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Nail in the coffin to Crown Crybabies
JediCody
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TL;DR: MMOs have changed how millions of gamers across the world invest themselves in to their games and there is nothing wrong with that.
MMOs, for many years now, have changed the way people look at and play games. Millions of people across the globe no longer look at their 'games' (MMOs) as just 'games'. To many (like me and I'm sure very many here on the boards), MMOs are another life, and they treat it accordingly; and there is nothing wrong with that, because it is their choice.
Thus, they are willing to spend money on things they don't necessarily need. I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go... IRL, if there is a market for something, it will be marketed to.... and there is nothing wrong with that. It's called business. Yea, that's the same thing that pays you your personnel income that keeps your electricity on so you have the ability to go on these boards and complain about the very business model (hello Capitalism) that keeps your lights on.
I understand the gambling bit, but I really doubt you go too your State Capitol and protest online gambling, casinos, the lottery, etc.. People do what they do and it's not against the law in many ways across the world for good reason.
No one will criticize you for ordering pizza or eating at a restaurant because YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN JUST AS FULL ON TOP RAMEN AT HOME. Eating out and ordering in are 'microstransactions' IRL. Wake up.
I for one am proud to support ZoS (and thus their very livelihoods and families) with occasional Crown Store purchases.
Edited by JediCody on March 29, 2019 11:00AM MMOs, for many years now, have changed the way people look at and play games. Millions of people across the globe no longer look at their 'games' (MMOs) as just 'games'. To many (like me and I'm sure very many here on the boards), MMOs are another life, and they treat it accordingly; and there is nothing wrong with that, because it is their choice.
Thus, they are willing to spend money on things they don't necessarily need. I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go... IRL, if there is a market for something, it will be marketed to.... and there is nothing wrong with that. It's called business. Yea, that's the same thing that pays you your personnel income that keeps your electricity on so you have the ability to go on these boards and complain about the very business model (hello Capitalism) that keeps your lights on.
I understand the gambling bit, but I really doubt you go too your State Capitol and protest online gambling, casinos, the lottery, etc.. People do what they do and it's not against the law in many ways across the world for good reason.
No one will criticize you for ordering pizza or eating at a restaurant because YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN JUST AS FULL ON TOP RAMEN AT HOME. Eating out and ordering in are 'microstransactions' IRL. Wake up.
I for one am proud to support ZoS (and thus their very livelihoods and families) with occasional Crown Store purchases.
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Burtan✭✭✭✭Buy and sell what you want, just dont expect players to stick around if additional purchases become mandatory to compete with others.Edited by Burtan on March 29, 2019 11:10AM11 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There's nothing wrong in complaining. People complain because they ARE investend in this game, because they love it. And the game inventing more and more ways of milking them out of money while ignoring the obvious persisting technical problems is a valid reason to complain. As for business practices there are business practices and then there are scummy business practices. And gambling is one such practice, no sugarcoating that. ESO's not a casino, you don't come to ESO for gambling. And to be frank, you have better odds of winning in the casino than with this game's rng.
And you must be pretty naive if you're thinking that all this extra profit goes to the people making and maintaining the game. Nope, it goes to a few board members pockets who just can't get enough."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭Very naive attitude. Image watching tv and getting a skip commercial option for each commercial block for 5$. Before long commercials will become so annoying and long, that people are very much tempted to buy these. And people that don’t, end up with extra annoying and long commercials. Next step, gambling boxes that contain enhancements. A 10% chance to be able to listen to your favorite show in full surround, a 5% chance to unlock 4k quality, a 1% chance to watch the next episode a day earlier, etc.
Now people would scream if this were ever to happen, but somehow its fine in video games?12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am fine with companies/games having cash shops and making money.
I just don't like their attempts to exploit, manipulate and mislead people to make more money.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."15 -
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OP is thinking that "luxury" items in MMO is the same then in IRL. Of course it is not.
I mean if somebody owns Ferrari, he/she gathers a lot of positive attention, even if that car is earned by thieving/sleeping/being somebody's child etc...
But when you see guys in ESO on those 350 gems sticks or 600 gems mounts, you just think. lmao dude wasted several hundred bucks on pixels.
[edited to remove quoted content]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on March 29, 2019 3:01PM6 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE FVCK IS GOING ON
OP is thinking that "luxury" items in MMO is the same then in IRL. Of course it is not.
I mean if somebody owns Ferrari, he/she gathers a lot of positive attention, even if that car is earned by thieving/sleeping/being somebody's child etc...
But when you see guys in ESO on those 350 gems sticks or 600 gems mounts, you just think. lmao dude wasted several hundred bucks on pixels.
