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So, all the new cosmetics go on top of vamp skin but the white pantomime face paint doesn't? Really Zos?? WTH!
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    I noticed that on my vamp as well.. Can see the neck line. But maybe it is intended because mime make up does look like that.
    Edited by Neoealth on March 24, 2019 1:44PM
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    That's why it's called obnoxious...
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    I think it applies on top of my vampire's skin; the face gets clearly whiter and eyes darker. She's an argonian though, not sure if that would matter
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  • Wildberryjack
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    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.
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    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.
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    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
    Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2019 3:55PM
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  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.

    So ESO Vampires aren't proper vampires?

    Just confirms my suspicion.

    No wonder their feeding is backwards.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
    "UESP: wrote:
    The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living.
    Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame.

    Excerpts from the UESP's disease pages:
    Known as the "vampire's disease", Porphyric Hemophilia will become vampirism after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease affects the victim's stamina, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.
    Similar in nature to Porphyric Hemophilia and Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, victims of the less-common Sanguinare Vampiris will become vampires after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease negatively affects the victim's health, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.

    The way vampirism works on Tamriel is that from being bitten or scratched by a vampire you can become infected by a disease. On its own, this is not particularly dangerous, and the symptoms are fairly mild. However, after 72 hours, those diseases catalyze a dramatic transformation in the host, killing them, and applying a daedric curse which causes them to rise as a vampire. During the incubation period, the disease can be cured by any normal means. However, after the incubation has completed, the victim is reborn as a vampire.

    In other words, Vampires are undead. This becomes painfully explicit in some of the single player games, where spells specifically designed to interact with and affect Vampires work on vampires.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.

    So ESO Vampires aren't proper vampires?

    Just confirms my suspicion.

    No wonder their feeding is backwards.

    Vampires on Tamriel get more powerful the longer it's been since they fed. That's true of "normal" vampires, as well as the special cases.

    Player vampires in ESO are a specific offshoot of the Lamae bloodline, called Scions. It's not completely clear if all of Lamae's bloodline have to undergo the ritual, or if that's a more exclusive club.

    So, no, you're playing a "proper vampire." It's just, Vampires on Tamriel are a it different.
    Edited by starkerealm on March 24, 2019 5:01PM
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  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.

    So ESO Vampires aren't proper vampires?

    Just confirms my suspicion.

    No wonder their feeding is backwards.

    Vampires on Tamriel get more powerful the longer it's been since they fed. That's true of "normal" vampires, as well as the special cases.

    Player vampires in ESO are a specific offshoot of the Lamae bloodline, called Scions. It's not completely clear if all of Lamae's bloodline have to undergo the ritual, or if that's a more exclusive club.

    So, no, you're playing a "proper vampire." It's just, Vampires on Tamriel are a it different.

    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.




    Edited by Verbal_Earthworm on March 24, 2019 6:18PM
  • Linaleah
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    ESO vampires are NOT dead. ESO vampires are simply carriers of a virus. which you can be cured of by a simple cleric of Arkay. moreover. oils you use with skin ARE a thing, I mean could even use cooking oil if need be.
    "UESP: wrote:
    The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living.
    Violated and comatose, Lamae was found by nomads, and cared for. A fortnight hence, the nomad wyrd-woman enshrouded Lamae in pall for she had passed into death. In their way, the nomads built a bonfire to immolate the husk. That night, Lamae rose from her funeral pyre, and set upon the coven, still aflame.

    Excerpts from the UESP's disease pages:
    Known as the "vampire's disease", Porphyric Hemophilia will become vampirism after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease affects the victim's stamina, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.
    Similar in nature to Porphyric Hemophilia and Noxiphilic Sanguivoria, victims of the less-common Sanguinare Vampiris will become vampires after a three day incubation period. By itself, the disease negatively affects the victim's health, but on the third night of infection the victim will die and become undead.

    The way vampirism works on Tamriel is that from being bitten or scratched by a vampire you can become infected by a disease. On its own, this is not particularly dangerous, and the symptoms are fairly mild. However, after 72 hours, those diseases catalyze a dramatic transformation in the host, killing them, and applying a daedric curse which causes them to rise as a vampire. During the incubation period, the disease can be cured by any normal means. However, after the incubation has completed, the victim is reborn as a vampire.

    In other words, Vampires are undead. This becomes painfully explicit in some of the single player games, where spells specifically designed to interact with and affect Vampires work on vampires.

