Dunmer passives

NoahJanus · March 2019

Dear develeoper community!

I really like the game, but could you please consider giving the Dunmer a slight buff to their new Passives?
As it is right now many people i know changed their Dunmeri to other races just because their passive skill line is just garbage in comparison. Its neither really good for stamina characters nor is it for magicka users.
So i don't want to be left behind, just because im the sort of player who doesnt like to change races for a char at all. When i create a character i spend a LOT of time doing so. And ofc in my imagination he has his own story and background. I don't open my browser, see some news on the ZOS frontpage and just change my race because of that. Some people might laugh at this, but i'm SURE it's not only me who is playing the game this way.
Therefore i don't even see the point of making a race so much worse than others. As it is right now the class is neither fish or meat, as they would say in my country. It doesnt encourage any viable build that comes into my mind. Please consider giving us some boost to fire damage or some percentage based boost for the endgame, like you did with other races. Or at least increase the flame resistence to make them a more specialized race.

Sorry for potential bad english and thanks for listening!

Noah

Browiseth · March 2019

really?

ok...

You know Dunmer are like...insanely good right now, yeah? just because they aren't the best doesn't mean they need buffed...

I can't help but feel a little bit irrationally offended to be honest, given the sorry state Argonian is in right now hahahaha.

Watchdog · March 2019

I really enjoy playing my Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer and I do not feel any handicap based on racial passives. Quite the contrary, as I consider her one of my strongest characters.

ezio45 · March 2019

dummer came out a head of nearly all the races except or and breton

as far as dps

khajit, woodelf, highelf, redguard (maybe). dummer beats them all.

Tasear · March 2019

They are in a good place right now.

NoahJanus · March 2019

Browiseth wrote: »

really?

ok...

You know Dunmer are like...insanely good right now, yeah? just because they aren't the best doesn't mean they need buffed...

Could you elaborate please? Do you mean pvp or pve?
So from what i've seen any Breton or Altmer magicka user beats Dunmer by quite a lot in pve. Be it because of more sustain, or just stronger passives overall. I don't necessarily want them to be the best, but to have their place. Thats why was asking for an elemental specific buff to give them an niche.

idk · March 2019

Dunmer max stats provide are very good for damage.

BTW, just saying you (or your friends) do not think the Dunmer passives are good compared to other races is not really sufficient to get the attention of Zos. They are looking at constructive and informative feedback of which the OP does not really contain. This is not an attack against the OP. Just pointing out what is missing and it's importance.

Browiseth · March 2019

NoahJanus wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

really?

ok...

You know Dunmer are like...insanely good right now, yeah? just because they aren't the best doesn't mean they need buffed...

Could you elaborate please? Do you mean pvp or pve?
So from what i've seen any Breton or Altmer magicka user beats Dunmer by quite a lot in pve. Be it because of more sustain, or just stronger passives overall. I don't necessarily want them to be the best, but to have their place. Thats why was asking for an elemental specific buff to give them an niche.

- +250 weapon and spell damage (insane)
- 1800 magicka and stamina (insane)
- can never die to lava (bonkers)
- p sure there's another one i'm forgetting
- just remembered, they get health AND flame resist too, what the actual f-
-you want them to get buffed??????
- this is now a buff argonian thread

HappyLittleTree · March 2019

As a dedicated Argonian PVE Player hearing about how Dunmer need to be buffed:

zaria · March 2019

Dunmer is 150 something magic behind Altmer but has probably better passives as in fire resistance.
And you have the benefit that you can respec and play stamina instead if class get nerfed or you are bored.

nsmurfer · March 2019

MikaHR · March 2019

My dunmer stamsorc is soloing vet dungeons.

Drako_Ei · March 2019

Argonian is the wrost race, not dunmer

FearlessOne_2014 · March 2019

My Dummer are competitive with all my other races expect for Orc and Breton. However those two races stand atop of the rest anyways. So I'm just going to say my Dummer Sorc and NB have not noticed much performance decrease. I'd even go so far as to say my Dummers are stronger than my Altmers.

So as said above, could you provide more information supporting your OP as to why Dummer passives suck? I personally believe it's just your build. Once you've changed your build a little. You should also notice little to no change in performance in your Dummers.

