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Takeaway Broth prices are too damn high!
Nox_Noir
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Almost a year in, and the stuff is still more than twice as expensive to make as citrus filet.
Although Powdered Mother of pearl was made available as a drop from Alchemy crafting writs, the drop rate seems to be so low it hasn't affected the availability in the market AT ALL. I've been doing alchemy writs on 2 chars per day since wrathstone and haven't gotten a single one from them yet.
Either the drop rate of Mother of Pearl needs to be significantly increased, preferably from the writ rewards, rather than the rare resource node unique to a single zone that is locked behind an expansion. Or the amount of Pearls needed to craft a Broth needs to be reduced significantly, to 2 or at least 3. It's ridiculous that 5 of those are needed for the recipe.
ZOS's itemization people, y'all should take a hard look at this.
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I can confirm that the drop rate of Mother of Pearl from alchemy writs is so low, it's a non factor. I do 15 toons a day and have seen 2 batches drop, both in stacks of 3. So a hardcore writ crafter like myself can make one batch of Broth every month or so off of writs alone. That's not sustainable at all. If you were doing writs on only one toon, you could be looking at years.
I see a few things that could fix the problem. Either make the ingredients more widely available or make a recipe that is equivalent but requires other ingredients or perhaps ZOS is happy with the current price point for what they consider endgame buff food.
It may be meant as the sort of thing you use only in the toughest content and not a regular every day buff and if that's the case, the cost makes sense. However, if they are going with that logic, the disparity in price between the 2 gold versions (stam and mag) doesn't add up.16 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »I can confirm that the drop rate of Mother of Pearl from alchemy writs is so low, it's a non factor. I do 15 toons a day and have seen 2 batches drop, both in stacks of 3. So a hardcore writ crafter like myself can make one batch of Broth every month or so off of writs alone. That's not sustainable at all. If you were doing writs on only one toon, you could be looking at years.
I see a few things that could fix the problem. Either make the ingredients more widely available or make a recipe that is equivalent but requires other ingredients or perhaps ZOS is happy with the current price point for what they consider endgame buff food.
It may be meant as the sort of thing you use only in the toughest content and not a regular every day buff and if that's the case, the cost makes sense. However, if they are going with that logic, the disparity in price between the 2 gold versions (stam and mag) doesn't add up.
Genuinely didn’t know they could drop from writs. Can’t recall ever getting them. All my drops have come from farming. Definite drop rate improvement from writs, also adding them to loot tables from IC Alchemy Bags would be nice as well. Maybe even purchase with tel var.3 -
Cryptical✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don’t think zeni gives much of a crap about market price - because this isn’t a market merchant sim game.Xbox NA5 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭Perfect roe I’ve never really had an issue with although I’ve done a good chunk of fishing. At least that’s a fairly guaranteed by-product of the activity. Think I got 70 odd roe from my last Master Angler.2 -
Burtan✭✭✭✭No food should be this expensive, it removes this food as an option for the majority of the playerbase, being reserved only for top players with high enough income to sustain it.
The same thing can be said for Spell Power potions right now which have always been horrifically expensive but a single stack of 200 Cornflower is now approaching an average of 80,000 gold on PC EU.
With the impending influx of new and returning players with elsewyr, this is something to be looked at.9 -
DreadKnight✭✭✭✭I have 564 farmed MOP in my inventory an I got 3 Broth recipes last week from a small amount of fishing, don't see what the problem is. Go farm it!3 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭No food should be this expensive, it removes this food as an option for the majority of the playerbase, being reserved only for top players with high enough income to sustain it.
The same thing can be said for Spell Power potions right now which have always been horrifically expensive but a single stack of 200 Cornflower is now approaching an average of 80,000 gold on PC EU.
