was horribly broken that Vampire MagicDK was God Tier for practially everything in the entire game, being nearly unkillable with infinite resources and hitting Armor Cap in Light Armor with nothing but Spiked Armor. NB was complete trash tier for years and didn't even become truly good until Morrowind nerfed everyone's sustain and allowed them to shine with Siphoning Strikes but that was a long time after launch.Argonian forever26 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
This is an outright lie. On release, the game was horribly broken that Vampire MagicDK was God Tier for practially everything in the entire game, being nearly unkillable with infinite resources and hitting Armor Cap in Light Armor with nothing but Spiked Armor. NB was complete trash tier for years and didn't even become truly good until Morrowind nerfed everyone's sustain and allowed them to shine with Siphoning Strikes but that was a long time after launch.
Not to mention that Templars were broken at the time as well cause Jabs could stun lock you and there wasn't any stun immunity.4 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And we mustn't forget that NB were already nerfed consecutively several times while templars buffed at U20 and sorcs in U21. With this nerf it will be no point to play nightblade at all, at least in magicka setup. DK are at least BiS tanks and Warden shine in PVP and overall are very casual class to play. MagNB is hard to play, sucks in PVP, worst tank and now will be mediocre dps... fine.9 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.2 -
BLAINE1245✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
This is an outright lie. On release, the game was horribly broken that Vampire MagicDK was God Tier for practially everything in the entire game, being nearly unkillable with infinite resources and hitting Armor Cap in Light Armor with nothing but Spiked Armor. NB was complete trash tier for years and didn't even become truly good until Morrowind nerfed everyone's sustain and allowed them to shine with Siphoning Strikes but that was a long time after launch.
This. Let's not forget the "slight" sustain nerf we received recently that requires the spectral bow (Assassin's will) to consume more stamina to fire where previously it only required stamina to initiate.5 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
Every single magic class has better survivability than stambalde. Stamdens have better survivability. They get extra health passively, and every animal skill they use heals them as well as lotus with light or heavy attacks. Stamdk are built to be tanks, they are the definition of survivable. Stamplars are have their resource sustain built onto their resistance buff, not to mention minor protection with their jabs.5 -
BLAINE1245✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
I cannot adequately argue which classes have better sustain than a nightblade as again I have only played this one character. That being said, I can assure you the classes are balanced as is when taking into account their specified role. Regarding sustain, if you want a comparison for siphoning you can look at dragonknight's combustion ability given almost all their primary abilities apply the burn debuff. Don't bother to mention shields nor pets as a counter to the very minimal healing siphoning rewards.
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✭Dracan_Fontom wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
Every single magic class has better survivability than stambalde. Stamdens have better survivability. They get extra health passively, and every animal skill they use heals them as well as lotus with light or heavy attacks. Stamdk are built to be tanks, they are the definition of survivable. Stamplars are have their resource sustain built onto their resistance buff, not to mention minor protection with their jabs.
Uhh SDK only has the spell resist passive. So no. Absolutely wrong. Warden observation is also incorrect. Before comparing classes you will need more experience with them.-Immortal Redeemer-
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✭✭Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »Dracan_Fontom wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
Every single magic class has better survivability than stambalde. Stamdens have better survivability. They get extra health passively, and every animal skill they use heals them as well as lotus with light or heavy attacks. Stamdk are built to be tanks, they are the definition of survivable. Stamplars are have their resource sustain built onto their resistance buff, not to mention minor protection with their jabs.
Uhh SDK only has the spell resist passive. So no. Absolutely wrong. Warden observation is also incorrect. Before comparing classes you will need more experience with them.
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Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »Dracan_Fontom wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
Every single magic class has better survivability than stambalde. Stamdens have better survivability. They get extra health passively, and every animal skill they use heals them as well as lotus with light or heavy attacks. Stamdk are built to be tanks, they are the definition of survivable. Stamplars are have their resource sustain built onto their resistance buff, not to mention minor protection with their jabs.
Uhh SDK only has the spell resist passive. So no. Absolutely wrong. Warden observation is also incorrect. Before comparing classes you will need more experience with them.
By logic, extra spell resistance makes them MORE SURVIVABLE. Every ulti a dk use will HEAL them. How does that NOT make them more survivable than a nb?
