Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
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starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
"UESP: wrote:The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living.
Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame.
Known as the "vampire's disease", Porphyric Hemophilia will become vampirism after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease affects the victim's stamina, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.
Similar in nature to Porphyric Hemophilia and Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, victims of the less-common Sanguinare Vampiris will become vampires after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease negatively affects the victim's health, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
So ESO Vampires aren't proper vampires?
Just confirms my suspicion.
No wonder their feeding is backwards.
starkerealm wrote: »Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
So ESO Vampires aren't proper vampires?
Just confirms my suspicion.
No wonder their feeding is backwards.
Vampires on Tamriel get more powerful the longer it's been since they fed. That's true of "normal" vampires, as well as the special cases.
Player vampires in ESO are a specific offshoot of the Lamae bloodline, called Scions. It's not completely clear if all of Lamae's bloodline have to undergo the ritual, or if that's a more exclusive club.
So, no, you're playing a "proper vampire." It's just, Vampires on Tamriel are a it different.
starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be."UESP: wrote:The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living.Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame.
Excerpts from the UESP's disease pages:Known as the "vampire's disease", Porphyric Hemophilia will become vampirism after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease affects the victim's stamina, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.Similar in nature to Porphyric Hemophilia and Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, victims of the less-common Sanguinare Vampiris will become vampires after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease negatively affects the victim's health, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.
The way vampirism works on Tamriel is that from being bitten or scratched by a vampire you can become infected by a disease. On its own, this is not particularly dangerous, and the symptoms are fairly mild. However, after 72 hours, those diseases catalyze a dramatic transformation in the host, killing them, and applying a daedric curse which causes them to rise as a vampire. During the incubation period, the disease can be cured by any normal means. However, after the incubation has completed, the victim is reborn as a vampire.
In other words, Vampires are undead. This becomes painfully explicit in some of the single player games, where spells specifically designed to interact with and affect Vampires work on vampires.
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I stand corrected. from the way transformation was presented in ESO - it didn't seem like your character actualy dies, but rather gets a major blood transfusion from Lamae herself, to complete the transformation into a scion.
however, that still doesn't explain makeup because there is nothing to prevent it from staying on as long as you don't continue decomposing.
in fact. as a real life makeup wearer, I can tell you right now, that having oily skin is WORSE for having makeup stay on as oils essentially melt the makeup (I was still before coffee when making my original comment and thinking of application of makeup rather then lasting wear - it does help to mix in certain oils into makeup in order to have it go on smoother on dry skin) . its why there are various setting powders and oil absorbent cloths - to soak up the oil produced during the day. its why sweat proof makeup is something companies keep on trying to design.
if anything - makeup should wear BETTER on a vampire than living being.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.
starkerealm wrote: »I stand corrected. from the way transformation was presented in ESO - it didn't seem like your character actualy dies, but rather gets a major blood transfusion from Lamae herself, to complete the transformation into a scion.
If you watch your health, you can actually see it zero out during the transfusion.however, that still doesn't explain makeup because there is nothing to prevent it from staying on as long as you don't continue decomposing.
in fact. as a real life makeup wearer, I can tell you right now, that having oily skin is WORSE for having makeup stay on as oils essentially melt the makeup (I was still before coffee when making my original comment and thinking of application of makeup rather then lasting wear - it does help to mix in certain oils into makeup in order to have it go on smoother on dry skin) . its why there are various setting powders and oil absorbent cloths - to soak up the oil produced during the day. its why sweat proof makeup is something companies keep on trying to design.
if anything - makeup should wear BETTER on a vampire than living being.
If you want me to dig into this, I'm going to need to look up corpse preparation procedures. I remember there's an issue with using cosmetics on corpses, where it doesn't behave properly, but I can't do that from memory.
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starkerealm wrote: »Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?
Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.
It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.
So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.
Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?
Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.
Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?
Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.
It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.
So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.
Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?
Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.
Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.
Once, again a pointless and condescending post from you.
You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.
I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on eso vampire lore and opinion, I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?
You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.
You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?
Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.
It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.
So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.
Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?
Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.
Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.
Once, again a pointless and condescending post from you.
You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.
I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on eso vampire lore and opinion, I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?
You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.
You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.
Screw your fictional vampires. This is ESO.
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seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....
would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.
does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.
seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....
would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.
does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.
starkerealm wrote: »Wildberryjack wrote: »ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...
Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMyzwMCGl-kVerbal_Earthworm wrote: »seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....
would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.
does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.
Don't bring Twilight into this, bad show...
I was debating that ESO vampire feeding is in reverse to traditional/fictional vampire feeding.
If that is below you then why bother commenting to stop others debating it?
What is it about forum stars that makes the poster more conceited about their opinion?
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Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....
would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.
does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.
Don't bring Twilight into this, bad show...
I was debating that ESO vampire feeding is in reverse to traditional/fictional vampire feeding.
If that is below you then why bother commenting to stop others debating it?
What is it about forum stars that makes the poster more conceited about their opinion?
no debating feeding is not below me. the insistence that proper vampires MUST be like dracula that keeps being brought up over. and over. and OVER. in every vampire related thread? THAT i'm very tired about. there is NOTHING particularly traditional about Dracula feeding. its just one fictional style of vampires that's for some odd reason became a default.
and honestly ESO is full of magic. the whole vampirism is magical. so... explain to me please.. why is it such a point of contention to have makeup or face-paint actualy... work? honestly this is what annoys me the most about discourse about the ESO vampires. because every-time people start bringing up what vampires should be in their opinion, its almost always with a goal of restricting vampire players in ESO from being able to customize their appearance. to PUNISH them for choosing to use these passives.
Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?
Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.
It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.
So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.
Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?
Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.
Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.
Once again, a pointless and condescending post from you.
You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.
I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on ESO vampire lore and opinion (which I know quite well thanks), I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?
You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.
You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.
FleetwoodSmack wrote: »Either way though, this isn't to start an argument but merely to give a little more insight as of what people may or may not know.