With the impending influx of new and returning players with elsewyr, this is something to be looked at.
this thread is not about this food is to expensive itself..it is to compare as it is not fair how expensive is stamina version food to magice version food, about this is this thread
so or lower craft cost for croth or raise craft boos for filet so this would be fair price for magica or stamina build2 -
Burtan✭✭✭✭No food should be this expensive, it removes this food as an option for the majority of the playerbase, being reserved only for top players with high enough income to sustain it.
The same thing can be said for Spell Power potions right now which have always been horrifically expensive but a single stack of 200 Cornflower is now approaching an average of 80,000 gold on PC EU.
With the impending influx of new and returning players with elsewyr, this is something to be looked at.
this thread is not about this food is to expensive itself..it is to compare as it is not fair how expensive is stamina version food to magice version food, about this is this thread
so or lower craft cost for croth or raise craft boos for filet so this would be fair price for magica or stamina build
The whole Stamina vs Magicka feud really isn't constructive and in my opinion we should look at fixing the problem rather than complaining that people who play magicka get something slightly cheaper than you, its a bit like two children fighting over toys.
I'll also add that health recovery is much more valuable to stamina setups than magicka, given the synergy stamina PvP builds often have with Troll King and HoTs.3 -
Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a crafter, I can say that if you don't like the prices set, then don't buy.
I have farmed three giant clams and got nothing. I have to pay for ingredients.
If you don't want to pay for spell pots, learn alchemy and make your own.
Whiney PvPers that want everything handed to them on a plate...3 -
Burtan✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »As a crafter, I can say that if you don't like the prices set, then don't buy.
I have farmed three giant clams and got nothing. I have to pay for ingredients.
If you don't want to pay for spell pots, learn alchemy and make your own.
Whiney PvPers that want everything handed to them on a plate...
Spell Power pots are used most in PvE and even when crafting them a single stack of cornflower can cost 74-80k gold. I personally do not use those pots and neither do the vast majority of PvPers.
But please, continue blaming everything on "Whiney PvPers"17 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭DreadKnight wrote: »I have 564 farmed MOP in my inventory an I got 3 Broth recipes last week from a small amount of fishing, don't see what the problem is. Go farm it!
You are an RNG God. This is bordering on the fabled streamer loot. Pray ZOS doesn't ever have to look at your account or something might mysteriously get changed.3 -
Wildberryjack✭✭✭✭✭
✭The drop rate on the Powdered Pearl is WAY too low, I get significantly more Perfect Roe and due to those also being used to make XP potions that all builds can use the Roe is more valuable. The Takeaway Broth is only good for Stamina builds. I use the few Pearls I get to make Alchemy potions.The purpose of art is washing the dust of daily life off our souls. ~Pablo Picasso1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Parrot1986 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I can confirm that the drop rate of Mother of Pearl from alchemy writs is so low, it's a non factor. I do 15 toons a day and have seen 2 batches drop, both in stacks of 3. So a hardcore writ crafter like myself can make one batch of Broth every month or so off of writs alone. That's not sustainable at all. If you were doing writs on only one toon, you could be looking at years.
I see a few things that could fix the problem. Either make the ingredients more widely available or make a recipe that is equivalent but requires other ingredients or perhaps ZOS is happy with the current price point for what they consider endgame buff food.
It may be meant as the sort of thing you use only in the toughest content and not a regular every day buff and if that's the case, the cost makes sense. However, if they are going with that logic, the disparity in price between the 2 gold versions (stam and mag) doesn't add up.
All my drops have come from farming.DreadKnight wrote: »I have 564 farmed MOP in my inventory an I got 3 Broth recipes last week from a small amount of fishing, don't see what the problem is. Go farm it!
you both mention farming the mother of pearl ingredient, how are you farming that ingredient?
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ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All I do is play BattleGrounds.
I don’t do pledges. I don’t run trials. I don’t do crafting writs. I don’t farm mats.
My only in game revenue comes from deconstructing BG/PvP rewards and selling the mats. Every now and then, I sell crowns at about 130-150 gold per crown.
