How to become a good PVP player?

Vapirko · March 2019

VioletVience wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

How to become a good PVP player?

Play true competitive games like rainbow6, dota 2, etc. PvP in ESO is not about skill.

It actually is to a large extent. People just don’t like to acknowledge it because it’s hard to be good at. There are cheesy setups for sure, but the cheesiest setup won’t save a bad player.

Fiktius · March 2019

I can't give you build tips since personally I haven't been playing with stam DK in PvP much, but some general tips I can share which helps everyone, no matter which class you play:

1) Get familiar with your class and race:
- Check out passives and get known your abilities. When you know how they work, you can create powerful builds around them.

2) Find balance between sustain, defense and damage. Find comfortable values which are suitable for you:
- Critical resistance is ultra important and there impenetrable trait helps a lot. Make sure you have enough critical resistances and you'll notice great difference in survival. And even when sometimes adding more other traits could sound more tempting, remember this: You can't deal damage if you are dead. So make sure your crit resistance values are enough for your build.
- Also make sure that you have recovery value which you feel comfortable to play with. If you are often running out of resources, you can add more heavy attacks in fight, but if that does not help either, add more recovery in your build.

3) Duel against different kind of classes and builds often:
- There's no shame in losing in duels and remember that you can learn more from your death than you could learn from wiping bad players. If another player manage to beat you in battle, pay attention and learn what killed you and keep that in mind at next round.Often there is a lesson to learn and you can start countering what kills you most.

4) Do different kind of content:
- Playing in Battlegrounds, in Cyrodiil and doing duels can all teach you a lot.
- When you have more experience from different PvP environments, your game awareness gets wider and you learn a lot about tactics, teamplay and solo survival.

And last but not least:

5) Practice:
- Yes, there's no way around it. We all started somewhere and we all had to practice in order to get better.
There's a big learning curve in ESO PvP and we all were beginners once.

IxSTALKERxI · March 2019

Operate a meatbag catapault.

LordTareq · March 2019

The most important imho is tailoring a build so its suitable for PvP. If you play with the mentallity that your character is say a melee warrior who hates magic and build your character according to your fantasy of how your character should be, you will suffer in PVP

Fur_like_snow · March 2019

Get a dueling build usually s/b + 2h. Go to wayrest and duel everyone you can. Record your footage and rewatch it later to see your mistakes.

omarxz11 · March 2019

MJallday wrote: »

few tips ive picked up along the way

1) make sure pvp gear is optimal. i cant advise you on build, but the general rule ive found is "inpen everywhere", "more health the better" and "more sustain the better"
2) duel your friends - that will help you in a 1-2-1 scenario
3) similarly do battlegrounds, they are great for practice rather than cyro
4) pick your target... if you see someone with 25% health, dont begin with your full rotation, jump straight to your execute. conversley, look at your target, if theyve got 50k health, chances are your not gonna bring them down in a hurry.
5) learn your rotation, its actually a lot more critical than pve.
6) you need to be quick - i cant tell you how many times ive died to people doing 6 moves or on me in less than 2 seconds.

hth

6 moves in 2 sec im pretty sure 100% is ping issue not your fault , happen with me alot too

omarxz11 · March 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Tryhard Kyne in full gold gear. The fastest way to boost your KD.

i saw video compare gold vs epic gear and difference is very little and not worth it , only weapon is worth gold , as for me my main issue i keep swaping gears alot so i don't want max weapon that i might end up bad set and waste my money

omarxz11 · March 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

There's no secret to being good at anything, including PvP. It's just practice and experience. One day it all just sets in and you'll find yourself knowing what to do under certain situations and how to read your enemies and their rotations.
I've always played solo, I had to learn pretty quickly how to defend myself, when to go on the offensive, how to manage resources and how to kite.
Playing in a group, as others have suggested, can be easier, but is it really going to make you a better player when you have other people to crutch on? I'm not saying it's a bad thing by any means, and you might even prefer that, but when you don't have to self heal because your warden and templar friends are smashing out buffs and healing you're not really learning how to look after yourself - you're being spoon fed.
As with anything I do in life I like to just jump straight into the flames. The best way to learn is when you have no choice.

kite is not an option for magicka user , in stamina sure you can run long distance and roll alot but in magicka 1 roll cost 60% of your stamina , let alone enemy CC chain you

ezio45 · March 2019

It really comes down to practice and experimentation

First off your not learning anything if your dead 24/7 and need a res. When i was like like 20 in cyrodil with no champion points (about as useless as you get) i joined up with a pvp guild and the players there had offered me alot of guidance. Alot of what I heard was "you cant kill anything when your dead" and " its better to be useful that good"

Your not learning or killing players if your dead, so start off building tanky. Like super tanky. What ever class you are on, build it as tanky as you can. Then when you start learning how to stay alive more swap some gear out to add a little more damage. See how your doing then and when you get comfortable there swap out some gear to add a little more damage. Dont rush it, priority is getting a lvl of survivability that is decent.

