eso feels better on my 11 years old pc

zo6zo6 · March 2019

i am not talking about performance here, cause obviously performance is better on my newer pc. i am talking about gameplay. From running around with my mount to performing my rotation, everything feels faster, smoother and more responsive on my older pc. click registration is the most obvious difference. when clicking and pressing on my old pc, registration is much faster resulting in a smoother rotation and better dps. the newer pc feels like there is a deley and no matter how fast i press the keys, the rotation is always happening in the same way (i am not sure if you can understand me here, English is not my native language and i am trying my best), and of cource sometimes i get missed clicks that will never register if i try to fast. thats only happening on my newer pc and not on my older one. Thats very wierd considering the newer pc has better hardware and can achieve better fps and i am trying to find a solution to this problem but i cant. both computers are running identical settings with minor differences, both are connected with a wired connection to my router and both has pretty much the same addons with the older pc having a few less. Anyone experienced a similar problem, i'll be happy to hear a solution

ghastley · March 2019

It may just be that the older one has a better keyboard. They have been getting worse over the years as they're considered less important as a component of the system. That statement that the "newer pc has better hardware" may have an exception.

Unless it's a PS2 plug versus USB issue, you could simply try the old keyboard on the new computer.

Nestor · March 2019

You may also have a lot of shovelware or antivirus software on the new machine. It's the main reason I still build my own, I control what gets installed.

zo6zo6 · March 2019

just to clarify my newer pc is not that new (its 5 years old) but i havent played eso on the older one and i didnt have a point of comparison. the older pc has a crappy wireless mouse and keyboard combo when the newer one has a gaming mouse (gigabyte m7) and a kinda gaming keyboard (nod metal stealth rgb). i will try the wireless one to make sure. i dont run antivirus and other crappy software. i just run what i need

randomkeyhits · March 2019

Is the old one still Win 7 and the newer one a win 7 or 8 -> 10 upgrade?

zo6zo6 · March 2019

both computers are running windows 10. specs are below
OLD PC
intel quad core q6600 oc 2.71ghz
3gb ddr2 ram
Drevo x1 ssd (eso runs from the ssd)
asrock g31 motherboard
GTX 650
wireless keyboard and mouse combo
windows 10 home x64
lg 42" 1080p smart tv
NEWER PC
Intel core i5 4460
16gb ddr3 ram
samsung 850 pro (eso runs from wd caviar black)
z97x motherboard
GTX 960
mouse and keyboard (already said about that)
windows 10 pro x64
LG 768p 60hz monitor

Ragnarock41 · March 2019

Nestor wrote: »

You may also have a lot of shovelware or antivirus software on the new machine. It's the main reason I still build my own, I control what gets installed.

Its always the best to build your own.

Kagukan · March 2019

I had the exact opposite experience. What I thought was a good game on my old PC became a great game on my new PC. I can easily maintain 60 FPS with mostly max graphics in most situations. The main exception is Cyrodiil where FPS always drops in large battles.

randomkeyhits · March 2019

Based on the above the newer machine should indeed perform way better. everything is in its favour.

You've even got a bigger GPU driving a smaller screen by pixel count.

Would definitely recommend running both without any add ons to establish a baseline then re-introduce each add on one at a time to see if a specific one causes the newer machine problems.

Apart from that the only thing that really springs to mind is some sort of infection. I'd recommend burning a copy of the bit defender livecd or something similar and booting to that then doing a sweep of your HD, just in case.

TequilaFire · March 2019

Your older machine is running a SSD, you might want to try one in your newer machine.

Nestor · March 2019

Yep, SSD has a huge impact on gaming response.

zo6zo6 · March 2019

i will probably try later today move my newer pc to the smart tv and play with the wireless combo and my next step will be to move eso on my samsung 850 pro

Nestor · March 2019

Wireless keyboard and mouse should be slower and less responsive than wired. Unless your wired setup is just crap

zo6zo6 · March 2019

thats what i tought too, but i will try to eliminate every possibility

mateoz · March 2019

I know the answer but it might sound weird:
Your old computer is one of its kind, the intel quad core q6600 had a special feature that could run a single thread 'querry' from the system on multiple core meaning you could use 100% of all cores SINGLE THREADED.
Intel removed this feature on all newer CPU it was probably too powerful.
Your new I5 run single thread 'querry' on only 1 core.