Doing just that is enough to keep me well stocked in Artaeum gold food and Immovable pots.
Just wanted to let you know that it’s not impossible to buy those gold food mats. In fact, it’s pretty damn easy to keep them in your inventory.
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Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭Parrot1986 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I can confirm that the drop rate of Mother of Pearl from alchemy writs is so low, it's a non factor. I do 15 toons a day and have seen 2 batches drop, both in stacks of 3. So a hardcore writ crafter like myself can make one batch of Broth every month or so off of writs alone. That's not sustainable at all. If you were doing writs on only one toon, you could be looking at years.
I see a few things that could fix the problem. Either make the ingredients more widely available or make a recipe that is equivalent but requires other ingredients or perhaps ZOS is happy with the current price point for what they consider endgame buff food.
It may be meant as the sort of thing you use only in the toughest content and not a regular every day buff and if that's the case, the cost makes sense. However, if they are going with that logic, the disparity in price between the 2 gold versions (stam and mag) doesn't add up.
All my drops have come from farming.DreadKnight wrote: »I have 564 farmed MOP in my inventory an I got 3 Broth recipes last week from a small amount of fishing, don't see what the problem is. Go farm it!
you both mention farming the mother of pearl ingredient, how are you farming that ingredient?
Giant clams from a Summerset has them. It’s not a guaranteed drop though.Edited by Parrot1986 on March 27, 2019 3:08PM1 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I look at it from the supply side. I sell everything, but I'm hesitant to sell broth because I get more value from using it than I would from the gold. In that sense, the prices arent high enough.forever stuck in combat0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Parrot1986 wrote: »Parrot1986 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »I can confirm that the drop rate of Mother of Pearl from alchemy writs is so low, it's a non factor. I do 15 toons a day and have seen 2 batches drop, both in stacks of 3. So a hardcore writ crafter like myself can make one batch of Broth every month or so off of writs alone. That's not sustainable at all. If you were doing writs on only one toon, you could be looking at years.
I see a few things that could fix the problem. Either make the ingredients more widely available or make a recipe that is equivalent but requires other ingredients or perhaps ZOS is happy with the current price point for what they consider endgame buff food.
It may be meant as the sort of thing you use only in the toughest content and not a regular every day buff and if that's the case, the cost makes sense. However, if they are going with that logic, the disparity in price between the 2 gold versions (stam and mag) doesn't add up.
All my drops have come from farming.DreadKnight wrote: »I have 564 farmed MOP in my inventory an I got 3 Broth recipes last week from a small amount of fishing, don't see what the problem is. Go farm it!
you both mention farming the mother of pearl ingredient, how are you farming that ingredient?
Giant clams from a Summerset has them. It’s not a guaranteed drop though.
so is from fishing clams?!?
thank you for informations.
Edit:
is Not from fishing them, looks like is from picking them near shore lines acording to this map ...
Edited by Gilvoth on March 27, 2019 3:35PM3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
ahhh yes, this is good informations ...
i found a video of what you mention as well.
thank you kind sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MwVYWRevAc 0 -
Tatanko✭✭✭✭
Not being a market sim has little to do with making sure the economy is balanced. The fact that you're dismissing this so easily says a lot about your understanding of its importance.I don’t think zeni gives much of a crap about market price - because this isn’t a market merchant sim game.Edited by Tatanko on March 27, 2019 4:02PM6 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I spend an hour+ every Sunday farming Powdered Mother of Pearl. Clams + Fishing + Geysers. I'm doing really good if I get 5 (enough to craft one batch of 4 Takeaway Broth) in an hour.
The drop rate is too low. Clams respawn slowly and it seems like they maybe have a 10-15% chance of dropping the material in the first place. Geysers are hit-or-miss. Fishing used to be a decent way to get it via Pyandonean Bottles but the drop rate on those seems much lower than it used to be ... I'm lucky to get 1 every 2-3 fishing holes lately when it seemed like I used to get 1-2 per fishing hole.