    I stand corrected. from the way transformation was presented in ESO - it didn't seem like your character actualy dies, but rather gets a major blood transfusion from Lamae herself, to complete the transformation into a scion.

    however, that still doesn't explain makeup because there is nothing to prevent it from staying on as long as you don't continue decomposing.

    in fact. as a real life makeup wearer, I can tell you right now, that having oily skin is WORSE for having makeup stay on as oils essentially melt the makeup (I was still before coffee when making my original comment and thinking of application of makeup rather then lasting wear - it does help to mix in certain oils into makeup in order to have it go on smoother on dry skin) . its why there are various setting powders and oil absorbent cloths - to soak up the oil produced during the day. its why sweat proof makeup is something companies keep on trying to design.

    if anything - makeup should wear BETTER on a vampire than living being.
    Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2019 7:11PM
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  • starkerealm
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    I stand corrected. from the way transformation was presented in ESO - it didn't seem like your character actualy dies, but rather gets a major blood transfusion from Lamae herself, to complete the transformation into a scion.

    If you watch your health, you can actually see it zero out during the transfusion.
    Linaleah wrote: »
    however, that still doesn't explain makeup because there is nothing to prevent it from staying on as long as you don't continue decomposing.

    in fact. as a real life makeup wearer, I can tell you right now, that having oily skin is WORSE for having makeup stay on as oils essentially melt the makeup (I was still before coffee when making my original comment and thinking of application of makeup rather then lasting wear - it does help to mix in certain oils into makeup in order to have it go on smoother on dry skin) . its why there are various setting powders and oil absorbent cloths - to soak up the oil produced during the day. its why sweat proof makeup is something companies keep on trying to design.

    if anything - makeup should wear BETTER on a vampire than living being.

    If you want me to dig into this, I'm going to need to look up corpse preparation procedures. I remember there's an issue with using cosmetics on corpses, where it doesn't behave properly, but I can't do that from memory.
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    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.
    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.
    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.
    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"
    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.
    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.

    Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.
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    What about that elf in the DC quests? He had his look under control.
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • Linaleah
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    I stand corrected. from the way transformation was presented in ESO - it didn't seem like your character actualy dies, but rather gets a major blood transfusion from Lamae herself, to complete the transformation into a scion.

    If you watch your health, you can actually see it zero out during the transfusion.
    Linaleah wrote: »
    however, that still doesn't explain makeup because there is nothing to prevent it from staying on as long as you don't continue decomposing.

    in fact. as a real life makeup wearer, I can tell you right now, that having oily skin is WORSE for having makeup stay on as oils essentially melt the makeup (I was still before coffee when making my original comment and thinking of application of makeup rather then lasting wear - it does help to mix in certain oils into makeup in order to have it go on smoother on dry skin) . its why there are various setting powders and oil absorbent cloths - to soak up the oil produced during the day. its why sweat proof makeup is something companies keep on trying to design.

    if anything - makeup should wear BETTER on a vampire than living being.

    If you want me to dig into this, I'm going to need to look up corpse preparation procedures. I remember there's an issue with using cosmetics on corpses, where it doesn't behave properly, but I can't do that from memory.

    I looked it up, and literally all you do is use heavy moisturizing cream before hand.

    that said. i am . so. tired. of people. dragging. out. Dracula. as what. vampires. should be like. because vampires existed before Dracula. in various cultures. they absolutely, positively do NOT have to be anything like Dracula.
    Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2019 8:14PM
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    Vampires should look like crap and have limited options for cosmetic enhancements to balance out the powerful, permanent passives.

    If you want 'proper vampires', aka Dracula, then your 'proper vampire' should explode in flame and be destroyed by sunlight.

    Edited by therift on March 24, 2019 8:33PM
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    Nice thread!

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  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.
    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.
    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.
    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"
    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.
    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.

    Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.

    Once again, a pointless and condescending post from you.

    You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.

    I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on ESO vampire lore and opinion (which I know quite well thanks), I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?

    You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.

    You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.



    Edited by Verbal_Earthworm on March 24, 2019 8:42PM
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    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.
    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.
    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.
    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"
    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.
    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.

    Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.

    Once, again a pointless and condescending post from you.

    You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.

    I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on eso vampire lore and opinion, I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?

    You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.

    You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.



    Screw your fictional vampires. This is ESO.
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    therift wrote: »

    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.
    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.
    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.
    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"
    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.
    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.

    Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.

    Once, again a pointless and condescending post from you.

    You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.

    I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on eso vampire lore and opinion, I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?

    You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.

    You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.