Please do not tell me this is impossible, I have seen and work with q6600 handling directdraw call (single threaded) on all 4 core at the same time using 100% of the CPU. When the same task was tried on any other CPU it was stuck at 25%/100 on any newer quad core CPUs.

Mudcrabber · March 2019

You might eliminate some lag by opening your usersettings.txt and reducing "GPUSmoothingFrames" to "1" or "2".

I think the default is 10 frames, which means 10 frames of constant lag on fast hardware, in order to smooth over hiccups/spikes.

Bladerunner1 · March 2019

I had an old I5 that felt like a clunky mess, but it was several years old. After firing up a new PC a few months ago everything seemed to run like garbage and I was very frustrated.

The threadripper hardly seems bothered by anything, but the game refused to function well until after I remembered which add-ons needed to be disabled or removed.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Your older machine is running a SSD, you might want to try one in your newer machine.

I am guessing that is it as well. I have been building gaming computers for almost 20 years. The biggest performance increase I have ever seen from a single piece of hardware was my first SSD. Probably the second biggest was going from DDR2 to DDR3 (didnt notice as much going from 3 to 4). I always run high end cards, and even jumping a generation or 2 at a time, I never noticed as much of an increase as the first two.

Although recently (like yesterday) I got my first freesync monitor. That might give the others a run for their money in terms of performance increase to due to a single component.

SirAndy · March 2019

ghastley wrote: »

It may just be that the older one has a better keyboard. They have been getting worse over the years as they're considered less important as a component of the system. That statement that the "newer pc has better hardware" may have an exception.
Unless it's a PS2 plug versus USB issue, you could simply try the old keyboard on the new computer.

Keyboard and/or mouse could be the issue, especially wired vs. wireless.

I also recently had a (gaming) mouse go bad but in a way that it would just randomly drop packets resulting in sometimes stuttering or keys/clicks not registering. Took me a while to figure out the mouse was actually going bad.

NocturnalSonata · March 2019

- if new machine is better then logically it will run games smoother. If this is not the case then logically there is something either internally incorrect, software based, or the hardware is not performing correctly. I would suggest that it might be simpler just to reformat your machine, it only takes a few hours to get it back running again.

It can be almost impossible to problem solve something unless you have either built the machine from the ground up running new hardware and fresh installations. There are just too many variables at work. so re-formating a machine that is a few years old, generally resolves most software issues.

However, have you considered that your issue is your network card? as if it is not the keyboard/mouse where the latency lies, then chances are your issue is networking. Also might be worthwhile plugging your machine into a different monitor to test.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2019

Our systems are quite similar. In fact a few months ago they were the same, before I upgraded to a 1060.

SSD is definitely a must though.

Tandor · March 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You may also have a lot of shovelware or antivirus software on the new machine. It's the main reason I still build my own, I control what gets installed.

Its always the best to build your own.

Always assuming you are technically qualified to do so.

My local computer repair shop would soon be out of business if it wasn't for self-builders and over-clockers.

Tandor · March 2019

How do the drivers compare?

People often mistakenly assume that the newest hardware with the newest drivers will run more optimally than the hardware and drivers that actually formed the basis of the machines on which the game was developed and initially tested. If a machine is performing worse than you would expect, try rolling back the drivers.

There can also be a difference in the efficiency of the OS as between Home and Pro editions, especially in respect of Windows 10 as with the Home edition you have no control over the updates that are installed as compared with the Pro edition when you can be more selective - do they both have the same updating history? Are they both running the same version of Windows 10 - that's a massive potential cause if not.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You may also have a lot of shovelware or antivirus software on the new machine. It's the main reason I still build my own, I control what gets installed.

Its always the best to build your own.

Always assuming you are technically qualified to do so.

My local computer repair shop would soon be out of business if it wasn't for self-builders and over-clockers.

I'm lucky. My best mate helps me with my rig. I'm pretty useless myself.

That dude is a legend.

Oakmontowls_ESO · March 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

You may also have a lot of shovelware or antivirus software on the new machine. It's the main reason I still build my own, I control what gets installed.

Its always the best to build your own.

Always assuming you are technically qualified to do so.