Ohhhh, is this about that silly looking spider mount thing. Yeah it's worth a lot of money, but it's just a cosmetic. If people want to waste their hard-earned cash on a burning toilet with legs, then by all means6 -
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE FVCK IS GOING ON
OP is thinking that "luxury" items in MMO is the same then in IRL. Of course it is not.
I mean if somebody owns Ferrari, he/she gathers a lot of positive attention, even if that car is earned by thieving/sleeping/being somebody's child etc...
But when you see guys in ESO on those 350 gems sticks or 600 gems mounts, you just think. lmao dude wasted several hundred bucks on pixels.
Ohhhh, is this about that silly looking spider mount thing. Yeah it's worth a lot of money, but it's just a cosmetic. If people want to waste their hard-earned cash on a burning toilet with legs, then by all means
Hey, burning toilets with legs are awesome! But they should be cheap as dirt! That's what it's all about!
"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
―Sotha Sil
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✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE FVCK IS GOING ON
OP is thinking that "luxury" items in MMO is the same then in IRL. Of course it is not.
I mean if somebody owns Ferrari, he/she gathers a lot of positive attention, even if that car is earned by thieving/sleeping/being somebody's child etc...
But when you see guys in ESO on those 350 gems sticks or 600 gems mounts, you just think. lmao dude wasted several hundred bucks on pixels.
Ohhhh, is this about that silly looking spider mount thing. Yeah it's worth a lot of money, but it's just a cosmetic. If people want to waste their hard-earned cash on a burning toilet with legs, then by all means
Thank you for your TL;DR
Is that the stupid yellow and black thing that's been roaming around?
I'm quite happy atop my high stick-guar, thankee very much.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Looking at it from the other side when I'm at work I like getting feedback from my clients because it helps me make informed decisions.
Well, it depends on the feedback of course. Something like the OPs post where I'm not sure what they're going on about other than seemingly being offended that other people choose to spend their money differently aren't helpful.
But when people get in touch to say "I decided to buy/not buy X because..." or "I don't use this service because..." and explain their reasons it enables me to address the problem. If it's too expensive maybe we can find a cheaper alternative, if it's too complicated maybe we can make it easier. Or maybe they've misunderstood something and all it needs is someone to explain it.
For example we had an online reporting system which was getting very little use with the target demographic in spite of being incredibly simple to use and exactly what they'd said they wanted. It turned out that while the system was easy to use the manual was very long-winded, archaic and confusing...and somehow also managed to contain very little practical information. Exactly what you don't want for a system aimed at people who aren't confident using computers. I re-wrote it and ended up with something less than 1/2 the size with more pictures, more relevant information and hopefully easier to use (and managed to knock out large print and Welsh versions in the process). Problem solved - now a lot more people are happy using the system.
But without that feedback we would never have known what the problem was and could have wasted a lot of time and money trying to find a whole new system for them to use, or giving up on online reporting as not appropriate for this group.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Bad metaphors are bad. I understand that people will spend money if they want to spend money. That said, virtual pixels with zero marginal cost are not equivalent to restaurant food. Lottery boxes entirely controlled, in an opaque manner, by a game publisher are not equivalent to restaurant food. Anyone spending money on in-game purchases and promoting this sort of monetization is a fool in my book. Your opinion may differ, and that's fine.6 -
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✭✭The casino argument makes zero sense.
Do you know why there's so many restrictions on gambling?
Because tons of people have been complaining about it since casinos became a thing!
Also I think it's dangerous to think of an MMO as a second life, but not my place to question that.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on March 29, 2019 11:48AM5 -
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✭✭i'm not sure "real life" and video games can be so literally compared as you seem to be trying to here
i do agree that video games are very different now, for better or for worse. the idea of continued payments after a game's release should in theory be counteracted by quality continued support and updates, although that is not always the case of course.
people love to dunk on microtransactions all the time and conveniently forget that games receiving consistent patches and support after release is still a relatively new thing. in the case of mmos, this was usually made up for through subscriptions, but that's been proving less successful nowadays so the alternative has become microtransactions
better or worse? i don't know exactly, it's something i still have a lot to think about onskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Hear, hear!I just don't like their attempts to exploit, manipulate and mislead people to make more money.
Also, what is your obsession with millennials? The time period that someone was born in does not determine their ability to comprehend predatory methods companies use to exploit and manipulate people to make money. That is a rather shortsighted point of view. Also, ageism is against the ToS so you might want to tone back on the whole "making fun of millennials is fun" attitude.I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go...Edited by Suddwrath on March 29, 2019 12:18PM12 -
Fluke.Slywalker✭✭✭I don't see the direction this was going in, but if it's just a piece of your mind on the subject then I agree, almost entirely.
Besides, there is always a choice. The game can be bought in it's vanilla state and played without any DLC or crowns needed.
It would be very limited by current standards and the crown store is there to tempt you, but none of that is compulsory.0 -
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✭✭✭What does disliking crown crates have to do whether you think an mmo is a "another life" or not.