    Screw your fictional vampires. This is ESO.

    No, this is a forum.


    Edited by Verbal_Earthworm on March 24, 2019 8:49PM
  • Linaleah
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    seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....

    would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.

    does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • therift
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....

    would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.

    does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.

    AGREE
  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....

    would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.

    does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.

    Don't bring Twilight into this, bad show...

    I was debating that ESO vampire feeding is in reverse to traditional/fictional vampire feeding.

    If that is below you then why bother commenting to stop others debating it?

    What is it about forum stars that makes the poster more conceited about their opinion?

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    ALL paints should apply on TOP of the Vampire skin. If a Vampire paints their face why would the paint fade? It makes NO sense. Putting paint or makeup on a Vampire is no different than putting clothes on, it's all going over the skin not into it.

    Possibly, because the vampire is dead, their skin produces no oils, meaning that normal cosmetics slough off at an accelerated rate...

    Though, I'll admit, I'm not going to put much thought into this.

    Just going to clear up some misconceptions (resident death industry worker here).

    So, in regards to the dead, we generally use all sorts of types of makeup during the beautification process, however you're correct that dead skin doesn't really take to some types of makeup very well. However that's some types. Most standard morticians tend to use a combination of makeup for the living along with products specifically designed for the dead. So it doesn't really slough off at an accelerated rate. Though the standard procedure is something like this. It's a general breakdown, but not a full on process; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMyzwMCGl-k

    It's the same with tattoos, actually. If you got a tattoo fresh and you died after it's properly healed? It doesn't actually fade. It just decomposes as the dead skin cells are broken down further by bacteria. There are mummies thousands of years old that still have their tattoos that are very well preserved. Famous corpses like Ötzi the Iceman, or The Princess of Ukok. Both have fantastically preserved tattoos that have lasted thousands of years. While you see some have parts of the tattoo 'faded', it was actually due to either how they originally got the tattoo (they weren't very sophisticated with keeping tattoos back in the day), or how the corpse was found and handled (some of these corpses are super brittle and tend to fall apart, so to say that they're fragile is an understatement). There are other causes for this as well, but I'm basically condensing things to a very watered down, forum digestible post.

    Either way though, this isn't to start an argument but merely to give a little more insight as of what people may or may not know.
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  • Linaleah
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....

    would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.

    does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.

    Don't bring Twilight into this, bad show...

    I was debating that ESO vampire feeding is in reverse to traditional/fictional vampire feeding.

    If that is below you then why bother commenting to stop others debating it?

    What is it about forum stars that makes the poster more conceited about their opinion?

    no debating feeding is not below me. the insistence that proper vampires MUST be like dracula that keeps being brought up over. and over. and OVER. in every vampire related thread? THAT i'm very tired about. there is NOTHING particularly traditional about Dracula feeding. its just one fictional style of vampires that's for some odd reason became a default.

    and honestly ESO is full of magic. the whole vampirism is magical. so... explain to me please.. why is it such a point of contention to have makeup or face-paint actualy... work? honestly this is what annoys me the most about discourse about the ESO vampires. because every-time people start bringing up what vampires should be in their opinion, its almost always with a goal of restricting vampire players in ESO from being able to customize their appearance. to PUNISH them for choosing to use these passives.
    Edited by Linaleah on March 24, 2019 10:04PM
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Verbal_Earthworm
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    seriously. for the love of god. ENOUGH WITH DRACULA AND LESTAT. its like... vampires haven't existed in folk tales before that....

    would you like it if people came in here and went - the only proper vampires are twilight vampires, everything else is fake. because THAT is what you all sound like.

    does the creature drink blood to survive? if the answer is yes - VAMPIRE. everything else is negotiable.

    Don't bring Twilight into this, bad show...

    I was debating that ESO vampire feeding is in reverse to traditional/fictional vampire feeding.

    If that is below you then why bother commenting to stop others debating it?

    What is it about forum stars that makes the poster more conceited about their opinion?

    no debating feeding is not below me. the insistence that proper vampires MUST be like dracula that keeps being brought up over. and over. and OVER. in every vampire related thread? THAT i'm very tired about. there is NOTHING particularly traditional about Dracula feeding. its just one fictional style of vampires that's for some odd reason became a default.

    and honestly ESO is full of magic. the whole vampirism is magical. so... explain to me please.. why is it such a point of contention to have makeup or face-paint actualy... work? honestly this is what annoys me the most about discourse about the ESO vampires. because every-time people start bringing up what vampires should be in their opinion, its almost always with a goal of restricting vampire players in ESO from being able to customize their appearance. to PUNISH them for choosing to use these passives.