As for warden, how tf is that wrong? They have a passive that gives them healing whenever they an animal companion skill disappears. Every warden - mag or stam - will use shalks. They will use the netch. Magden will use beetles, and may cliff racer. Stamden may use clif racer as well. All of those will heal them when the skill ends, some more often than others. All warden will use 1 morph of lotus, it gives them extra crit. That will heal them whenever they light or heavy attack. A staple of the game's design. They have a passive that will increase their health by 10% by using ANY heal. How are they NOT more survivable? Maybe it's you who needs more experience with them.9 -
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✭✭✭Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »Dracan_Fontom wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Uh oh, someone's ez mode is getting turned off!
LMAO NB ez mode. NB is most skill-depenBLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
Ok, what about magblades, they are clearly underhanded in PVP, and in PVE this nerf won't matter in stack.. so most obvious way to nerf nightblades is nerf of surprise attack, and not of grim focus.
This nerf is not about balance, it's about sales of necromancer.
Yea unfortunately Magblade in PvP is getting hit with a significant nerf when in all actuality it needs buffs. Hopefully they’ll see buffs as well.BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »BLAINE1245 wrote: »A pungent smell permeates this thread, i believe this is the smell...of zerg.
Well howdy there feller, i just want to let you know that we don't take kindly to your types 'round here!
Zerg has no bearing on anything aforementioned. I don't play Cyrodiil except to earn my 50 transmute crystals. My play is almost entirely PVE (trials, dungeons etc.) with battlegrounds being a smaller portion.
Then you should know that nightblades have been top dps since the game was released, and they're trying to finally balance the class to make it even with the rest. Have some shame, and don't complain about a balance change when you've been top dps by a considerable margin since the release of the game.
There is absolutely no shame in playing a class specifically designed for a certain role. I don't care to tank or heal and have therefore decided upon this class for the sake of continuing the way I have played Oblivion, Morrowind and Skyrim. Nightblade is a powerful class and rightfully so given their obvious flaws in other aspects of combat such as survivability and sustainability.
Errr, wrong, cloak and siphoning as well as passives give Stamblade arguably the best Survivability and Sustain of all stam classes.
As for spam dizzying? Joke? Stamblade has the best spammable in the game with Surprise Attack.
Adapt.
I disagree. Cloak has no use in PVE (again what I predominantly play) and siphoning certainly helps but is exactly equal to skills of other classes ie: Daedric summoner and Daedric protection which combined increase health and stamina recovery as well as maximum health. Spammables? Also equivalent. Jabs?
Stamblade has siphoning and 15% stamina regen and health regen. Not sure what your point there is. And if it’s PvE, what classes have better survivability then Stamblade? Stamsorc is the only one I can think of with 100% uptime on major resolve/ward...other then that Stamblade gets it natively from their spammable wheras thenother classes have to use a non dps ability to get it. Everyone has vigor. Other morph of cloak heals. I’m not sure at all where your point is.
Every single magic class has better survivability than stambalde. Stamdens have better survivability. They get extra health passively, and every animal skill they use heals them as well as lotus with light or heavy attacks. Stamdk are built to be tanks, they are the definition of survivable. Stamplars are have their resource sustain built onto their resistance buff, not to mention minor protection with their jabs.
Uhh SDK only has the spell resist passive. So no. Absolutely wrong. Warden observation is also incorrect. Before comparing classes you will need more experience with them.
Can you give a single reason other than, "You're wrong" because I can name a few reasons as to why YOUR statement is wrong. For starters, StamDK get a buff to their survivability every time they drop an Ultimate since the Battle Roar Passive restores a good chunk of Health and Resources each time and the extra Spell Resistance still makes them more survivable by default. Stamden does get health back passively just for using their Animal Companion skills, which also triggers their Minor Toughness passive, meaning they naturally have more health than NB, while also having Major Mending, meaning their heals are also stronger than that of a NB.
So, tell me, what exactly is "wrong" with @Dracan_Fontom statement?Argonian forever5 -
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✭✭What does healing matter in PvE where you have a healer? I’m so lost right now. VMA is the only place that is relevant so the claim should then be changed go “Stamblades have some of the worst survivability in VMA”3