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"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
omegatay_ESO✭✭✭✭I would not have a problem, for the most part, if all the cool stuff did not go into those cursed gambling boxes. We all keep saying just give us the choice to buy, but greed always wins.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Crown Crybabies --- hmmm --- are they P2W? Sounds a bit OP to me.Edited by mairwen85 on March 29, 2019 12:45PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What if the new spider mount cost 50 cents? Would a large number complain about that? I say let people spend their money on whatever they want, as long as ZoS doesn’t start selling Maelstrom weapons and such."Get off my lawn!"0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭even the TLDR is bad
Hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Basically someone calling others crybabies whilst being one him/herself. these people don't do irony. Also has a superiority complex the thickness of a rope about millennials. Truly bizarre.
Then he goes on to use pizzanomics. Why do gamers do that? We absolutely love our pizzanomics. It's like comparing a lamppost to a turtle.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Hear, hear!I just don't like their attempts to exploit, manipulate and mislead people to make more money.
Also, what is your obsession with millennials? The time period that someone was born in does not determine their ability to comprehend predatory methods companies use to exploit and manipulate people to make money. That is a rather shortsighted point of view. Also, ageism is against the ToS so you might want to tone back on the whole "making fun of millennials is fun" attitude.I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go...
Pretty sure you just school this assuming tool.
I don’t even know what my generation is called (I’m in my 50s) but I don’t care about someone’s age. I look at the logic behind their statements. Every generation has bright people and hopeless people. I even know bright people who disagree with each other, so simply having a viewpoint doesn’t make you smart or stupid, as there is a lot of grey area on most things."Get off my lawn!"1 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭rotaugen454 wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Hear, hear!I just don't like their attempts to exploit, manipulate and mislead people to make more money.
Also, what is your obsession with millennials? The time period that someone was born in does not determine their ability to comprehend predatory methods companies use to exploit and manipulate people to make money. That is a rather shortsighted point of view. Also, ageism is against the ToS so you might want to tone back on the whole "making fun of millennials is fun" attitude.I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go...
Pretty sure you just school this assuming tool.
I don’t even know what my generation is called (I’m in my 50s) but I don’t care about someone’s age. I look at the logic behind their statements. Every generation has bright people and hopeless people. I even know bright people who disagree with each other, so simply having a viewpoint doesn’t make you smart or stupid, as there is a lot of grey area on most things.
You are conveniently forgetting that some view points are not grey though haha.. If someone walks around saying we should all live under the rule of a unicorn people would laugh at them. Rightly so.
You are right, often it does not make you stupid however lets not forget that a lot of view points really are stupid and based on literally no evidence.0 -
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That would make you either a babyboomer (born before 1965) or Generation X type (born in or after 1965)rotaugen454 wrote: »I don’t even know what my generation is called (I’m in my 50s)
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Crowe, Generation X
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WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭This isn't about growups mate this is about minors that are not able to fully comprehend the business tactics and are very receptive to addictive practices that release endorphins in the brain. Same tactics used in Social Media which should be addressed as well.
Yourself and myself that are in control of our lives and financial budgets we know what we are getting ourselves into. When we buy them we agree with the practice and that is oke. If we disagree we don't buy them hence we are adults.
So my advice there are much more perspectives in this world and not everyone is a snowflake because they think different that you. Thinking that makes you a snowflake because your post clearly shows you don't really have your emotions under control. Peace.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only1 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭My issue is not with microtransactions. My issue is that there's nothing "micro" about effin' twenty dollars.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Hear, hear!I just don't like their attempts to exploit, manipulate and mislead people to make more money.
Also, what is your obsession with millennials? The time period that someone was born in does not determine their ability to comprehend predatory methods companies use to exploit and manipulate people to make money. That is a rather shortsighted point of view. Also, ageism is against the ToS so you might want to tone back on the whole "making fun of millennials is fun" attitude.I'm not sure millennials and the forum crybabies will understand this, but here we go...
Pretty sure you just school this assuming tool.
I don’t even know what my generation is called (I’m in my 50s) but I don’t care about someone’s age. I look at the logic behind their statements. Every generation has bright people and hopeless people. I even know bright people who disagree with each other, so simply having a viewpoint doesn’t make you smart or stupid, as there is a lot of grey area on most things.
You are conveniently forgetting that some view points are not grey though haha.. If someone walks around saying we should all live under the rule of a unicorn people would laugh at them. Rightly so.
You are right, often it does not make you stupid however lets not forget that a lot of view points really are stupid and based on literally no evidence.
Yes, that’s why I look at the logic someone uses. I don’t know any bright flat earthers.
I am ok with the crown store as long as it sticks to mostly cosmetic items, but an avid RPer would disagree and I can understand why."Get off my lawn!"2
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