Being useful is also better than being good. I got to 160 on my first character with that same guild. Still couldnt kill anything at 160 in blue armor. But literally whenever i logged on who ever was running group in cyro was asking me to join. Ya know why? because everyone else in grp (for the most part) were all dps. Spec with there entire bars for dmg. But i had negates, encase, mines for breech, barrier and healing springs. And without being able to kill anything i was still a damn useful part of the group. Add some utility stuff on your bar that works for your build.

Also a lot of the builds you see online might not work for you. Even someone like alcast who's builds are design for the majority of players to make and have some degree of success with might not work for you. When i got to a decent lvl and started being able to kill players and was starting to run a full dmg set up. I wasnt having much luck with shackle and lich. Which was at the time the bis for msorc. Swapped out lich for alteration mastery and started doing much better. Back when frag still had stun I was having more luck running masters inferno with fire reach for that stun and just used frag for dmg. It just takes alot of experimenting.

Bashev · March 2019

My advice for new PvPers is:

1) If you die too fast, make a tank build that can survive and help you understand what actually is happening. You will not kill any good player but you can "buy" some time to learn about the PvP in this game. Best defensive sets for that are (Reactive, Transmutation and Impregnable).

2) Learn the mechanics of the game. How the damage is calculated, what is additive, what is multiplicative. How the defense is calculated, Enchant's CD, cost reduction, resources regen, etc.

3) Learn the skills. This will take some time but after some practice you will be able to recognize classes/builds only seeing one skill.

Demra · March 2019

It seems like you got enough advices here so all i want to say, base on your first comment, you're getting there. Opening multiple classes to learn and try out different things practicing and asking around shows you have the right mind set and its only a matter of time before you will become a force to reckon with. Good luck!

Wrathmane · March 2019

Situational awareness is key...... you aren't going to be able to take on a zerg of 15 - 20 enemies by yourself....... get the hell out of the way of the zerg train..... look for signs when the zerg is going to push and make sure your not in the path of that push.

NyassaV · March 2019

Don't be afraid to die

Banana · March 2019

If you have a 300+ variable ping like mine. Throw in the towel

InvictusApollo · March 2019

omarxz11 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

few tips ive picked up along the way

1) make sure pvp gear is optimal. i cant advise you on build, but the general rule ive found is "inpen everywhere", "more health the better" and "more sustain the better"
2) duel your friends - that will help you in a 1-2-1 scenario
3) similarly do battlegrounds, they are great for practice rather than cyro
4) pick your target... if you see someone with 25% health, dont begin with your full rotation, jump straight to your execute. conversley, look at your target, if theyve got 50k health, chances are your not gonna bring them down in a hurry.
5) learn your rotation, its actually a lot more critical than pve.
6) you need to be quick - i cant tell you how many times ive died to people doing 6 moves or on me in less than 2 seconds.

hth

6 moves in 2 sec im pretty sure 100% is ping issue not your fault , happen with me alot too

For example this combo:
Ice Comet -> LA -> Elemental Weapon -> LA -> Fire Reach -> -> LA -> Merciless Resolve
makes 6 attacks hit in 2 seconds. One standard LA, one augmented through Elemental Weapon LA, Fire Reach, Merciless Resolve and Ice Comet will all strike during 2 seconds.

It's not about ping. It's about making a high burst combo by using ability timers and weaving.

WoppaBoem · March 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

omarxz11 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

few tips ive picked up along the way

1) make sure pvp gear is optimal. i cant advise you on build, but the general rule ive found is "inpen everywhere", "more health the better" and "more sustain the better"
2) duel your friends - that will help you in a 1-2-1 scenario
3) similarly do battlegrounds, they are great for practice rather than cyro
4) pick your target... if you see someone with 25% health, dont begin with your full rotation, jump straight to your execute. conversley, look at your target, if theyve got 50k health, chances are your not gonna bring them down in a hurry.
5) learn your rotation, its actually a lot more critical than pve.
6) you need to be quick - i cant tell you how many times ive died to people doing 6 moves or on me in less than 2 seconds.

hth

6 moves in 2 sec im pretty sure 100% is ping issue not your fault , happen with me alot too

For example this combo:
Ice Comet -> LA -> Elemental Weapon -> LA -> Fire Reach -> -> LA -> Merciless Resolve
makes 6 attacks hit in 2 seconds. One standard LA, one augmented through Elemental Weapon LA, Fire Reach, Merciless Resolve and Ice Comet will all strike during 2 seconds.