If I do a full loop of Summerset, I hit maybe 20% of the Clams I have marked on my map. The rest are gone already. The grind is real.13 -
Verbal_Earthworm✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »Fishing used to be a decent way to get it via Pyandonean Bottles but the drop rate on those seems much lower than it used to be ... I'm lucky to get 1 every 2-3 fishing holes lately when it seemed like I used to get 1-2 per fishing hole.
I was fishing constantly around Summerset for Pyandonean Bottles before Wrathstone update and after.
I can confirm that I saw a similar nerf to drop rates, so much so that I stopped bothering fishing for bottles.
ZOS is doing ninja nerfs and not telling us (again).
This has led to the latest price hike to MoP.
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »As a crafter, I can say that if you don't like the prices set, then don't buy.
I have farmed three giant clams and got nothing. I have to pay for ingredients.
If you don't want to pay for spell pots, learn alchemy and make your own.
Whiney PvPers that want everything handed to them on a plate...
You make a point but Pearl's are locked away behind an expansion and only found in that one zone. Perfect roe can be farmed by anyone from any zone.
Also spell pots, your solution doesnt solve the problem. Corn flower is easily 65k plus a stack, ladys smock and water hyacinth arent exactly super cheap either. The 3 mats to make weapon pots are about the same or cheaper than corn flower which is utterly sad. I'm glad I mostly play stam now
Not to mention it takes 5 of them to make 4 broths. I know roe is more expensive but seriously, 5?
I hate being cheap and using dubious for my end game trials runs but using 1 sometimes 2 for raid and the plunder isnt covering the costs to make them. They seriously need to rework how many pearls are used. Its ridiculousEdited by SoLooney on March 27, 2019 4:47PM0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No food should be this expensive, it removes this food as an option for the majority of the playerbase, being reserved only for top players with high enough income to sustain it.
The same thing can be said for Spell Power potions right now which have always been horrifically expensive but a single stack of 200 Cornflower is now approaching an average of 80,000 gold on PC EU.
With the impending influx of new and returning players with elsewyr, this is something to be looked at.
this thread is not about this food is to expensive itself..it is to compare as it is not fair how expensive is stamina version food to magice version food, about this is this thread
so or lower craft cost for croth or raise craft boos for filet so this would be fair price for magica or stamina build
The whole Stamina vs Magicka feud really isn't constructive and in my opinion we should look at fixing the problem rather than complaining that people who play magicka get something slightly cheaper than you, its a bit like two children fighting over toys.
I'll also add that health recovery is much more valuable to stamina setups than magicka, given the synergy stamina PvP builds often have with Troll King and HoTs.
It isn't about any feud. The comparison helps create a price baseline.2 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »
ahhh yes, this is good informations ...
i found a video of what you mention as well.
thank you kind sir.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MwVYWRevAc
If you have multiple characters, you can park each one at a different geyser. Once you clear a geyser, log out and into another character and maybe the geyser they are at is active. I find the geyser spawn rate and distance of many geysers from wayshrines precludes a tight circuit of running a single character to them with no downtime, a la Alik'r or Auridon dolmens.
I think each geyser is on its own 10-minute respawn timer, but if you jump from character to character, you can end up doing 2 or 3 geysers every 10 minutes. I did that trying to get Psijic Order motif pages, not powdered mother of pearl.
You could also go fishing or look for clams along shoreline during 10 minute interval, but stay close enough to geyser where you can see it respawn and get back to it before other players close it. Plus, the occasional Psijic Order motif page from geysers can be sold for gold to buy some powdered mother of pearl. If you get a popular page, like chest or legs or staves, that is worth enough gold to buy like 7 to 10 powdered mother of pearl.2 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I wish I was nonchalantly sitting on a 2.9 mil pile of mother of pearl...
I say pics, or it didn't happen.love is love3