My local computer repair shop would soon be out of business if it wasn't for self-builders and over-clockers.

While I haven't tried overclocking, pc building is pretty easy. Assuming no defective parts it's pretty hard to mess something up if you follow the instructions.

zo6zo6 · March 2019

i am not sure how q6600 is better than my 4460. my problem is not in performance but in gameplay smoothness. even though q6600 can barely hit 60fps it feels better. i have already set gpuframes to 0 from 10 on both computers (i was following the performance mega thread here) and that didn't fix the issue. i will try to test your suggestions one by one. i am currently testing my newer pc with wireless keyboard mouse and atteched to my 42" smart tv

danno8 · March 2019

Mudcrabber wrote: »

You might eliminate some lag by opening your usersettings.txt and reducing "GPUSmoothingFrames" to "1" or "2".

I think the default is 10 frames, which means 10 frames of constant lag on fast hardware, in order to smooth over hiccups/spikes.

That setting is an odd one.I can say for sure it does not do what one may think it does, that is to say it definitely does not insert 10 "copy" frames in between each rendered frame (like the "soap opera effect" on TV's), or even 10 copied frames inserted evenly throughout a full second.

I think it is more of a scale of 1 to 10, in how much you you want.

Either way when I change that to "0" or "1" I get a horrible choppy FPS that looks absolutely awful and is nearly unplayable.

zo6zo6 · March 2019

Tandor wrote: »

How do the drivers compare?

People often mistakenly assume that the newest hardware with the newest drivers will run more optimally than the hardware and drivers that actually formed the basis of the machines on which the game was developed and initially tested. If a machine is performing worse than you would expect, try rolling back the drivers.

There can also be a difference in the efficiency of the OS as between Home and Pro editions, especially in respect of Windows 10 as with the Home edition you have no control over the updates that are installed as compared with the Pro edition when you can be more selective - do they both have the same updating history? Are they both running the same version of Windows 10 - that's a massive potential cause if not.

drivers might be an issue. both pcs have an nvidia card but the drivers on my older oc are definitely older. and the os is olso different older pc runs win 10 home and newer pc win 10 pro both 64bit

zo6zo6 · March 2019

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Our systems are quite similar. In fact a few months ago they were the same, before I upgraded to a 1060.

SSD is definitely a must though.

i am running an ssd on both pcs
my old pc has a Drevo x1 ssd and my newer pc a samsung 850 pro ssd. the difference is that eso is running from the ssd on the older pc

zo6zo6 · March 2019

NocturnalSonata wrote: »

- if new machine is better then logically it will run games smoother. If this is not the case then logically there is something either internally incorrect, software based, or the hardware is not performing correctly. I would suggest that it might be simpler just to reformat your machine, it only takes a few hours to get it back running again.

It can be almost impossible to problem solve something unless you have either built the machine from the ground up running new hardware and fresh installations. There are just too many variables at work. so re-formating a machine that is a few years old, generally resolves most software issues.

However, have you considered that your issue is your network card? as if it is not the keyboard/mouse where the latency lies, then chances are your issue is networking. Also might be worthwhile plugging your machine into a different monitor to test.

i havent reformated my newer pc for at least 2 years and reformatting will be my last option to try. my network card is an external one on the newer pc (i lost the onboard years ago from thunder) and the onboard on the older pc. they are both manufactured by realtek. both pcs are running eso with 130ms latency

Tandor · March 2019

zo6zo6 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

How do the drivers compare?

People often mistakenly assume that the newest hardware with the newest drivers will run more optimally than the hardware and drivers that actually formed the basis of the machines on which the game was developed and initially tested. If a machine is performing worse than you would expect, try rolling back the drivers.

There can also be a difference in the efficiency of the OS as between Home and Pro editions, especially in respect of Windows 10 as with the Home edition you have no control over the updates that are installed as compared with the Pro edition when you can be more selective - do they both have the same updating history? Are they both running the same version of Windows 10 - that's a massive potential cause if not.

drivers might be an issue. both pcs have an nvidia card but the drivers on my older oc are definitely older. and the os is olso different older pc runs win 10 home and newer pc win 10 pro both 64bit

Which version of Windows 10 are you running, is it the same on both machines? I don't mean e.g. 64 bit, I mean which version number?