    You should use italics when you want to emphasise something otherwise you come across as a shouter.

    I never insisted any of what you insinuate, that is obviously your own agenda at play.

    I mentioned Dracula et al. because they have a way of feeding that is opposite to the ESO vampires.

    That does not mean that I want ESO vampires to be like Dracula, nor does it mean that I want to tell others how to play a vampire; I just want the feeding to make sense.


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    If you get stronger the less you feed, and feeding makes you weaker, why bother feeding?

    Some don't. One major thing that ESO doesn't reflect, is that well fed Vampires can blend into mortal society, and pass for living beings. While ones that have intentionally starved themselves are much stronger.
    It's not how Dracula et al. function at all.

    It's been a minute since I read the novel, but as I recall, the major thing about Dracula feeding was it allowed him to look less monstrous. Which is something we see in The Elder Scrolls, though our vampires never look as messed up as when Johnathan Harker first meets Dracula.
    That is what I meant by "proper vampire" and as you missed that your post is pointless and condescending.

    So, they don't meet your version of vampires. Which is consistent with neither Stoker's novel, nor Tamriel's Vampires. Cool.
    Anyway, I call Fake-Vampires.

    Cool. I call them, "Steve," and "hey you!" They seem to respond better to, "hey, you!"
    Is it really worth looking like crap for a couple of passives?

    Depends, but, yeah, sometimes. Some of those passives are amazing. Also the actives can be very useful, and seal up holes in your build.
    Fake-Vampires don't deserve makeup.

    Fortunately, we don't have any Fake-Vampires, we just have Steve.

    Once again, a pointless and condescending post from you.

    You have chosen to forget the novel and instead rely on your imperfect memory and your ability to skew the facts.

    I introduce the idea of the fictional vampire, not just Dracula which ESO vampires can't help but be compared to and ultimately fail, the first time you didn't even comprehend what I meant and launched into a diatribe on ESO vampire lore and opinion (which I know quite well thanks), I call you out on that then you invent the notion that I have my own version of vampires?

    You could have just admitted ignorance instead of entrenching yourself.

    You might want to do some research on fictional vampires, specifically Dracula, Lestat and Vampire the Masquerade.

    Right... so, let's talk about that for a second.

    In Vampire: The Masquerade, vampires don't get stronger from feeding. They need to burn a blood point each night when they wake. If they have no blood points, they slip into torpor, which is incidentally also what happens when you stake a Kindred in V:TM.

    This doesn't actually kill them. Depending on their humanity score, vampires recover from Torpor after fixed amounts of time have passed.

    Feeding restores blood points, so vampires are forced to feed, or they'll slip into torpor. Now, vampires who are close to starving will be at serious risk of losing control to the beast. That's a different problem. And in that sense, you could almost say that they get weaker when well fed, if only because they're frenzy checks will be way easier to pass.

    The only way a Kindred can become stronger through feeding is lowering their generation via Diablarie. If the dice like you enough, this may let you buy a point of Generation. However, this requires draining a lower generation vampire. Though, at the same time, in the fluff, Diablarie also runs a serious risk of possession by the elder vampire. (Though, the only examples of this provided are with the vampires who dialbarized the antideluvians.)

    What's genuinely funny to me about this is that, since most disciplines cost blood to activate (some, like Fortitude are passive), vampires actually deplete their blood pool using their powers. Which also happens in ESO, where using active abilities deducts 30 minutes from the current stage timer.

    Of course, none of this matters, because the Vampires of White Wolf's World of Darkness, much like Anne Rice's and Bram Stoker's vampires, live in an approximation of the contemporary world. All three are part of a genre known as Urban Fantasy.

    ESO is not.

    Vampires in The Elder Scrolls are undead, daedric abominations, who must feed if they want to suppress their inhuman nature. If they don't feed, they become more monstrous. Those are the rules. If you don't like them, tough.

    You may have missed this somewhere, but vampires aren't real. That's the same reason why none of the examples you provided follow the same rules for Vampirism. They're all the result of different creatives taking a mess of distinct myths and meshing them together into an amalgam of a creature.

    You can't have "Fake-Vampires," because there's no such thing as a "real vampire."
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    Either way though, this isn't to start an argument but merely to give a little more insight as of what people may or may not know.

    No, @FleetwoodSmack, that was genuinely interesting, and saved me from having to do a dive for stuff on this subject. Thanks.
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