It's not about ping. It's about making a high burst combo by using ability timers and weaving.

lol you try that when skills just won't fire due to lag hwhwhahwahwahwaha. In principle it sounds awesome, practically with lag during prime time, good luck. I like to run build that just wear out the oppenent much less lagg sensitive.

Valldez · March 2019

i assume you DPS, i use bloodpawn, bone pirate, 7th.. all impen.. 5med 2hvy.. all jewel protective.. dw and 2h.. all sharpened maul.. and nirn greatsword.. penet min 8k.. crit resist min 2.3k.. run with guild and discord.. happy flight and spin 2 win..

Jeremy · March 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

It all started with me getting into pvp to get more transmute orbs and XP. I was getting totally trashed but i didnt mind as long as it gave me XP and transmute crystals. After a few months of playing i find myself doing a lot more PVP than PVE, and i am at a point where I want to become a good PVP player. I want to contribute to my team and get a high KD ratio.

My problem is i am totally clueless when it comes to PVP. I main a STAM DK but have recently made chars from all classes , with the idea being to see PVP from the perspective of each one of them. Unless im up against bad players, i lose 8/10 times in a confrontation. I can copy paste a build but apparantly being good at PVP means really KNOWING your abilities and knowing how to use them.

I would love some advice on how i could become a good PVP player, what to focus on and which mistakes to avoid. If you want to give me specific tips regarding a build, lets start with STAM DK.

Regards,
Marius

As others have said, try different builds. My experience in PvP has taught me it's your build that matters more than anything else. If you are using a build that's bad for PvP it doesn't really matter how skilled you are or how much experience you have - you're going to suffer.

I don't play as a DK so I can't really help in that regards. Though I will say I've fought some really impressive Dragon Knights in PvP and in my opinion it is one of (if not the) the most well-rounded and powerful class generally for PvP.

JackDaniell · March 2019

Here are some in depth PvP guides, ranging from beginner to advanced with more to come! Hope these help you out in PvP.

Complete beginner PvP Guide

https://youtu.be/lpJaWqWre88

3 Easy Exercises to Improve your PvP

https://youtu.be/Fsm02JosN2s

Reading Your Opponent

https://youtu.be/f-KvZOC0_RY

Countering Nightblades

https://youtu.be/aiHSGXi8eNo

InvictusApollo · March 2019

JackDaniell wrote: »

Here are some in depth PvP guides, ranging from beginner to advanced with more to come! Hope these help you out in PvP.

Complete beginner PvP Guide
https://youtu.be/lpJaWqWre88

3 Easy Exercises to Improve your PvP
https://youtu.be/Fsm02JosN2s

Reading Your Opponent
https://youtu.be/f-KvZOC0_RY

Countering Nightblades
https://youtu.be/aiHSGXi8eNo

Are you Kristofer? ;>

JackDaniell · March 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Here are some in depth PvP guides, ranging from beginner to advanced with more to come! Hope these help you out in PvP.

Complete beginner PvP Guide
https://youtu.be/lpJaWqWre88

3 Easy Exercises to Improve your PvP
https://youtu.be/Fsm02JosN2s

Reading Your Opponent
https://youtu.be/f-KvZOC0_RY

Countering Nightblades
https://youtu.be/aiHSGXi8eNo

Are you Kristofer? ;>

Maybe...

joseayalac · March 2019

Learn all the classes so that you can react when you see an ability. For example, if I get hit by a NB ultimate I know that my healing received will be reduced, so I react accordingly.

Or when a Sorc curses you, expect burst damage a few seconds later. Stuff like that.

I main a DK and I've killed many ignorant snipe spammers just by using wings.

lucky_Sage · March 2019

Get a mentor even if they sent top tier they can help alot.
The most important thing to learn for PvP is the classes you fight.to know what it looks like yo set up burst or when they start going oom. And then build.muscle memory for your rotation and when to go defensive it's alot of experience to learn. Dueling a friend will help they can tell you what you do wrong and what was good I've done this alot with a few friends

StormeReigns · March 2019

Shocked that no one poofed in to say get WW and spam LA

JackDaniell wrote: »

Here are some in depth PvP guides, ranging from beginner to advanced with more to come! Hope these help you out in PvP.