PS# The only race change I felt like a must. Was my High Elf Sorc into a Breton Sorc. But that's because that class is lacking so hard in self sustainment. That more sustain is far better for it than just more raw damage. I have yet to change my other 14 character's races yet. Have not felt like I needed to. Honestly the racials feels way more balanced to me now than they did before.

Just my 2 golds.

susmitds · March 2019

Dunmer is 125 resources behind Orc/Altmer both of which are BiS for stam/mag respectively. As 125 resources are virtually undetectable in real combat, Dunmer is technically BiS for both sides. IMO Dunmer is better than Altmer in everything.

TheGreatBlackBear · March 2019

Any race can break 50k on a nighblade specced into stam or mag depending on your race. If you're not hitting the numbers its a L2P issue not a racial one.

Juhasow · March 2019

"race so much worse then others"... I laughed. Dunmer atm is the best choice for people that want to easily switch their characters between magicka and stamina DDs while still having top DPS. It have comparable DPS to high elf on mag and to orc on stam so please get real.

macsmooth · March 2019

The way I see it the dunmer makes a great stamblade with that spell damage and magicka buffing shade and gives a little more cloaks hell even path gets a small boost while giving you a quick speed boost relocation

While altmer makes a decent magblade with the ability to permanently sneak and cloak all the time the restore stamina every 6 seconds you use class ability (every second cloak) sneak for days, better thief than a cat lol (ok I’m pushing that one)

Dunmers are in a good spot Argonians need to be brought up to everyone else and I’m only talking nightblades you can make dunmers fit in the other classes easy enough some better than others

FrancisCrawford · March 2019

Altmers have about 0.2% advantage over Dunmers in no-danger magicka DPS.

In choosing between the two races, that doesn't seem like a strongly deciding factor.

gepe87 · March 2019

Watchdog wrote: »

I really enjoy playing my Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer and I do not feel any handicap based on racial passives. Quite the contrary, as I consider her one of my strongest characters.

Feeling the same way.

joseayalac · March 2019

I actually changed to Dunmer this patch LoL.

People say it's good for PVE DD and I can confirm it's really good as either Mag or Stam PVP race.

This kind of requests get tiring...

Kadoin · March 2019

Proof that some people on the forums won't be satisfied until their spec is grossly overbuffed.

Silver_Strider · March 2019

Dunmer is one of the top races this patch. The difference in DPS between Altmer vs Dunmer is so minute, it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, considering Dunmer also has much better flavor passives that help it a lot more than Altmer's flavor passive (2310 Fire resistance at all times vs 5% damage during channeled abilities only and 1800 stamina baseline vs ~100 stamina regen per second) and Dunmer is just overall better than Altmer. Orc is overtuned AF but Dunmer isn't far behind them either.

You're crazy if you believe Dunmer is in any way underperforming.

Juhasow · March 2019

NoahJanus wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

really?

ok...

You know Dunmer are like...insanely good right now, yeah? just because they aren't the best doesn't mean they need buffed...

Could you elaborate please? Do you mean pvp or pve?
So from what i've seen any Breton or Altmer magicka user beats Dunmer by quite a lot in pve. Be it because of more sustain, or just stronger passives overall. I don't necessarily want them to be the best, but to have their place. Thats why was asking for an elemental specific buff to give them an niche.

Ummm yeah definietly those Altmers are beating Dunmers "by quite a lot in pve" by having 150 more max magicka bonus

Dunmers have their place , they have their niche , it's being the best race for people who want to switch between mag or stam DDs while being on top of the food chain in both cases.

Ratzkifal · March 2019

Altmer have a wooping effective 12 spell damage more than Dunmer. The dps difference is so small that it pretty much always comes down to player error. There just isn't any content in the game that's long enough for these 12 spell damage to matter. Twelve spell damage is nothing.
Bretons have less dps than Dunmer and Altmer in raid situations. They can outperform them solo if Dunmer and Altmer don't use golden food (or the next best purple thing).

No matter if you go, magicka or stamina, Dunmer will be BiS right now. The difference to Ork comes down to what you prefer, fire resist or lower sprint cost plus health.