Complete beginner PvP Guide
https://youtu.be/lpJaWqWre88

3 Easy Exercises to Improve your PvP
https://youtu.be/Fsm02JosN2s

Reading Your Opponent
https://youtu.be/f-KvZOC0_RY

Countering Nightblades
https://youtu.be/aiHSGXi8eNo

Watching your videos helped me move from mediocre mobile target dummy to Slightly above average annoying group nuker on my Sorc, TY!

dazee · March 2019

Do 100 sit ups, 100 push ups, then a 10 kilometer run and 100 squats, every single day, and never use the air conditoner in the summer or heat in the winter, eat 3 meals daily.

DenMoria · March 2019

You know the old saying... Practice, practice, practice...

Oh! And listen to the pro's when they give advice.

Sure they can be jerks sometimes, but, after all, they wouldn't be pro's if they didn't know what they were doing.

One last thing - expect to die.. alot...

Mayrael · March 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Try multiple builds per character and multiple classes. PVP is more about what playstyle suits you than was is the best meta. It took me 4 months in extensive research and trying multiple setups and then it just clicked on a magdk and magwarden and for fun not good results a magnb. And yes I tried many stam builds still have a few however they do not suit me personally.

You really need to put the effort in and keep thinking what defense skills I want? Shields, healing, resist, protection for ranged, group buffs and healing or single target?

Then keep thinking about your damage, AOE, Single Target, Over time or direct, stun and or snair, ranged or melee?

I have come to conclusiosn for skills to use and these are the blue print of every character I make and of course they all bring different flavors but the blue print is the same. This means I always know exactly what I am doing under pressure. And depending on the skills per class I decide what gear would suit best with the specific class I am building.

Good luck, much more fun than chasing the meta.

I love the way you approached my question. Did you try out all the skills yourself, or did you google builds? I like the idea of personally trying out stuff and seeing the results, but i get so cought up in gudies on youtube! Thank you for an insightful anwser

I usually do the same. My routine looks like that. I theory craft my perfect setup (I know what stats I need to reach to be ok with that), then I go play it for some time and watch when and how I die, also what are my strong sides. Then I try to balance those things around by changing sets and skills, to be able to survive and get the kill, to reach the perfect balance between defense, attack and sustain. Don't hurry with testing, some things require more than just few hours of playing to be utilised.

There are also habits you will learn when playing PvP it can be learnt only by experience, like constant check of your surroundings, you will see what locations suits the best your play style, you will be able to predict your enemies moves and use it against them (just like in chess), you will learn all sets and skills effects allowing you to predict your enemies setups, you will learn how PvP players think, how groups works, how ball groups work, when engage and when escape. All these things will synergize with your build.

But most important, accept death. Undefeated players doesn't exist. Things you can see in 1vX vids are 80-90% of a time against inexperienced players, almost every PvP player can recall fights when he was successful when faced vs multiple enemies. We all die, but the really good players are embracing their failures, they try to learn as much as possible from it, they don try to make excuses e.g. when you die to spin2win as a NB, instead of whining, think what could you do other way to survive it, like using shade, fearing your opponent etc. Be always critical, there will be always things you can do better

geonsocal · March 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Im trying to view recap to see how i got killed every times, i will continue to pay attention to that.

that's a really good idea which has helped quite a bit over the years in improving my survivability...

it's also helped me to figure out what attacks to slot on my own characters

geonsocal · March 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

Some general advice: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/427360/joys-2018-advice-for-midyear-mayhem-event

@Mariusghost84 not sure how you prefer to get your info (we are in the age of cool vids), joy's advice is definitely worth the time to read...

geonsocal · March 2019

Wrathmane wrote: »

Situational awareness is key...

once you get your build (gear, mundus, potions, weapon choice, food/drink) in order, and, take time to understand buffs/debuffs, shields, heals, DoTs, HoTs, blocking, roll dodging, line of sight, attack rotation and execute(s) - situational awareness will help get you to that next level...

when to attack, who to attack, when to hide, when to use siege, how to use your environment...all that stuff is the real fun of pvping...

it's funny, I don't like grouping up (zerg surfer extraordinaire

), and, didn't learn too much the first year or so I was out in cyro...started grouping (it was okay) and learned a bunch...

about a year after that joined a small group (3 other players) of competitive pvpers and learned more in a few hours than I had in the previous 2 years